Media Edwards and coaches drilling that kick that sent Usman to shadow realm.

[Brit_Brawler]

Gotta love the hypocrisy.
Leon dominates nate, gets caught with one punch and survives: nate won/ what a bum Leon is etc

Marty dominates most of fight, Leon wins by head kick: that was a fluke. Usman kills him 9/ 10 times.

 

[Shaddows]

Well you're wrong, Leon was throwing kicks throughout the fight to the leg and to the body. And again before the final kill shot he even feinted the kick a few times to see if Usman gave him the right reaction and only threw it when he saw Usman slipping. Its exactly the same, two fighters drop rounds but set up the head kick by going low and then take advantage when their opponent reaches for the wrong kick and blasts them to the head. You seem to be a Jones fan which is why you're giving credit to him and his camp while downplaying what Leon did when its very similar.

No you are downplaying it, probably because you're either a fan of Usman or don't like Leon.

LOL if that's your cop out, then be it.
But shame on you. You should know better.
As a moderator, you can check my post history and see that I was never too hot on Usman (though I don't dislike him, he was never one of my preferred fighters) and that I fought (in here) for Leon to get a title shot against many who wanted someone else or simply did not like Leon.

So yeah, that's on you, not me. Make up a new excuse.

 

[Darius0995]

I am not downplaying anything.
I am just not lauding them gods because they trained this combination.

simply put, you are the one making it a lot more than it is.

They explicitly stated Usman’s tendencies in that video. It doesn’t have to be lauded as some genius coaching assessment, but at a minimum it has to be considered competent coaching that assisted Edwards in achieving what he did. Not sure why you’re so aggravated about it, it happened, evidence exists showcasing them discussing that particular element that worked. Luck is involved in all facets (one being Herb deciding to take them away from the fence). However, what isn’t luck is that Edwards went after it and had a small window of opportunity to execute a pre-existing idea that worked against his opponent. The onus is all on you, it happened - that is as significant than any other point.

 

[Islam Imamate]

LOL if that's your cop out, then be it.
But shame on you. You should know better.
As a moderator, you can check my post history and see that I was never too hot on Usman (though I don't dislike him, he was never one of my preferred fighters) and that I fought (in here) for Leon to get a title shot against many who wanted someone else or simply did not like Leon.

So yeah, that's on you, not me. Make up a new excuse.

Hey if that's not your reason then I'm left scratching my head. Like I said Leon's kick was very similar to Jon's but you want to make it seem like Jon knew he would land that kick while Leon's was a fluke for some reason when everything you're nitpicking about Leon's kick could be said about Jon's.

 

[Shaddows]

They explicitly stated Usman’s tendencies in that video. It doesn’t have to be lauded as some genius coaching assessment, but at a minimum it has to be considered competent coaching that assisted Edwards in achieving what he did. Not sure why you’re so aggravated about it, it happened, evidence exists showcasing them discussing that particular element that worked. Luck is involved in all facets (one being Herb deciding to take them away from the fence). However, what isn’t luck is that Edwards went after it and had a small window of opportunity to execute a pre-existing idea that worked against his opponent. The onus is all on you, it happened - that is as significant than any other point.

LOL
You guys are so butthurt and feel such a need to defend Leon which I don't think needs defending. He is the fucking champ... ON MERRIT.
But look at the fucking title. "The KO was planned" like something inevitable.
No, it wasn't.

But let's separate the things here.
I never said he got bum for coaches. That's YOU implying I did.
Obviously you don't get to the level Leon got with bad coaches.
I merely contended that there was indeed a certain level of luck an that it was not planned in the sense they try to portrait.

the ones getting all butthurt are you, not me.

I Noted (and said it myself) that it was obvious they found somethings they could exploit. This is what every coach does.
Leon trained it is also something obvious that I never disputed it. I merely noted that Leon trained thousands of drills, and the "video evidence" is irrelevant and does not tell anything.

You are the ones trying to make it like he was never in trouble, that he had this all along which is asinine at best.

Congrats to Leon, but you guys are far too much swinging on his dick, and somehow offended I am not.

 

[Shaddows]

Hey if that's not your reason then I'm left scratching my head. Like I said Leon's kick was very similar to Jon's but you want to make it seem like Jon knew he would land that kick while Leon's was a fluke for some reason when everything you're nitpicking about Leon's kick could be said about Jon's.

Well, I do think Jon's efforts were far more conscious than Leon's.
But that's not here nor there.

Look at the thread title. "It was planned". Like that was their gameplan all along.
That is what I disagree with.

You want to think they knew it all along, then that's on you.
Next you will tell me they were also counting on Nate almost KO'ing him, right? they had it all planned as well!!

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well, I do think Jon's efforts were far more conscious than Leon's.
But that's not here nor there.

Look at the thread title. "It was planned". Like that was their gameplan all along.
That is what I disagree with.

You want to think they knew it all along, then that's on you.
Next you will tell me they were also counting on Nate almost KO'ing him, right? they had it all planned as well!!

Uh yeah it was clearly a part of their game plan, hence the footage of Leon's coaches going over the exact kick he used to finish Usman, his corner calling for it sceonds before it lands, and Leon feinting it a few times before throwing it. Are you denying that?

Of course losing three rounds was not part of the plan. I doubt Silva willingly lost four rounds to Sonnen either but he probably did plan on having to go for triangles off his back given Sonnen's history.

 

[Johnnny]

Its not just that he trains this move, its a regular staple of his arsenal

A regular staple of his arsenal? When was the last time Leon knocked somebody down with it before Usman?

 

[Islam Imamate]

A regular staple of his arsenal? When was the last time Leon knocked somebody down with it before Usman?

I don't know if he's ever KOed someone with it but he does throw it. I remember him landing it on Belal for interlace.

I admit he doesn't seem like the type to really go for the kick itself, in a lot of other fights it looks more like he throws the high kick to set up the left hand or the body kick rather than the reverse. Most of the time its grazes the guy or lands on his guard without much effect.

 

[Shaddows]

Uh yeah it was clearly a part of their game plan, hence the footage of Leon's coaches going over the exact kick he used to finish Usman, his corner calling for it sceonds before it lands, and Leon feinting it a few times before throwing it. Are you denying that?

Of course losing three rounds was not part of the plan. I doubt Silva willingly lost four rounds to Sonnen either but he probably did plan on having to go for triangles off his back given Sonnen's history.

Silva or his coaches never came out and claimed "it was planned".
They are the ones trying to imply that.
See the difference?

 

[Jose Beehive]

Silva or his coaches never came out and claimed "it was planned".
They are the ones trying to imply that.
See the difference?

Did Leon's team claim "it was planned?"

 

[Shaddows]

Did Leon's team claim "it was planned?"

look at the thread title.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Silva or his coaches never came out and claimed "it was planned".
They are the ones trying to imply that.
See the difference?

But they did say that the triangle was part of the plan and Silva supposedly told Big Nog right before he stepped into the cage that he was going to sub Sonnen

"We saw just that sometimes Sonnen gets too confident with his punching and he opens holes," said Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, the heavyweight great who awarded Silva his black belt in BJJ.

The idea was for Silva to establish his guard -- he told people in his locker room before the fight that he would be taken down and would have to win the fight from his back -- and allow Sonnen to punch himself into a bad position.

Nogueira said he saw Silva attempt what they worked on in camp seven times before the final round. Each try was shut down when Sonnen made sure to stay in tight or back out. But in the fifth round, which Nogueira couldn't bring himself to watch as he "kept his head down and prayed," Silva finally nailed it.

Silva, Nogueira said, promised just before stepping in the Octagon that the finish would happen like that. Among the many memorable things that came out of Sonnen's mouth during the lead-up to the fight, nothing upset Silva as much as the challenger's disrespect of the Nogueira brothers' brand of Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

 

[Zarathustra611]

Why were Leon's coaches losing their shit when Leon was getting outstruck 139 to 38 in Rounds 2, 3, and 4 and getting taken down and controlled with little resistance? Wasn't that all part of their plan? Make it look like Leon was getting thoroughly outclassed by Usman to point of returning to his corner broken and refusing to look his coaches in the eye. Leon must be one hell of an actor. If only they could do something about his voice, he could be in the Black Panther sequel instead of Usman.

Why are people interpreting "looked at Usman + planned some attacking strategies/combos/counters" - like any fighter would as,

"derp lol you are saying he planned every moment of the fight and therefore planned to lose rounds hahaha lol".

Literally no one tries to plan a fight like that. But they DO look for vulnerabilities and plan ways to exploit those. A few of the things they plan may never get used in the fight, a few may get used but they other guy adjusts or Leon doesn't execute 100% on the night.

The fact he may have noticed a way that Usman was occasionally open to the headkick/ or if the fight is going badly and we need a higher risk-higher reward strategy going for the KO then switching stances to look for the headkick would probably be a clear sign he was switching to a new plan, imo.

Because he was losing the fight, not because anyone seriously thinks you can plan out and structure a whole fight. But they try to look for and create moments where they can execute a plan, amid all the other instinct and reactions and chaos.

 

[Jose Beehive]

A regular staple of his arsenal? When was the last time Leon knocked somebody down with it before Usman?

 

[Jose Beehive]

look at the thread title.

Did Leon's coaches make the thread?

 

[Shaddows]

But they did say that the triangle was part of the plan and Silva supposedly told Big Nog right before he stepped into the cage that he was going to sub Sonnen

yes, I know.
And that is true (I know people from Nog's camp and confirmed it).
But had any coach claim it was planned, I would call bullshit as well.

It happened in the fight. It was luck that he was able to catch Sonnen when he did.
Does that mean he didn't train triangle chokes ? no.
Matter of fact, Silva was very good on the ground.

but it was not planned. It just happened.
Showing footage of Silva training tringle chokes would prove nothing.

Same as with Leon.

 

[Islam Imamate]

yes, I know.
And that is true (I know people from Nog's camp and confirmed it).
But had any coach claim it was planned, I would call bullshit as well.

It happened in the fight. It was luck that he was able to catch Sonnen when he did.
Does that mean he didn't train triangle chokes ? no.
Matter of fact, Silva was very good on the ground.

but it was not planned. It just happened.
Showing footage of Silva training tringle chokes would prove nothing.

Same as with Leon.

Same with Jones too then, not planned and a bit lucky. He was losing to DC too, doubt he planned to drop two rounds before getting the finish.

 

[TR1]

LOL
That's fucking stupid.

Yes, he drilled it. He drilled this and 1000 other combinations.
That's what you do. You train, then try to apply them into the fight.
But that does not mean they "planned this way"

Next you will say they planned on losing all previous rounds just to lull Usman into a sense of security?
Sorry, but this is just bullshit.

This is equivalent to some people claiming ANderson planned to tap Chael in the 5th lol.

 

[Shaddows]

Did Leon's coaches make the thread?

that's a stupid question.
I don't care who made the thread. It could have been Leon himself.
I simply disagree with it.

I disagree with the thread's title and the light they are trying to spin this. I voiced my disagreement

You are the one taking it personally, as if I must agree with you.
Well, sorry if your opinion and wishes are irrelevant to me. You are simply not that important and obviously have no argument good enough to change my mind.

I mean, what does it matter who created the thread?
Let me ask you this: Would it matter to you if it was Leon's coaches who created this thread?
It would not change my opinion either, and if you are swayed that easily, it speaks more about you than it does about me