Crime Enormous amount of fraud, waste and abuse in medicare medicaid

[MrShady]

What a weird single issue to cherry pick.

Are you ignorant or being a troll? It addresses several issues all at once, including crime, taxpayers funds, waste, and abuse...all of the things that DOGE is running on.

You reschedule cannabis, decriminalize it and leave it to the states.

Suddenly what happens?

The BILLIONS in cannabis enforcement can be SAVED by taxpayers, and REALLOCATED to the drug that Trump and MAGA are crying about - FENTANYL.

The blackmarket and CARTELS suddenly lose lots of market share, addressing the issue of CRIME plaguing the country.

MILLIONS of americans now have access to SAFE and REGULATED cannabis, instead of relying on PILLS (thanks Big Pharma...where's RFK Jr.??)

DEA needs to be audited. Because quite evidently, from the fentanyl epidemic, they're doing a piss poor job no?

 

[MrShady]

"There is too much fraud and abuse!!!11" - people who don't give a f*ck that Rick Scott is not only not in prison, but in a key position in their own party

#386: 06-26-03 LARGEST HEALTH CARE FRAUD CASE IN U.S. HISTORY SETTLED HCA INVESTIGATION NETS RECORD TOTAL OF $1.7 BILLION

 

[gspieler]

I have no doubt there is fraud, but taking away people's medical care is not the way to attack the problem. There needs to be systemic change. Just saying there is fraud then making sweeping cuts without regard to what you are cutting is preposterous.

Nah, bro. If you want to make an omlette, you gotta break several million eggs. You need to stop looking at the issue through the lens of having even a modicum of ethics and sensibility.

 

[Rod1]

#386: 06-26-03 LARGEST HEALTH CARE FRAUD CASE IN U.S. HISTORY SETTLED HCA INVESTIGATION NETS RECORD TOTAL OF $1.7 BILLION

So the system works? weird.

 

[MrShady]

So the system works? weird.

If you want him as a United States Senator representing your state after that fiasco, I guess it does.

Commit fraud = promotion in the GOP.

MAGA

 

[MMA IAN]

I have no doubt there is fraud, but taking away people's medical care is not the way to attack the problem. There needs to be systemic change. Just saying there is fraud then making sweeping cuts without regard to what you are cutting is preposterous.

The large-scale abuse is on the doctors/hospital end, not the individual. I don't think investigating that kind of fraud equates to taking away people's medical care.

 

[Crazy Source]

The large-scale abuse is on the doctors/hospital end, not the individual. I don't think investigating that kind of fraud equates to taking away people's medical care.

100%. Overcharging and charging for procedures/medical supplies that weren't even given/used is probably the bulk of the fraud. But how do you attack that? It's not wholesale cuts to Medicare/Medicaid, and that is EXACTLY what Trump, the GOP, and DOGE are angling for. They are flooding the zone with reasons to cut programs. This has fuckall to do with fraud.

 

[Sinister]

The large-scale abuse is on the doctors/hospital end, not the individual. I don't think investigating that kind of fraud equates to taking away people's medical care.

How dare you insist that the capitalist class commit the fraud and not the poors!! Where is your logic at? It's the poors who NEED the fraud, thus, they are the only class capable of such widespread abuse!!11

 

[HomeCheese]

Why say this then and say there's no widespread fraud now?

I would say there is very little fraud, waste and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid. There are a lot of controls and there are whistle blower laws that greatly reward people who turn in fraud schemes. I think whistle blowers can get like three times the fraud count as a reward for reporting it.

The medicare overhead is something like 4%, meaning that out of every $100, $96 goes to medical bills and only $4 to administration. Some private insurance companies it's like 16%. Medicare is actually VERY efficient.

 

[Sinister]

I would say there is very little fraud, waste and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid. There are a lot of controls and there are whistle blower laws that greatly reward people who turn in fraud schemes. I think whistle blowers can get like three times the fraud count as a reward for reporting it.

The medicare overhead is something like 4%, meaning that out of every $100, $96 goes to medical bills and only $4 to administration. Some private insurance companies it's like 16%. Medicare is actually VERY efficient.

You'll never convince anti-Government rubes of Government efficiency and private fraud because their media diet consists of conspiracy theories and capitalist projection. They could be being actively defrauded by private insurance and will still claim it's better than anything Government could do

 

[Rod1]

If you want him as a United States Senator representing your state after that fiasco, I guess it does.

Commit fraud = promotion in the GOP.

MAGA

Yup, i was just pointing out that these government agencies do have systems in order to find and root out fraud.

Systems that are conveniently being cut down by DOGE

 

[terrapin]

Why say this then and say there's no widespread fraud now?

It's almost like Trump isn't going for the actual fraud and abuse and is just gutting the program in specific ways so they can later say that it's inefficient and cut funding for it completely.

There's no excuse for how absolutely stupid and idiotic Trump supporters are. Your idiocy and stupidity has become a danger to the world.

 

[HomeCheese]

You'll never convince anti-Government rubes of Government efficiency and private fraud because their media diet consists of conspiracy theories and capitalist projection. They could be being actively defrauded by private insurance and will still claim it's better than anything Government could do

So true. The lack of understanding of the healthcare system is amazing and the public has no idea how really fucked up it is. Medicare is actually one of the most efficient payers out there.

 

[Loiosh]

"There is too much fraud and abuse!!!11" - people who don't give a f*ck that Rick Scott is not only not in prison, but in a key position in their own party

Their president was barred from running charities because he defrauded a charity for children with cancer. He was fined twenty-five million dollars for running a fraudulent university.

None of these idiots cares about fraud.

 

[jefferz]

If you want him as a United States Senator representing your state after that fiasco, I guess it does.

Commit fraud = promotion in the GOP.

MAGA

It’s Florida. Look at how many times Alcee Hastings got elected.

 

[MMA IAN]

100%. Overcharging and charging for procedures/medical supplies that weren't even given/used is probably the bulk of the fraud. But how do you attack that? It's not wholesale cuts to Medicare/Medicaid, and that is EXACTLY what Trump, the GOP, and DOGE are angling for. They are flooding the zone with reasons to cut programs. This has fuckall to do with fraud.

I guess I'm an optimist. I'd be disappointed by blanket cuts. Hopefully it's more like expanding and putting a turbo on whatever pattern recognition they already have active to detect fraud. I have some insight into medical fraud in Australia and its bonkers. America would be far worse.

How dare you insist that the capitalist class commit the fraud and not the poors!! Where is your logic at? It's the poors who NEED the fraud, thus, they are the only class capable of such widespread abuse!!11

Not sure why you're acting like I've suggested only poor people commit fraud. It's a human thing not a class thing. Doesn't matter who does it, it affects all of us when programs are abused. Investigate it and catch as many as you can.

 

[curryjunkie]

100%. Overcharging and charging for procedures/medical supplies that weren't even given/used is probably the bulk of the fraud. But how do you attack that? It's not wholesale cuts to Medicare/Medicaid, and that is EXACTLY what Trump, the GOP, and DOGE are angling for. They are flooding the zone with reasons to cut programs. This has fuckall to do with fraud.

its why doctors ask for half a dozen tests if you go to hospital with a fairly mild and obvious ailment, they can charge the fuck out of the system. very little fraud is on the patients part, its pharma companies price gouging, insurance companies , and hospital administrations.

 

[Sinister]

I guess I'm an optimist. I'd be disappointed by blanket cuts. Hopefully it's more like expanding and putting a turbo on whatever pattern recognition they already have active to detect fraud. I have some insight into medical fraud in Australia and its bonkers. America would be far worse.



Not sure why you're acting like I've suggested only poor people commit fraud. It's a human thing not a class thing. Doesn't matter who does it, it affects all of us when programs are abused. Investigate it and catch as many as you can.

It was sarcasm. Anyone who thinks medicare and medicaid are easy to defraud from the patient's end has never applied for either.

 

[cincymma79]

Why say this then and say there's no widespread fraud now?

That was only true then and not now because trump

 

[Sinister]

That was only true then and not now because trump

Because its absolutely incomprehensible to you lot that they were talking about waste, fraud, and abuse from the end of the medical institutions, and not the patients. So the conservatives are using this as a false equivalency.