Crime Epstein List drop is in 3... 2... 1.... Tomorrow.

[sickc0d3r]

Shows just how little actual accountability there is in the administration, that they can simply redact releases to this degree without giving the reasons for the redaction and still hold so many documents back "for later release". That's despite Trump signing into law the bill that demands they release them all by now and give specific reasons for every redaction.
Why even bother?
"Transparency Act" my arse.

Thank our partisan legislators who would never impeach one of their own, and our DOJ’s policy of not charging a sitting president, and SCOTUS for making him immune if they did anyway (ultimately subject to SCOTUS discretion of course).

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

inb4 "Trump was a victim of Epstein, which is why we had to redact his name"

He was a secret agent

 

[PEB]

The funniest part about this is the fact that Clinton and Larry Summers are actively being thrown under the bus by the Congressional Democrats.

Most of Clinton's allies in the party are either dead or retired, and a lot of other Democratic insiders always hated him.

I always felt he was a bullsh#ter getting rid of corporations ability not to be taxed till they issued shares to employees Clinton did that one. You would get employee stock that would be issued yearly to you he took that away. If companies did it companies would be taxed on the date they issued the shares not the date they would transfer them.
Another NAFTA started the job losses and boosted Republicans.

 

[PEB]

 

[Andy Capp]

The worst part to me is how rotten every US administration is.

I can't stand Trump. I'd love to see him in prison. But you can't tell me Obama didn't know about Clinton being implicated in the Epstein files? He and Biden willingly hid this information from the public as well. Heck, Epstein plead guilty to state charges back in 2006 and even then there was ample evidence that he was running a sex trafficking ring. I'm sure this DOJ investigation started under George Bush, and even he didn't do anything.

As far as I'm concerned, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden are all guilty of sweeping this under the rug. And it's disgusting.

I'm not so sure about that. I think there's evidence to plausibly suggest people in the Justice Department, particuarly in Florida, were covering things up. See my earlier post about the first time Epstein was arrested. 60 charges against him went poof and instead he served 12 months of a 18 month sentence during which he was allowed to go to work each day.

Does this sound like something Bush or Obama would have been briefed about?
"2008. June 30: Epstein pleads guilty to state charges of solicitation of prostitution and of solicitation of prostitution with a minor under the age of 18 — and is sentenced to 18 months in a minimum-security facility."

I can't see why any president would necessarily be briefed about such a thing. That first case agaist Epstein was done and dusted before Obama even took office. After that, accusations from victims surfaced here and there but I still don't think it would be anything that would necessitate Obama becoming involved.

Further, during Biden's term, investigations into Epstein's finances were ongoing, and it's at least plausible to suggest they didn't want to compromise them by making a public show of what they had--not saying I agree with that decision but there is some justification for it, however flimsy it may be.

 

[Alpha_T83]

I'm not so sure about that. I think there's evidence to plausibly suggest people in the Justice Department, particuarly in Florida, were coveringt things up. See my earlier post about the first time Epstein was arrested. 60 charges against him went poof and instead he served 12 months of a 18 month sentence during which he was allowed to go to work each day.

Does this sound like something Bush or Obama would have been briefed about?
"2008. June 30: Epstein pleads guilty to state charges of solicitation of prostitution and of solicitation of prostitution with a minor under the age of 18 — and is sentenced to 18 months in a minimum-security facility."

I can't see why any president would necessarily be briefed about such a thing. That first case agaist Epstein was done and dusted before Obama even took office. After that, accusations from victims surfaced here and there but I still don't think it would be anything that would necessitate Obama becoming involved.

Further, during Biden's term, investigations into Epstein's finances were ongoing, and it's at least plausible to suggest they didn't want to compromise them by making a public show of what they had--not saying I agree with that decision but there is some justification for it, however flimsy it may be.

FBI Investigation with dates going back to 2003:

https://www.justice.gov/multimedia/Freedom%20of%20Information%20Act%20%28FOIA%29/Federal%20Bureau%20of%20Investigation%20%28FBI%29/Epstein%20Part%2002.pdf

There is no way the DOJ was unaware of this. And this DOJ document is basically a confession that they were suppressing the Epstein investigation, and were caught red handed by a Miami Herald journalist: https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/press-release/file/1336416/dl?inline=

On November 28, 2018, however, the Miami Herald published an extensive investigative report about state and federal criminal investigations initiated more than 12 years earlier into allegations that Epstein had coerced girls into engaging in sexual activity with him at his Palm Beach estate.

After the Miami Herald published its investigative report on November 28, 2018, U.S. Senator Ben Sasse, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Oversight, Agency Action, Federal Rights and Federal Courts, sent a December 3, 2018 letter to OPR, citing the Miami Herald’s report and requesting that OPR “open an investigation into the instances identified in this reporting of possible misconduct by Department of Justice attorneys.”

This is their version of a confession that they were suppressing the Epstein files and were caught red handed. But rather than attempt a further cover-up, they just resigned themselves to the fact that this was not going away, and moved forward. Within 8 months they had somehow managed to go through Congress, open & complete their investigation, and then arrest + charge Epstein. You don't complete these types of investigations in 8 months unless you already have an investigation ongoing. And my guess is the DOJ had started their own investigation as early as 2008, and it was likely suppressed when they discovered that powerful politicians & political donors were implicated.

Let's not do what Trump supporters are doing and defend Democrats when they are obviously guilty. We should do better, and just admit that Obama likely suppressed the Epstein investigation. It implicated Bill Clinton among others -- probably including political donors to Obama's own campaigns. The Democrat party did not want these prominent politicians & donors to be disgraced. They also wanted Hillary Clinton to be able to run for President in 2017.

I'm the biggest cheerleader you'll find for sending Trump to prison, for defending Ukraine, for defending the ideals of democracy and freedom... but I just can't turn a blind eye to the obvious fact that there has been systemic corruption in the US system which has been suppressing the Epstein investigation going back 20 years.

 

[Andy Capp]

FBI Investigation with dates going back to 2003:

https://www.justice.gov/multimedia/Freedom%20of%20Information%20Act%20%28FOIA%29/Federal%20Bureau%20of%20Investigation%20%28FBI%29/Epstein%20Part%2002.pdf

There is no way the DOJ was unaware of this. And this DOJ document is basically a confession that they were suppressing the Epstein investigation, and were caught red handed by a Miami Herald journalist: https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/press-release/file/1336416/dl?inline=



This is their version of a confession that they were suppressing the Epstein files and were caught red handed. But rather than attempt a further cover-up, they just resigned themselves to the fact that this was not going away, and moved forward. Within 8 months they had somehow managed to go through Congress, open & complete their investigation, and then arrest + charge Epstein. You don't complete these types of investigations in 8 months unless you already have an investigation ongoing. And my guess is the DOJ had started their own investigation as early as 2008, and it was likely suppressed when they discovered that powerful politicians & political donors were implicated.

Let's not do what Trump supporters are doing and defend Democrats when they are obviously guilty. We should do better, and just admit that Obama likely suppressed the Epstein investigation. It implicated Bill Clinton among others -- probably including political donors to Obama's own campaigns. The Democrat party did not want these prominent politicians & donors to be disgraced. They also wanted Hillary Clinton to be able to run for President in 2017.

I'm the biggest cheerleader you'll find for sending Trump to prison, for defending Ukraine, for defending the ideals of democracy and freedom... but I just can't turn a blind eye to the obvious fact that there has been systemic corruption in the US system which has been suppressing the Epstein investigation going back 20 years.

I'm not even sure you actually read my post because I said, "I think there's evidence to plausibly suggest people in the Justice Department, particuarly in Florida, were covering things up," and you replied as though telling me the DOJ was covering things up is news to me. Now, tell me, who was in office from 2000 to 2008 and where do the Democrats come into the picture? [Edit:] this was done at the state level in Florida. And Trump put the prosecutor in charge at the time in his cabinet in 2017.

Hell, even the document you linked to skips from around 2009 up to 2017.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Probably the word “inferring.” I think you meant to say “implying.” The speaker implies, the listener infers.

I think it can be used the way he used it. From Websters:


: SUGGEST, HINT
Are you inferring I'm incompetent?

 

[Blayt7hh]

The worst part to me is how rotten every US administration is.

I can't stand Trump. I'd love to see him in prison. But you can't tell me Obama didn't know about Clinton being implicated in the Epstein files? He and Biden willingly hid this information from the public as well. Heck, Epstein plead guilty to state charges back in 2006 and even then there was ample evidence that he was running a sex trafficking ring. I'm sure this DOJ investigation started under George Bush, and even he didn't do anything.

As far as I'm concerned, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden are all guilty of sweeping this under the rug. And it's disgusting.

I think that’s a little harsh. It’s entirely possible Bush and Obama were never made aware of it. It was an investigation that didn’t go anywhere at the time. I’m sure the DOJ does plenty that the president never hears about.

By the time Biden was in office it had become a national scandal of course so he has no excuse.

 

[Alpha_T83]

I think that’s a little harsh. It’s entirely possible Bush and Obama were never made aware of it. It was an investigation that didn’t go anywhere at the time. I’m sure the DOJ does plenty that the president never hears about.

By the time Biden was in office it had become a national scandal of course so he has no excuse.

The FBI have admitted that as early as 2003 there are FBI documents investigating the accusations of Epstein victims. In 2005-2006 Epstein was facing Florida State charges to which he pled guilty.

There are Epstein victims accusing Bill Clinton among others of being abusers in Epstein's sex trafficking ring. Do you really believe that George Bush would not have been made aware of this between 2005-2008 when victims started getting more vocal?

I mean if you're that much of an optimist, then bravo man. But I'm too much of a realist. And if George W. Bush knew, then Obama knew. And if Bill Clinton is indeed one of the Epstein clients/abusers, then you have 30 years worth of US administrations that are complicit in attempting to cover this up and keep it from the public.

The only reason the DOJ even prosecuted Epstein was because the Miami Herald uncovered *something* that was never made public and threatened to publish it in 2018. That resulted in Congress taking action, and the DOJ prosecuting Epstein. Do you really believe that the Miami Herald figured out something the FBI/DOJ couldn't in the 13 years between 2005 and 2018? And then somehow the DOJ put together an investigation in less than 8 months, that they couldn't put together in the previous 13 years? That is not a credible story.

 

[Alpha_T83]

I'm not even sure you actually read my post because I said, "I think there's evidence to plausibly suggest people in the Justice Department, particuarly in Florida, were covering things up," and you replied as though telling me the DOJ was covering things up is news to me. Now, tell me, who was in office from 2000 to 2008 and where do the Democrats come into the picture? [Edit:] this was done at the state level in Florida. And Trump put the prosecutor in charge at the time in his cabinet in 2017.

Hell, even the document you linked to skips from around 2009 up to 2017.

Sorry if I misread your post.

But yes, I agree with your implication that George W Bush also participated in the cover-up. I find it impossible to believe that Epstein victims were accusing Bill Clinton among others of being Epstein's clients/abusers, and George W. Bush was somehow unaware of this fact.

And the gap in the documents from 2009 to 2017 just makes it look like Obama ordered it shelved and said "I don't want this linked to me in any way, make it go away."

IMO the Epstein victims' accusations against Bill Clinton are accurate, and that he abused some of Epstein's sex trafficking victims. If all of this is true, it means 30 years worth of US administrations have been complicit in attempting to cover this up. That's a condemnation of the entire US political system. What else have they been covering up?

I hope Trump gets exposed here and becomes a lame duck president, and I hope the Epstein files eventually see the full light of day. Whoever was involved, no one should be above the law.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Wow if that's a victim that sack of shit definitely got off too light.

 

[syct23]

Wow if that's a victim that sack of shit definitely got off too light.

Could any of these kids be family members visiting rich uncle file by chance?

 

[Kung Fu Kowboy]

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

I'm not even sure you actually read my post because I said, "I think there's evidence to plausibly suggest people in the Justice Department, particuarly in Florida, were covering things up," and you replied as though telling me the DOJ was covering things up is news to me. Now, tell me, who was in office from 2000 to 2008 and where do the Democrats come into the picture? [Edit:] this was done at the state level in Florida. And Trump put the prosecutor in charge at the time in his cabinet in 2017.

Hell, even the document you linked to skips from around 2009 up to 2017.

looks like he did

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Could any of these kids be family members visiting rich uncle file by chance?

Without any context all we can do is speculate.

 

[syct23]

Without any context all we can do is speculate.

And there goes your court case..

 

[Alpha_T83]

I don't think he read anything.

I did and I replied.

He thinks "I don't know why any president would be briefed on this" and I re-iterated that I think this is flat wrong.

Do you really believe George W Bush wouldn't be made aware of an FBI/DOJ investigation in which sex trafficking victims are telling the FBI that Bill Clinton sexually abused them? I think you have to be naive to believe that.

And he implied that George W would know if anyone, but then suggested the investigation was "dusted" by the time Obama came along. I also disagree. Why would the investigation be dusted with so much evidence? And if there was a cover-up, do you really believe Obama wasn't aware of it? Again, IMO you have to be naive to believe this.

I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but way too many democrat supporters are sticking their heads in the sand, pretending the democrats were clueless.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

And there goes your court case..

Wut?

 

[syct23]

Wut?

Nothing you fool,

Let me have my fun.

Move along…