Elite level mma is boring

Hellowhosthat said:
Soccer kicks don't really make that much difference in orgs where they're legal. Grounded knees yes.
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They change the way people fight. No more but-scooting, no more half assed TD attempts without fear of consequences. Yes, after a while, they would not be a major thing.
 
World eater said:
They change the way people fight. No more but-scooting, no more half assed TD attempts without fear of consequences. Yes, after a while, they would not be a major thing.
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I think the knees change the takedowns much more. I don't think anyone really butt scoots in modern day MMA anyway.
 
colorles said:
Soccer kicks certainly do make a difference in actual fights. In fact, watch any random street fight and there is a good chance a soccer kick will come into play at some point. For reference:

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But these aren't highly trained elite MMA fighters. If you watch a lot of RIZIN where they're legal they're not really that effective against good fighters.
 
MMA is like chess: it's methodical, technical, and can only be enjoyed by people with high IQs.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
But these aren't highly trained elite MMA fighters. If you watch a lot of RIZIN where they're legal they're not really that effective against good fighters.
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I know what you are saying. However, my point is that just having the option of soccer kicks and knees to grounded opponents, de-incentivizes a certain type of very unpopular fighting that is so common in modern mma today and is, frankly, holding back the popularity of the sport in America.
 
colorles said:
I know what you are saying. However, my point is that just having the option of soccer kicks and knees to grounded opponents, de-incentivizes a certain type of very unpopular fighting that is so common in modern mma today and is, frankly, holding back the popularity of the sport in America.
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I don't really think it does. They're not effective at all against single or double legs. They would be against butt scooting but who butt scoots in 2025?

Knees I think are because if you get a good sprawl then you can nail a guy with knees but all soccer kicks would do is get them to slide through to their back quicker and you end up with that position with a guy sitting in open guard while another guy kicks his legs.
 
Doctor Grudge said:
so watch non-elite MMA. there's literally more of it than elite MMA. Problem fixed.
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I think it also has to do with fighters coming up these days, have shit gyms. The gym with huge talent like ATT are gone because even they don’t just let anyone come and train, and paying for elite training is not cheap. I think it’s been taking the skill level down quite a bit. Imagine Brice Mitchell if he actually had world class training.

There is just too much shit training places that most fighters go to- to save money
 
Hellowhosthat said:
I don't really think it does. They're not effective at all against single or double legs. They would be against butt scooting but who butt scoots in 2025?

Knees I think are because if you get a good sprawl then you can nail a guy with knees but all soccer kicks would do is get them to slide through to their back quicker and you end up with that position with a guy sitting in open guard while another guy kicks his legs.
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Knees are dangerous for take down attempts regardless - Barbosa vs Dariush and Batista vs Kishev come to mind immediately and those wern't even to grounded opponents. Knees to grounded opponents continues to change how grapplers approach fighting and for the better.

Soccer kicks/stomps I will somewhat agree with you...but they should still be allowed, even if just for finishing fights against already rocked opponents which is where you usually see them implemented. It's fake and lame that fighters should have to pursue a rocked opponent to the ground and try to finish with punches - risking getting submitted in the process or at least giving the opponent a chance to get back into the fight - when, in the real world, soccer kicks and stomps would finish the opponent.
 
colorles said:
Knees are dangerous for take down attempts regardless - Barbosa vs Dariush and Batista vs Kishev come to mind immediately and those wern't even to grounded opponents. Knees to grounded opponents continues to change how grapplers approach fighting and for the better.

Soccer kicks/stomps I will somewhat agree with you...but they should still be allowed, even if just for finishing fights against already rocked opponents which is where you usually see them implemented. It's fake and lame that fighters should have to pursue a rocked opponent to the ground and try to finish with punches - risking getting submitted in the process or at least giving the opponent a chance to get back into the fight - when, in the real world, soccer kicks and stomps would finish the opponent.
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Yeah I can sort of see the point but at the same time I think if a UFC level fighter is rocked enough to get hit by soccer kicks then the fight should be stopped anyway.
 
Thy said:
For people who don't know anything about mma, sure.
Low tier people like low tier stuff.
People who aren't musicians and don't know anything about music like stuff like rap and dance.
Chess is boring to people who are bad at it.
Sex aint great for dudes who lost their weiner from a freak accident with a lawnmower.
Books are boring for people who never learned how to read.
Movies are boring for blind people.
Lemme guess, u like ur steak well done too?
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Them insecurities flooding out bud..
 
colorles said:
Knees are dangerous for take down attempts regardless - Barbosa vs Dariush and Batista vs Kishev come to mind immediately and those wern't even to grounded opponents. Knees to grounded opponents continues to change how grapplers approach fighting and for the better.

Soccer kicks/stomps I will somewhat agree with you...but they should still be allowed, even if just for finishing fights against already rocked opponents which is where you usually see them implemented. It's fake and lame that fighters should have to pursue a rocked opponent to the ground and try to finish with punches - risking getting submitted in the process or at least giving the opponent a chance to get back into the fight - when, in the real world, soccer kicks and stomps would finish the opponent.
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Out of the 1,000s of TD attempts, only a small handful of knees have ever been effective in stopping them.

You're all looking at it wrong too.

Knees aren't going to stop bad takedown attempts. They'll in fact encourage them because the real danger is going to be getting back up.

Following fighters to their guard when they are rocked is low IQ MMA. Your argument that they should or have to is just silly.
 
It's entirely down to the fighter's mindset.

Topuria and Volk are both as elite as they come and have nearly the same general style.

Topuria fights to finish. Is exciting.

Volk fights for points. Is boring.
 
the most exciting era of the sport was when they were still figuring everything out and one guy's skillset could absolutely trump another one's. the skillsets have stabilized now and with everyone more well-rounded you get a whole lot of nullification going on. it has become more boring.

oh for the days of gordeau vs. gracie.
 
Sms_productions713 said:
Highly disagree. Remember when One had shit load of crazy soccer kick knockouts





It’s adds to the drama in a fight that everyone wants to see
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These aren't decent fighters being finished though. You're looking at the ghost of James Mcsweeney there.
 
Tito Tapped said:
Out of the 1,000s of TD attempts, only a small handful of knees have ever been effective in stopping them.

You're all looking at it wrong too.

Knees aren't going to stop bad takedown attempts. They'll in fact encourage them because the real danger is going to be getting back up.

Following fighters to their guard when they are rocked is low IQ MMA. Your argument that they should or have to is just silly.
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brah...well timed knees are the most dangerous thing when it comes to shooting for a take down.

Hellowhosthat said:
These aren't decent fighters being finished though. You're looking at the ghost of James Mcsweeney there.
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It doesn't matter

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colorles said:
brah...well timed knees are the most dangerous thing when it comes to shooting for a take down.



It doesn't matter

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Tbh I'm indifferent to whether they get legalized or not. I just think people would be surprised when there aren't suddenly a load of soccer kicks KOs in the UFC and it's a rarity like an oma plata or something.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Tbh I'm indifferent to whether they get legalized or not. I just think people would be surprised when there aren't suddenly a load of soccer kicks KOs in the UFC and it's a rarity like an oma plata or something.
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I agree with you. But what it is really about is making things harder for wrestlers to fight from their knees like prostitutes and de-incentivizing that sort of mma.
 
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