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Ephedra Extract v. Ephedrine

Discussion in 'Dieting / Supplement Discussion' started by anaconda, Jun 28, 2008.

  1. MikeMartial Black Belt

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  2. anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    In other words, no. I'd imagine the dose would have to be fairly high, but anything that inhibits muscle contraction preWO would be counter-productive, be it at the CNS or localized level.
     
  4. anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    ok thats what I was thinking as well. I missed the first part. I guess I'll have to find some pure ephedrine online somewhere. Thanks.

    For anyone interested, Ive also read some negative effects of taking yohimbine hcl with the EC stack:

     
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    As which is why I said don't do it:) It's always best to find a item in it's pure form and combine things yourself.
     
  6. Brent Schermerhorn Green Belt Professional Fighter

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    So, im not against anyone using anything BUT this S*** (eph) is all tested for in MMA in the US right?
     
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    Not 100% positive, but I would assume so.
     
  8. anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    NSAC:

     
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    dude your gonna fuck yourself up, ephedrine restricts the blood vessels and arginine expands them.
     
  10. anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    supplementwarehouse.com has a whole bunch of ephedra products, including old products with original formulas that are expired if anyone is interested.
     
  11. Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    So I take it yohimbine + caffeine and ephedrine + caffeine is ok, but never the twaine shall meet
     
  12. anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    thats what I understand. The negative effects outweigh the positive benefits.

    the long thread on bb.com (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316758&page=8) has tons of good info.
     
  13. anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    oh and if anyone wants pure ephedrine (no guafinesen!), ElitenetPharmacy Home Page and SND Online both sell it. Ive seen some good reviews for elitenet.

    I have heard negative things about taking guaf, and in general I dont like the idea of taking extra crap unnecessarily. Especially at those doses. Cheaper too.

    Edit: I would stay away from SND. Go for elitenet.
     
  14. Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    Thanks for the BB link.
    I have loads of yohimbine (about 9 grams) and Ephedrine from SND actually kicking about so I was thinking of putting them together. Seems I shouldn't

    I quoted this
     
  15. anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    yeah a lot of people did recommend cycling between the two, which would actually prolong any cutting cycle without sacrificing efficacy.

    The most interesting thing I found though (not sure if it was that thread or another one) was that it is not necessary to cycle ephedrine actually. Apparently, as time goes on, although the stimulant/appetite suppression effects might wear off, the thermogenic/fat burning properties actually increase! Some people talked about taking ephedrine for months and months.
     
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    Thanks for the links, anaconda. Much appreciated.
     
  17. Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    Skimming through I saw that from a few people

    Interesting prospect. I usually just use ephedrine as a pick me up, but since I do actually need to cut some weight these days I might try it for a few months on the trot to see what happens.
    Problem is the caffeine will loose its effectiveness
     
  18. anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    also there may be a risk of dependence, although with smart usage (and goals apart from stimulation) it shouldnt be an issue.

    I bought a bottle of lipo6x a couple of weeks ago and started it, but I dont really like it at all. Makes me too moody, no appetite suppression, and in fact it made me have intense cravings for sugary, carb-laden foods! I'm actually eating worse since I started it than before. So I guess what I'm saying is I dont like yohimbine all that much. Also, the stimulation is weird - sometimes it makes me feel exhausted instead of energized. Anyone ever have experience like that before?

    I just ordered the ephedrine so we'll see how that goes. I used it years ago with success so hopefully my body responds the same way again.
     
  19. anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    no problem - I figure if people are going to use it at least use it without the extra, unnecessary crap. As a tip, if you buy it in the 10mg tablets you get an extra 1000 mg for the same price (600 x 10mg vs. 200 x 25mg for $69.99 CA) and you can control your dose better that way too.
     
  20. Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    I ordered 200 30mg doses and they gave me 700 10mg doses because they didn't have any 30's left
     

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