Media Edwards and coaches drilling that kick that sent Usman to shadow realm.

It is a basic move, it wasnt planned or something, its just what you will want to have in your arsenal as a Muay Thai-based fighter.

Noobs that are watching the UFC and have no idea of anything else.

This technique is standard and it just takes skill to execute. Not that someone like Usman is some kind of a monster. He lost to a fighter with good stand-up credentials, thats it.
 
Shaddows said:
again, you try to mix common sense... then absolutely fail to see you lack exactly that (common sense).
All fighters train/drill things they see they can use on their opponent.
They also drill 1000 other combinations as well.

But to make a claim they knew it would work like it did... they did not. And it's stupid to even say that, but in today's world no one think about the logic of it.
You take their word as gospel and then try to build the justification around it.

Again, if they were so sure it would work whenever they wanted to use it, they wouldn't have waited for the last minute of a 5 rounds fight to try.
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Literally no one is saying this. You are arguing with yourself. They saw a weakness in Usmans striking, and then they trained to try and take advantage of it.

No one is saying they knew it would work 100%, and no one is saying they planned for Leon to lose 3 rounds and use it in the last minute. They just trained to expose a flaw in Usmans striking. Not sure why you’re against that logic so much.

Was the kick lucky? Of course, but so is every single KO that has ever landed on anyone. Landing a KO strike is always lucky, but seeing a flaw, and trying to expose it is not.
 
No way they planned for Leon to win like that, they were sounding far too desperate at the end of the fourth for that to be the case.

That being said, it definitely wasn’t a fluke. Leon was feinting that kick a few times before he threw it to see how Usman would react. The way he threw it, during his straight left and not after it, reminded me a lot of Robert Whittaker, who has had a lot of success with that combination himself (floored Cannonier and staggered Gastelum with it). It’s a pretty high level technique that he would’ve had to have drilled countless times to execute it as flawlessly as he did.
 
Why is it, if it was an early KO, then it was all planned, but since it didnt come until the 5th, that means he got lucky?
 
Good example of why it's so hard to stay on top, especially in this day and age. Entire teams and camps across the entire division are breaking down your every movement to find weaknesses in your technique and vulnerabilities they can exploit.

Fighting the same man twice is one of the harder things you can do in combat sports, Usman gets shit for clearing the division and fighting rematches, but it's actually a very difficult thing against anyone. It's not even biologically natural for us to fight the same opponent twice, this sport is the closest thing to a simulated fight to the death, yet sometimes you gotta go through the same emotional rollercoaster to fight a man who should already be in the "dirt".
 
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Dreyga2000 said:
Man, Leon Scott still got lucky the Herb Dean got him off the fence when he did. Herb easily could let them play on the fence for 50 more seconds
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Usman is lucky he's allowed to cheat all the time and literally never get a point deducted. It's getting absolutely ridiculous.
 
Dreyga2000 said:
Leon was the one cheating every chance he got
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Usman cheated at least 5 times in that fight. Cheated against Colby. Cheated on TUF. Fakes groin shots, fakes eye pokes, grabs the fence like crazy

Dude literally can't even help himself in there. It's so ridiculous
 
chinarice said:
Usman cheated at least 5 times in that fight. Cheated against Colby. Cheated on TUF. Fakes groin shots, fakes eye pokes, grabs the fence like crazy

Dude literally can't even help himself in there. It's so ridiculous
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Against Colby <45><45><45>Delusional

Colby was that faked and eye poke when his jaw broke
 
Dreyga2000 said:
Against Colby <45><45><45>Delusional

Colby was that faked and eye poke when his jaw broke
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Dude, Colby blasted him with a body kick and just like the Leon fight, he gets hurt there and fakes that it was a nutshot. Maybe he doesn't mean to and the shock to his body ripples down but dude, 2 blatantly obvious bodykicks on him and he lied about being kicked in the balls.

You aren't even a little bit impartial about your boy. He got CTE on Saturday and is more logical than you're being <45><45><45>
 
Shaddows said:
Well, I do think Jon's efforts were far more conscious than Leon's.
But that's not here nor there.

Look at the thread title. "It was planned". Like that was their gameplan all along.
That is what I disagree with.

You want to think they knew it all along, then that's on you.
Next you will tell me they were also counting on Nate almost KO'ing him, right? they had it all planned as well!!
<YeahOKJen>
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First off no, between the two of us you mentioned Jones vs DC first
Shaddows said:
As for Jon & DC, I used that exact fight to ilustrate how a PLANNED kick like that came to life. THAT was not luck. He did that by kicking low until DC was conditioned into responding to low kicks only.
However, the reason they show his drill is to give a light as "we knew this would work, this is not luck at all" which is what I call BS for.
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I'm simply pointing out that much of what you say to dismiss Leon's kick as luck could be applied to Jones. In fact we have more evidence that Leon planned to kick Usman than we do Jones, from the locker room to the corner screaming it in the fight to Leon feinting it right before throwing it.

Again no one thinks Leon and his team planned to lose three rounds before throwing it just like no one thinks Jon's team planned on losing two rounds before getting the KO.
 
I could see it . Mr Miyagi taught his student the crane kick and he used it last minute as well. It’s good to have a finisher, wwf guys do it all the time
 
Khabib Khanate said:
First off no, between the two of us you mentioned Jones vs DC first

I'm simply pointing out that much of what you say to dismiss Leon's kick as luck could be applied to Jones. In fact we have more evidence that Leon planned to kick Usman than we do Jones, from the locker room to the corner screaming it in the fight to Leon feinting it right before throwing it.

Again no one thinks Leon and his team planned to lose three rounds before throwing it just like no one thinks Jon's team planned on losing two rounds before getting the KO.
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again, your comparisons are absurd.
I don't care that neither "planed" to lose rounds.

I merely noted I noticed Jon's gameplan and did not on leon's case.
What's up with you? are you his mom? Why is it sooo important for you that I accept YOUR VIEW that his kicks were all planned?
Sorry, but I just don't see it that way.

IMO Leon was fighting and trying to catch Usman with combinations he trained, but I don't think it was an elaborate plan to drive Usman to that kick. It merely happened that way.
Did he train it? Of course yes.
But was it "the plan"? Absolutely not. I don't see it.

I will try to watch the fight again, and I am VERY open to changing my mind. But for now, that's how I see it.
And I am sorry, bud. But you will have to accept to leave with it.
 
Shaddows said:
again, your comparisons are absurd.
I don't care that neither "planed" to lose rounds.

I merely noted I noticed Jon's gameplan and did not on leon's case.
What's up with you? are you his mom? Why is it sooo important for you that I accept YOUR VIEW that his kicks were all planned?
Sorry, but I just don't see it that way.

IMO Leon was fighting and trying to catch Usman with combinations he trained, but I don't think it was an elaborate plan to drive Usman to that kick. It merely happened that way.
Did he train it? Of course yes.
But was it "the plan"? Absolutely not. I don't see it.

I will try to watch the fight again, and I am VERY open to changing my mind. But for now, that's how I see it.
And I am sorry, bud. But you will have to accept to leave with it.
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Hey fell how you want but seems like many other posters can see where I'm coming from while. You can think Leon was all luck while Jones entered the Matrix and programmed his KO perfectly but most of us can see that take s a bit off.
 
Khabib Khanate said:
Hey fell how you want but seems like many other posters can see where I'm coming from while. You can think Leon was all luck while Jones entered the Matrix and programmed his KO perfectly but most of us can see that take s a bit off.
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again, you are the one trying to claim they were identical.
You are insisting in every post.

I merely contend I didn't see it.
 
Shaddows said:
again, you are the one trying to claim they were identical.
You are insisting in every post.

I merely contend I didn't see it.
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I'm not saying they are identical, just similar in that both guys set up the kick by going low first and ended up dropping a few rounds before finding the opening to land the kick. And yet you want to downplay Leon's as luck while Jon's was a master plan that he saw from the beginning or whatever. Clearly motivated reasoning on some level.
 
Khabib Khanate said:
I'm not saying they are identical, just similar in that both guys set up the kick by going low first and ended up dropping a few rounds before finding the opening to land the kick. And yet you want to downplay Leon's as luck while Jon's was a master plan that he saw from the beginning or whatever. Clearly motivated reasoning on some level.
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OK, dude. Enough.
Get your crybaby butthurt out of the fucking discussion, because it is annoying.

I am not downplaying anything or anyone. I merely do not see the setup from Leon the same way I was able to see on Jon's fight.

Enough. I am civil, as long as the other side is as well.
But I am getting pretty annoyed with your assumptions and accusations.
 
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