Elite level mma is boring

[Marko Polo]

Fighters “mixing it up” which means going for a takedown when your opponent is not expecting it, is boring. It gives a break from the action to both men and it’s garbage watching two high level fighters cancel eachother out and waste 3 minutes of a round doing nothing with the commentators trying to justify it to the fans “this is so gruelling… for the people at home this is gruelling”

MMA as an idea is very interesting. You get a boxer and a Muay Thai guy and see which discipline is better. That’s how it started. Now what we’re watching is very far removed from that, it’s mixed martial artist gamers dragging fights out for 25 minutes doing everything they can to avoid taking and seemingly inflicting damage

I think MMA will not survive past its infancy. Boxing is supposed to be a restricted form of fighting, but boxing represents the “fight” the argument between two people even more. Boxing fights are won by attrition, mma matches are won by choices

I’ve watched this sport for 18 years, as soon as I heard it existed I was a fan, but long gone are the days of Chuck Liddell and Anderson Silva. Now all the legit guys are being forced to sit on the sidelines for years like Aspinall, you have women talking absolute rubbish in the booth, and you have cards stacked with nobodies in the Apex

 

[Doctor Grudge]

so watch non-elite MMA. there's literally more of it than elite MMA. Problem fixed.

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

Everyone is afraid to lose. Nobody leaves it out there. No more Chris Lebens or BJ Penn's. Everyone thinks they have to win, at any cost. Even the crowd booing you.

 

[Thy]

For people who don't know anything about mma, sure.
Low tier people like low tier stuff.
People who aren't musicians and don't know anything about music like stuff like rap and dance.
Chess is boring to people who are bad at it.
Sex aint great for dudes who lost their weiner from a freak accident with a lawnmower.
Books are boring for people who never learned how to read.
Movies are boring for blind people.
Lemme guess, u like ur steak well done too?

 

[gosuasus]

Elite MMA is top 3 of every division at best.

Who is elite at

125? Nobody
135? Merab, Umar, maybe Sean or Yan
145? Volk, Max
155? Mak, Arman, Ilia is questionable
170? Shavkat alone
185? Borz alone
205? Ank alone, maybe Poatan
265? Tom alone

 

[Xoleth]

Fighters “mixing it up” which means going for a takedown when your opponent is not expecting it, is boring. It gives a break from the action to both men and it’s garbage watching two high level fighters cancel eachother out and waste 3 minutes of a round doing nothing with the commentators trying to justify it to the fans “this is so gruelling… for the people at home this is gruelling”

MMA as an idea is very interesting. You get a boxer and a Muay Thai guy and see which discipline is better. That’s how it started. Now what we’re watching is very far removed from that, it’s mixed martial artist gamers dragging fights out for 25 minutes doing everything they can to avoid taking and seemingly inflicting damage

I think MMA will not survive past its infancy. Boxing is supposed to be a restricted form of fighting, but boxing represents the “fight” the argument between two people even more. Boxing fights are won by attrition, mma matches are won by choices

I’ve watched this sport for 18 years, as soon as I heard it existed I was a fan, but long gone are the days of Chuck Liddell and Anderson Silva. Now all the legit guys are being forced to sit on the sidelines for years like Aspinall, you have women talking absolute rubbish in the booth, and you have cards stacked with nobodies in the Apex

Boxing fights are also won by hugging
Seriously, in boxing and kickboxing the referee has to invervene a lot during a fight... it also gives many breaks from the action
It seems like you have a problem with grappling

 

[bjjwar]

Everyone is afraid to lose. Nobody leaves it out there. No more Chris Lebens or BJ Penn's. Everyone thinks they have to win, at any cost. Even the crowd booing you.

I agree. Look at alot of the champs we have. Val, point fighter, barely scratches her opponents, just stalls the whole fight. Merab same thing, just spams 85 takedowns, cant get or keep anyone down, doesnt have jj or gnp anyway to do any damage, so he just spams to « control » the fight or wall n stalls to avoid the striking part which he is also awful at. Magomed, point fighter, Belal, point fighter,… Its awful. 90% of the fights are terrible to watch, seems that everyone just cares about their socials and podcast, they dont want to be in the cage anymore. They just do it for expure to post on their socials…

 

[Reach4theSky]

Fighters are better now. You have two well trained, well rounded, hard to finish mofo's facing off.

In the old days you had one dimensional fighters fighting each other. If one of them gets the other into his world (whether it's grappling, striking or clinch) it's over. Now fighters are good (or good enough) everywhere so it's becoming much harder to finish guys..

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Fighters “mixing it up” which means going for a takedown when your opponent is not expecting it, is boring. It gives a break from the action to both men and it’s garbage watching two high level fighters cancel eachother out and waste 3 minutes of a round doing nothing with the commentators trying to justify it to the fans “this is so gruelling… for the people at home this is gruelling”

MMA as an idea is very interesting. You get a boxer and a Muay Thai guy and see which discipline is better. That’s how it started. Now what we’re watching is very far removed from that, it’s mixed martial artist gamers dragging fights out for 25 minutes doing everything they can to avoid taking and seemingly inflicting damage

I think MMA will not survive past its infancy. Boxing is supposed to be a restricted form of fighting, but boxing represents the “fight” the argument between two people even more. Boxing fights are won by attrition, mma matches are won by choices

I’ve watched this sport for 18 years, as soon as I heard it existed I was a fan, but long gone are the days of Chuck Liddell and Anderson Silva. Now all the legit guys are being forced to sit on the sidelines for years like Aspinall, you have women talking absolute rubbish in the booth, and you have cards stacked with nobodies in the Apex

There's a reason Dana offers 50k bonuses and has Contender Series. The idea is to reward aggression and try and stay away from 'Ian Garry type fighting'. He's a very skilled guy and has a very high fight IQ. He does his best to play it very safe. Casual fans will not and do not like a style like that. MMA at the highest level is more of a niche sport. It doesn't appeal to the casual 'let em bang bro' type of fans.

 

[Morris88]

For people who don't know anything about mma, sure.
Low tier people like low tier stuff.
People who aren't musicians and don't know anything about music like stuff like rap and dance.
Chess is boring to people who are bad at it.
Sex aint great for dudes who lost their weiner from a freak accident with a lawnmower.
Books are boring for people who never learned how to read.
Movies are boring for blind people.
Lemme guess, u like ur steak well done too?

 

[Marko Polo]

For people who don't know anything about mma, sure.
Low tier people like low tier stuff.
People who aren't musicians and don't know anything about music like stuff like rap and dance.
Chess is boring to people who are bad at it.
Sex aint great for dudes who lost their weiner from a freak accident with a lawnmower.
Books are boring for people who never learned how to read.
Movies are boring for blind people.
Lemme guess, u like ur steak well done too?

Are you okay bud?

 

[TheMaster]

Fighters “mixing it up” which means going for a takedown when your opponent is not expecting it, is boring. It gives a break from the action to both men and it’s garbage watching two high level fighters cancel eachother out and waste 3 minutes of a round doing nothing with the commentators trying to justify it to the fans “this is so gruelling… for the people at home this is gruelling”

MMA as an idea is very interesting. You get a boxer and a Muay Thai guy and see which discipline is better. That’s how it started. Now what we’re watching is very far removed from that, it’s mixed martial artist gamers dragging fights out for 25 minutes doing everything they can to avoid taking and seemingly inflicting damage

I think MMA will not survive past its infancy. Boxing is supposed to be a restricted form of fighting, but boxing represents the “fight” the argument between two people even more. Boxing fights are won by attrition, mma matches are won by choices

I’ve watched this sport for 18 years, as soon as I heard it existed I was a fan, but long gone are the days of Chuck Liddell and Anderson Silva. Now all the legit guys are being forced to sit on the sidelines for years like Aspinall, you have women talking absolute rubbish in the booth, and you have cards stacked with nobodies in the Apex

I mean, you do have a point. Very, very few MMA fights can match the type of intensity and exchanges we witnessed last night.



Its just the nature of the sport. People like to see ruththless exchanges, and with standup only sports you get it much more often. You get it in MMA also standing, and if they are high level sometimes on the ground also but elite going toe to toe wars you can't really match boxing for the most part. The drama in MMA on the feet is also usually predominantly boxing with some other strikes mixed in but that said when in MMA they both just want to bang its also quite something to witness.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

MMA as an idea is very interesting. You get a boxer and a Muay Thai guy and see which discipline is better. That’s how it started.

That's not how it started. And only "as an idea?" Glad to see you're admitting you were never actually a fan of MMA. It's really too bad you wasted all this time in your life. How long was it again?

I’ve watched this sport for 18 years,

Yeesh

 

[Marko Polo]

I mean, you do have a point. Very, very few MMA fights can match the type of intensity and exchanges we witnessed last night.



Its just the nature of the sport. People like to see ruththless exchanges, and with standup only sports you get it much more often. You get it in MMA also standing, and if they are high level sometimes on the ground also but elite going toe to toe wars you can't really match boxing for the most part. The drama in MMA on the feet is also usually predominantly boxing with some other strikes mixed in but that said when in MMA they both just want to bang its also quite something to witness.

I just find it interesting because for years I’ve seen boxing as a more restricted form of fighting, but I don’t think that’s true. A fight isn’t about taking your opponent down and submitting them because you’re physically stronger or even getting a flash KO, it’s supposed to be a back and forth argument, a conversation where you convince the other guy you’re better, we don’t really see that in MMA. People don’t have to dig deep in mma - when the going gets tough a lot of fighters roll over and give up a sub. There are ways out in MMA that don’t exist in boxing. There is hugging in boxing, I’m not saying it’s perfect by any means.

 

[Marko Polo]

There's a reason Dana offers 50k bonuses and has Contender Series. The idea is to reward aggression and try and stay away from 'Ian Garry type fighting'. He's a very skilled guy and has a very high fight IQ. He does his best to play it very safe. Casual fans will not and do not like a style like that. MMA at the highest level is more of a niche sport. It doesn't appeal to the casual 'let em bang bro' type of fans.

I’m not saying anything other than Bonnar v Griffin is invalid. Upon further thought, I think MMA has severely stagnated because of the ruleset. The unified ruleset is garbage, guys like Gary can fail a takedown and are not punished for it by knees etc, this means guys can go and train to just be adequate everywhere rather than specialists. Gary can train to be OK at striking and OK at wrestling because he doesn’t even need to complete his TD’s. Theyre all just tools to avoid damage and avoid actually fighting.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

The meta is too well established now. Most guys are well rounded and well trained enough that they just kind of cancel each other out.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

For people who don't know anything about mma, sure.
Low tier people like low tier stuff.
People who aren't musicians and don't know anything about music like stuff like rap and dance.
Chess is boring to people who are bad at it.
Sex aint great for dudes who lost their weiner from a freak accident with a lawnmower.
Books are boring for people who never learned how to read.
Movies are boring for blind people.
Lemme guess, u like ur steak well done too?

Yea man well done steak people make me uneasy. I try to be understanding, like maybe they got food poisoning in the past or something, but inside, I’m judging them

 

[Luthien]

I agreed with the TS

 

[Marko Polo]

That's not how it started. And only "as an idea?" Glad to see you're admitting you were never actually a fan of MMA. It's really too bad you wasted all this time in your life. How long was it again?

Yeesh

Hahahaha this little woman hates me for some reason

 

[xhaydenx]

Everyone is afraid to lose. Nobody leaves it out there. No more Chris Lebens or BJ Penn's. Everyone thinks they have to win, at any cost. Even the crowd booing you.

I hate this shit so much.

Like, that Guti vs Cataneda fight today.

Guti drops him in round 1, Casta clearly still hurt and dazed on the ground. Guti goes down and does a little GNP, then just stops completely and LNPs because he's too afraid of using too much energy. He then point fights off the back foot for the next 2 rounds and does no damage at all.

Same with Dalby. He drops Brown and I've never seen a fighter leap on someone so quick to do absolutely nothing. Just pinned him down instead of throwing any GNP at all and just held on.

The UFC is full of "fighters" fighting like this. It's terrible a lot of the time.