Elections Elizabeth Warren likely is running for President

[kpt018]

My issue with that is you can have an ancestor, but you are not Native American. You shouldn't be adding it as part of your brand and delivering that message to institutions. You can't be 1/32 of something six generations ago, at best, and claim it in any relevance.

Why not? Honest question.

Just sharing a personal fact (probably for no relevant reason) but I am in the same exact boat as Warren. I'm mostly Irish, German and Polish but we found out that I have a Native American Ancestor when my grandmother hired pros do a background search on our family history.

I never identify as NA but quite frankly I don't identify strongly with anything other than being an American and a New Yorker. I identify with my profession, being a dad and a husband, being an athlete (aging one at that) but I don't think ancestry is important at all to my life. But I do totally get why it is for a lot of people. I just don't think claiming to be a NA when you have that in your DNA is as big a deal as people are making it out to be.

I do agree with this part though. On paper I think she is arguably one of if not the best overall candidates on both sides which I think I've argued here before. I don't think it should be brought up at all during the campaign (but I am sure someone will). Though it is hard for me to look past someone so blatantly white having laid claims to being Native American, when they seem so obviously white. Or for her to say she had no idea it was being reference or mentioned just sounds completely bogus altogether. Last thing I want to see is another person on a microphone telling half truths.

Awesome. Maybe I read too far into your post earlier.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Hmm, I think we disagree on how much you'd run with it or not. I am sure people can believe a heritage if they are being told the stories of people. I don't think it's something you should run with unless you're looking for something. If I'm a white male, I don't think I can run with hispanic in any way unless I knew some hispanic family members. I see it the same in her regard.

How much has she really run with it? She seems to have put it on a few forms decades ago and she wrote a Native cuisine cookbook or something. Its been mainly Trump teasing her about being Pocahontas.

 

[Trotsky]

Central issue are the key words in that statement. No; they wont do it on stage, but surrogates will be sure to bring it up before and after the debates.

Okay, so you're saying that Hillary/Bernie surrogates brought up the Benghazi/emails/porn narratives outside the debates? Because....well, that's not true. Neither camp touched those issues.

Remember how Lewis said he never saw/met Bernie during civil rights stuff, but he'd met Bill and Hillary? I member.....

He said he'd never met him during the Civil Rights Movement. Which was in the 50s and 60s. Do you think that picture is from the 50s or 60s?

The only picture that exists of them from that era has them about 20 feet apart. So I'll trust that Lewis genuinely didn't meet or didn't recall meeting him during that time period.

 

[HereticBD]

Man, posts like this are really depressing. I like your posting and it looks like you're thinking through stuff but this shows that bogus hit campaigns actually work. And they don't only work on dummies and people who hold heavy biases but guys like you.

Probably because it's not bogus. She heard somewhere that she was part Native(based on high cheek bones, LOL), and without researching anything, she used it to her advantage politically and professionally.

Intentionally lying may be going a bit far, but she certainly never cared about the truth to it all. The only thing she cared about was using it to claim minority status to give herself bonus points.

 

[Stranger Come Knocking]

Sorry in advance but I didn't read thru the whole thread. Does anyone honestly think she'd have any kind of chance? Dems need a good candidate, come on man. Dems are just as responsible for trump yet they bitch and moan as if it's the other sides fault only. I wonder how many votes were "for trump" vs "not hilldawg"

I'm sure there's a dem everyone can get behind. Stop sending up shitheads.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Yea that's what I was hinting at earlier. But then if you aren't making the claim what is the point of the DNA test fiasco to begin with? It accomplished nothing except add more attention to the matter in a negative light.

She never brought up her heritage in her political life, that I am aware of, until she was asked specifically about it in an interview. That's when she talked about her grandma's stories or whatever and all the poo flinging started from there. The dna test was a response to being accused of lying, and from her perspective the test confirmed her understanding (distant relative), but it failed to satisfy some people's interpretation of her claims.

Anyway, for me she's about as clean as a politician can be. I get people not liking her policies, but I can't imagine anyone who knows the facts disqualifying her from consideration based on something so trivial.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Honestly - I believe she was told she had native heritage, but it's turned into a joke when she posted those dna results. And I find it hard to believe we'd elect someone who's mocked like this, unless they were running against Hillary:

 

[Trotsky]

.....like I said she’s a liar based off the results of her DNA test

So the results of the DNA test which confirm what she actually said - that she had a Native American ancestor - make you believe she's a liar. Presumably just on a hunch of sort. Great stuff.

Probably because it's not bogus. She heard somewhere that she was part Native(based on high cheek bones, LOL), and without researching anything, she used it to her advantage politically and professionally.

Yes, her parents made up recipes and family lore and passed them along to their child because they saw that their child had high cheek bones. You are accurately representing the bases on which she heard she was part-Native.

Intentionally lying may be going a bit far.

Well...duh.

 

[Higus]

Sorry in advance but I didn't read thru the whole thread. Does anyone honestly think she'd have any kind of chance? Dems need a good candidate, come on man. Dems are just as responsible for trump yet they bitch and moan as if it's the other sides fault only. I wonder how many votes were "for trump" vs "not hilldawg"

I'm sure there's a dem everyone can get behind. Stop sending up shitheads.

Why do you think she is not a good candidate?
Also, how are Democrats responsible for Trump?

 

[kpt018]

Probably because it's not bogus. She heard somewhere that she was part Native(based on high cheek bones, LOL), and without researching anything, she used it to her advantage politically and professionally.

Intentionally lying may be going a bit far, but she certainly never cared about the truth to it all. The only thing she cared about was using it to claim minority status to give herself bonus points.

How is she lying if the DNA test proved it to be true?

 

[HereticBD]

How is she lying if the DNA test proved it to be true?

Oh', she's Cherokee?

 

[kpt018]

Honestly - I believe she was told she had native heritage, but it's turned into a joke when she posted those dna results. And I find it hard to believe we'd elect someone who's mocked like this, unless they were running against Hillary:

So anyone on the left who is mocked by the right, regardless of the validity and severity of the claims, are disqualified?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Okay, so you're saying that Hillary/Bernie surrogates brought up the Benghazi/emails/porn narratives outside the debates? Because....well, that's not true. Neither camp touched those issues.



He said he'd never met him during the Civil Rights Movement. Which was in the 50s and 60s. Do you think that picture is from the 50s or 60s?

The only picture that exists of them from that era has them about 20 feet apart. So I'll trust that Lewis genuinely didn't meet or didn't recall meeting him during that time period.

I know how it was worded, but it was a bit vague and Bernie was an organizer for SNCC of which Lewis was Chairman so no one is believing that they never met.

Btw- are you saying that he met Bill and Hillary during the civil rights era? Cause you won't find a picture of them near as close as this one of Bernie in the 60s.

 

[kpt018]

Oh', she's Cherokee?

So the big deal is that the tribe is wrong? Was Trump wrong to call her Pocohantas since that's the wrong tribe?

The last one is not serious, obviously, as I'm mocking this whole thing.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

So anyone on the left who is mocked by the right, regardless of the validity and severity of the claims, are disqualified?

Just call it like I see it. If Trump had to run against anyone except Hillary and at a time when so many wanted to stick the status quo then he wouldn't be in office either.

 

[Trotsky]

I know how it was worded, but it was a bit vague and Bernie was an organizer for SNCC of which Lewis was Chairman so no one is believing that they never met.

I would have no problem believing that they never met, and I certainly have no problem believing John Lewis doesn't recall meeting some field organizer 60 years ago. Anyone seriously trying to ascribe insidious motives to Lewis, who is about as no nonsense a guy who has ever entered politics, was looking to drive a wedge or whine unnecessarily as far as I'm concerned.

Btw- are you saying that he met Bill and Hillary during the civil rights era? Cause you won't find a picture of them near as close as this one of Bernie in the 60s.

No, I'm not. But I think a picture of them 40 feet away has the same value as a picture of then 20 feet away (or a picture of them together 60 years later): absolutely none at all. So I'll trust the word of the persons themselves. If Sanders said they met and Lewis said he didn't remember meeting him, I'll presume that they met and that Lewis doesn't remember it.

 

[HereticBD]

So the big deal is that the tribe is wrong?

The big deal is that she was careless in claiming native status to give herself political points.

And yeah, considering the Cherokee people(the real ones) actually have a problem with it, it's a big deal. You don't care because she's a Liberal. She could've claimed claimed she was black, and you'd be downplaying it all the same.

 

[kpt018]

Just call it like I see it. If Trump had to run against anyone except Hillary and at a time when so many wanted to stick the status quo then he wouldn't be in office either.

It's a pretty bad call. The right will attack any opponent and it's up to us voters to cut through what are real problems with candidates and what's bullshit.

The big deal is that she was careless in claiming native status to give herself political points.

And yeah, considering the Cherokee people(the real ones) actually have a problem with it, it's a big deal. You don't care because she's a Liberal. She could've claimed claimed she was black, and you'd be downplaying it all the same.

What political points did she score? And would the political points have changed by getting the tribe wrong? That's absurd.

I suppose that if I claimed my ancestors where Catholic and lived in Dublin but it turned out they were Protestant and lived Waterford or something that would disqualify me for office in your view and others like you, even if it was a good faith error. Good to know.

 

[kpt018]

I see your point (obviously) but I don't think that's the reasoning though. If anything she lost political points due to this outside of her actual politics themselves.

I think the whole fiasco is clearly a net negative for her, politically. But to be fair the right would make up something else absent the NA thing.

 

[HereticBD]

I see your point (obviously) but I don't think that's the reasoning though. If anything she lost political points due to this outside of her actual politics themselves.

I'm talking about before she wrecked herself with that DNA test. Obviously, it's blown up in her face. She's been using it all the way back to her teaching days, to score bonus points. That's the whole point of the controversy. Like you said, this isn't her just speaking among friends. This is her throwing it out there for years, to gain favor publicly and professionally. That's why it looks bad.