End all GOAT Discussion

[BowserJr]

men lie
women lie
delusional fans lie and live in their fantasy world

numbers dont lie

Then Rickson is GOAT

 

[BowserJr]

This is why I hate the p4p discussion. If MM blew up to 6'5 and 250 lbs he ain't moving the same and his style would be radically different. It's always been ridiculous to compare fighters like that without weighted measurements and what would those measurements be? Pure speculation.

Thanks for the bump. And you are correct

 

[BowserJr]

32 fights? 15 of his first 20 fights ended in round 1 and were against hacks. I fully concede Fedor has some great wins, you seem incapable of hearing an argument that negates your opinion that Fedor was past his prime when he was beaten 3x consecutively. He was not past his prime at 33 - 34 due to having 32 fights. Many of the 32 fights were against scrubs that lasted 1 round.

You need to lighten up brother, I see your posts were cleaned up by the moderator. No reason to get so defensive, chill a bit. Fedor is great.....feel better?

As I just told someone else. The fights themselves arent what add the most mileage its the camps. 32 training camps is no joke.

With tournaments there are less camps but the wear and tear fighting multiple times in a night is exponential. The training back then was more brutal too

 

[BowserJr]

Your C is laughable

Penn above Jones

Be serious for a moment

Jones is an athlete and competitor. If he was a true fighter he'd have fought Sonnen on short notice

 

[BowserJr]

Muhammad Ali is not consensus boxing goat lol! You cleary dumb and don't know nothing about fighting. What you said about not counting flyweights because of their size already shows that your knowledge about martial arts is the same as mine about the peruvian culinary lol!

As the person who revived this thread said. If MM were 265 6 ft he would not move the same or be able to do the same things. Simple physics, son

 

[BowserJr]

Charles Oliveira captured gold on his 38 went undefeated from his 30 bout he fought nothing but the best all of his career, same cant be said for Fedor.
Sean Strickland captured Gold with the same amount of bouts at the age Fedor suddenly became out of his prime.
Michael Bisping captured gold 35+ bouts in and defended at 37yrs old
Dan Henderson went on a great run after losing to Anderson Silva and captured Gold in his 34 pro bout in Strikeforce.
Rampage Jackson won the UFC title on his 32nd bout.
Jiri won the UFC title on his 32nd pro bout.

Which of those was in Their absolute prime?... oh yeah none

Just to take a random example out of your list. Arguing that bisping was in his absolute prime with 1 eye, when he won the belt and essentially completely fell off losing to mini MWs in consecutive fights shortly thereafter is comical

 

[volcom5]

Which of those was in Their absolute prime?... oh yeah none

Just to take a random example out of your list. Arguing that bisping was in his absolute prime with 1 eye, when he won the belt and essentially completely fell off losing to mini MWs in consecutive fights shortly thereafter is comical

So tell me, when was Charles Oliveira “absolute prime”? Just because fighters had losses does that mean they never hit a “absolute prime.”?

Just answer me that when was Charles Oliveira absolute prime?

 

[BowserJr]

So tell me, when was Charles Oliveira “absolute prime”? Just because fighters had that mean they never hit a “absolute prime.”?

Just answer me that when was Charles Oliveira absolute prime?

Looking at his record it looks like he was 40 fights in when his peak ended.

Now here is the original thing I said that started the back n forth with the other guy before you jumped in as soon as you saw my AV and got hot n bothered

Name some MMA fighters that are in their absolute prime after 32 fights... if ypu find any at all, how many are HW?

So congrats dude, You found 1! You can go jack off now. Good for you!

The point still stands. How many are HW?

Looks like a resounding 0. Because the head trauma at HW is far worse than any other weight class.

Not only that but Charles had 8 losses at that point.

So how many fighters go over 32 fights and are in their absolute prime? So far, 1

How many of those are HW?
0

How many are undefeated for over 32 fights and still in their prime?
0

How many are HW?
0

 

[volcom5]

Looking at his record it looks like he was 40 fights in when his peak ended.

Now here is the original thing I said that started the back n forth with the other guy before you jumped in as soon as you saw my AV and got hot n bothered



So congrats dude, You found 1! You can go jack off now. Good for you!

The point still stands. How many are HW?

Looks like a resounding 0. Because the head trauma at HW is far worse than any other weight class.

Not only that but Charles had 8 losses at that point.

So how many fighters go over 32 fights and are in their absolute prime? So far, 1

How many of those are HW?
0

How many are undefeated for over 32 fights and still in their prime?
0

How many are HW?
0

Strength of competition matters, that something you fail to admit when it comes to Fedor. You like to use numbers, but it’s in the details. A Fighter like GSP who ends his career at 28 fighting nothing but the best is far more impressive than saying someone is 32bouts at their peak but fought countless opponents who did not belong in the same ring or category as them.

When fighters are fighting S tier competition back to back on a consistent basis that is more impressive and more harsh on one’s career. Fedor benefitted and got the record number because of said competition.

You know another fighter or HW will never reach a called “32 undefeated streak”? Because most HW’s are horrible nowadays, but when HW was at its best when Strikeforce and UFC merged, it the best fighting the best, modern figthters are not fighting cans in between title defenses and if they did, you folks would shit on them, but when others point out some of Fedors competition you find ways to extent that goal post or flat out create bullshit.

Being undefeated sounds good and all but strength of comp matters.

 

[BowserJr]

Strength of competition matters, that something you fail to admit when it comes to Fedor. You like to use numbers, but it’s in the details. A Fighter like GSP who ends his career at 28 fighting nothing but the best is far more impressive than saying someone is 32bouts at their peak but fought countless opponents who did not belong in the same ring or category as them.

When fighters are fighting S tier competition back to back on a consistent basis that is more impressive and more harsh on one’s career. Fedor benefitted and got the record number because of said competition.

You know another fighter or HW will never reach a called “32 undefeated streak”? Because most HW’s are horrible nowadays, but when HW was at its best when Strikeforce and UFC merged, it the best fighting the best, modern figthters are not fighting cans in between title defenses and if they did, you folks would shit on them, but when others point out some of Fedors competition you find ways to extent that goal post or flat out create bullshit.

Being undefeated sounds good and all but strength of comp matters.

Of course strength of schedule matters. And Fedor faced the same number if not more ATGs and top 10s compared to JBJ.

Sure he fought cans but he also faced top tiers many times and he did it while being the smaller opponent nearly every time and in a weight class in which 90% of the guys have death touch or near it.

That counts for a lot.

JBJ meanwhile has always had a reach and height advantage.

GSP was always the same size or bigger except of Bisping

 

[muaythaibeast]

Regardless of how you parse out the criteria....GSP wins all GOAT talks. Fedor was beat in his prime multiple times, once by Hendo who fought at 185. If PEDS are not considered it goes like this:

1. GSP
2. Jones
3. Silva
4. Fedor

If PEDS are considered, then:

1. GSP
2. Fedor
3 - 5 debatable.

A guy definitely isn’t in his prime in his 34th professional MMA fight, 11 years into his career. GSP and Silva both lost to absolute nobodies at their peak, which is something Fedor, and as much as I dislike him, Jones never did.

 

[BowserJr]

A guy definitely isn’t in his prime in his 34th professional MMA fight, 11 years into his career. GSP and Silva both lost to absolute nobodies at their peak, which is something Fedor, and as much as I dislike him, Jones never did.

I dont get why the concept of 34 fights/camps in 11 years being a crazy fight schedule is so hard for people to understand.

Jones barley has 31 fights in 17 years lol

 

[joy2day]

The GOAT discussion ended a while back.

The old Sherdog GOAT poll had GSP the clear winner.

The updated Sherdog poll in the last year or so confirmed the GOAT...

It's a little unfair because he was given his power by aliens, but he is still the world's greatest martial artist!

 

[BowserJr]

Who did Fedor beat that was great and in their prime?

Nog, CC, Herring, AA, Tim (near prime 1 fight removed from UFC belt fight).

He beat every major HW champ from his era and the previous, era except Barnett, Ricco, Randy who he did not fight. All of them lost to guys he finished

 

[Prazeres]

So how many fighters go over 32 fights and are in their absolute prime? So far, 1

I would add Overeem who in his 32 fight was facing Ricardo Arona and he would keep fighting at a high level for at least ten years after that. This despite having if anything far more wear and tear than Fedor because of the amount of time he got knocked out and the fact that he had to adapt to a roidless body after a certain point.

On the topic of heavyweights, Oleinik best streak, where he finished 11 guys in a row, including Cro Cop, Jeff Monson and his first two UFC opponents came between his 52th and 63rd fights, 3 years removed from his 32th fight.

 

[SuperAlly]

Jones is an athlete and competitor. If he was a true fighter he'd have fought Sonnen on short notice

In no world is BJ Penn a better fighter than Jones

 

[RoyCisneros]

I gotta give it to Fedor. part of me thinks he was lucky fighting the fighters he fought when he fought them. and Fedor seemingly had a lot of holes in his game, however the man got the job done. I can't fault him for it.

Jon Jones record is overrated imo, however he has looked great against everyone he's ever been matched up against. However he is a cheater so I can't give it to him.

GSP has the most impressive record IMO, however I think he got lucky against Jake Shields, and I think Nick Diaz would have gotten him had they fought sooner.


imo.

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Jones

 

[BowserJr]

In no world is BJ Penn a better fighter than Jones

Jones is barely even a fighter. He's an athlete/competitor in a combat sport. That's it

 

[BowserJr]

I would add Overeem who in his 32 fight was facing Ricardo Arona and he would keep fighting at a high level for at least ten years after that. This despite having if anything far more wear and tear than Fedor because of the amount of time he got knocked out and the fact that he had to adapt to a roidless body after a certain point.

On the topic of heavyweights, Oleinik best streak, where he finished 11 guys in a row, including Cro Cop, Jeff Monson and his first two UFC opponents came between his 52th and 63rd fights, 3 years removed from his 32th fight.

Both good call outs but both were far from undefeated at that point and both were not severley undersized in their division

While Reem did enter his prime after 32 fights I think we all know that he was on a pure horse meat diet at the time

 

[PaulieVegas27]

Agree, let's officially end all GOAT discussions. They're dumb. There is simply no way to subjectively prove who is the GOAT, and even if there were, does it somehow diminish everyone else's careers because one guy/girl may have been a little better? Possibly even in a different weight class and/or on a different era?