Media Edwards and coaches drilling that kick that sent Usman to shadow realm.

[Shaddows]

Same with Jones too then, not planned and a bit lucky. He was losing to DC too, doubt he planned to drop two rounds before getting the finish.

again, I disagree.
He planned it, and implemented to perfection.
You could see how DC changed how he defended in rounds 1&2 to before the headkick.

I am not even saying Leon was doing it or not.; I just didn't see it as evident as I saw Jon do.
And Jon didn't wait for the last minute of the fight before attempting the "planned kick".

You lack logic.

 

[Islam Imamate]

again, I disagree.
He planned it, and implemented to perfection.
You could see how DC changed how he defended in rounds 1&2 to before the headkick.

I am not even saying Leon was doing it or not.; I just didn't see it as evident as I saw Jon do.
And Jon didn't wait for the last minute of the fight before attempting the "planned kick".

You lack logic.

Everything you're saying about Leon's kick applies to Jon's kick. Both guys set up the kick by going lower, both guys seemed to incorporate this as part of their wider strategy, and both guys lost rounds before landing the finishing blow. If Leon's kick was lucky and unplanned then so was Jon's.

 

[Jose Beehive]

that's a stupid question.
I don't care who made the thread. It could have been Leon himself.
I simply disagree with it.

I disagree with the thread's title and the light they are trying to spin this. I voiced my disagreement

You are the one taking it personally, as if I must agree with you.
Well, sorry if your opinion and wishes are irrelevant to me. You are simply not that important and obviously have no argument good enough to change my mind.

I mean, what does it matter who created the thread?
Let me ask you this: Would it matter to you if it was Leon's coaches who created this thread?
It would not change my opinion either, and if you are swayed that easily, it speaks more about you than it does about me

Then how does any of this statement make a single bit of sense?... TS is not Leon or his coaches.. Neither are BT Sports who put the video out .. You can't pretend your quote is from the coaches themselves when it's obviously not.

"Silva or his coaches never came out and claimed "it was planned".
They are the ones trying to imply that.
See the difference?"

 

[Shaddows]

Everything you're saying about Leon's kick applies to Jon's kick. Both guys set up the kick by going lower, both guys seemed to incorporate this as part of their wider strategy, and both guys lost rounds before landing the finishing blow. If Leon's kick was lucky and unplanned then so was Jon's.

again, you saw something I did not see in the fight.
And you are just trying to forcefully justify it.

I respect that you think they are the same, I just didn't see it this way.
With Jon, I could tell. With Leon, I could not.
I don't understand why you feel such a need to change my mind.

Again, I do not hate Leon. I am actually happy he's the champ.
Heck, I don't even think Usman is a lock for the rematch (check my post history where I explain how and why).

I always liked Leon and defended here on these boards (again, check post Nate fight and see for yourself).

I merely think that he got some luck on the 5th round in both fights. That does not mean he sucks and I never implied as much.

All I said is that I disagree this was planned like the title implies. You think this was all planned? be my guest.
You'd be wrong, but then again, it doesn't change ANYTHING.

 

[Shaddows]

Then how does any of this statement make a single bit of sense?... TS is not Leon or his coaches.. Neither are BT Sports who put the video out .. You can't pretend your quote is from the coaches themselves when it's obviously not.

"Silva or his coaches never came out and claimed "it was planned".
They are the ones trying to imply that.
See the difference?"

unnnhh
I lost you, bud. Sorry.

Silva nor his coaches ever came out and claimed the sub was planned.
Even though there's a video in which Silva promises Nog that he would submit Chael.

This thread claims that Leon's coaches planned this KO.

And same as with Silva, I call bullshit.
Leon happened to do this drill and it worked.
Silva was able to catch Sonnen on a triangle choke.

Both were amazing finishes. Buth fighters get mad props (from me) for not giving up and fighting until the end.
Both Sonnen and Usman learned a valuable lesson of not coasting until the end (a lesson that Leon learned against Nate - by his own admission).
And I say BOTH finishes have very big chunks of luck.
That does not demean either fighters or their victories.
That's simply how I see it.

 

[GBcrazy]

He drilled it. It's possible the coach noticed Kamaru's tendency to lean to the side.

But yeah I'm not sure this all counts as planned. I mean it was a basic movement done masterfully

 

[Islam Imamate]

again, you saw something I did not see in the fight.
And you are just trying to forcefully justify it.

I respect that you think they are the same, I just didn't see it this way.
With Jon, I could tell. With Leon, I could not.
I don't understand why you feel such a need to change my mind.

Again, I do not hate Leon. I am actually happy he's the champ.
Heck, I don't even think Usman is a lock for the rematch (check my post history where I explain how and why).

I always liked Leon and defended here on these boards (again, check post Nate fight and see for yourself).

I merely think that he got some luck on the 5th round in both fights. That does not mean he sucks and I never implied as much.

All I said is that I disagree this was planned like the title implies. You think this was all planned? be my guest.
You'd be wrong, but then again, it doesn't change ANYTHING.

Again I don't think anyone believes that Leon planned to lose five rounds before throwing that kick anymore than anyone thinks that Jon planned on losing two rounds before landing his kick or Silva losing four rounds before locking in that triangle.

The point is that the kick as a specific counter to Usman's slips was built into the game plan from the beginning.

 

[Shaddows]

Again I don't think anyone believes that Leon planned to lose five rounds before throwing that kick anymore than anyone thinks that Jon planned on losing two rounds before landing his kick or Silva losing four rounds before locking in that triangle.

The point is that the kick as a specific counter to Usman's slips was built into the game plan from the beginning.

you do notice you are trying to win both ways, right?

On one hand, he claims he did exactly like Jon...
But Jon did not "show clips of DC defending low" and claimed it was planned.
Jon forced DC to defend low kicks by kicking the shit out of his legs.

As for Leon, the drill was a combination, not a high kick.
They are claiming this was the plan. to KO him with this combination.

Not something Leon saw in the fight and used.
Two completely separated things.
So which one is it? One that he baited Usman to defend low or one that he drilled Usman with PUNCHES and then caught him with a kick?
it can't be both, and you know it.
And the answer is evident. You just want to force your view that Jon did the same as Leon, when it was not the case at all.

But beyond all that... what exactly is your point?
All I contend is that Leon had a bit of luck, and that this was not planned as stated in the title.
I would even go as far as "the hope" was for the KO to happen. But It merely happened this way. It was not their plan. It was not the strategy they counted for to win this fight.

 

[BangBang]

LOL
That's fucking stupid.

Yes, he drilled it. He drilled this and 1000 other combinations.
That's what you do. You train, then try to apply them into the fight.
But that does not mean they "planned this way"

Next you will say they planned on losing all previous rounds just to lull Usman into a sense of security?
Sorry, but this is just bullshit.

Are you a cretin? The coach said he's likely to circle this way, go for the headkick after the cross.
''Jab away, hook kick, at that angle, thats when he'll try and circle out of it''

it was about as planned as you can get. Of course you dont know for sure its going to work, but it fucking did!!!!!!!!

 

[BangBang]

Everyone that watches Leon knows this is a classic combo of his.

That said, they sure as fuck did not plan for him to lose a decision and throw it as a hail-mary in the last minute of the fight.

It worked out for him, he landed, he got the KO clean and justified. But he was on the brink of losing that fight.

what do you want? A medal for Usman losing? He lost pure and simple. Nothing else matters LMFAO

 

[Shaddows]

Are you a cretin? The coach said he's likely to circle this way, go for the headkick after the cross.
''Jab away, hook kick, at that angle, thats when he'll try and circle out of it''

it was about as planned as you can get. Of course you dont know for sure its going to work, but it fucking did!!!!!!!!

Sorry, kid.
It seems you are the idiot, since I've explained myself plenty on this thread.
If you are such an idiot that feels the need to post your asinine comment without reading the subsequent posts, then I don't need to add anything else to my response. You just confirmed it.

 

[Islam Imamate]

you do notice you are trying to win both ways, right?

On one hand, he claims he did exactly like Jon...
But Jon did not "show clips of DC defending low" and claimed it was planned.
Jon forced DC to defend low kicks by kicking the shit out of his legs.

As for Leon, the drill was a combination, not a high kick.
They are claiming this was the plan. to KO him with this combination.

Not something Leon saw in the fight and used.
Two completely separated things.
So which one is it? One that he baited Usman to defend low or one that he drilled Usman with PUNCHES and then caught him with a kick?
it can't be both, and you know it.
And the answer is evident. You just want to force your view that Jon did the same as Leon, when it was not the case at all.

If you actually watch the KO Leon does use the combination, he jabs and then fakes the left straight into the high kick. Basically what they worked on in the video. Again not very different from Jon, both guys set up the kick throughout the fight and landed it after losing a few rounds.

But beyond all that... what exactly is your point?
All I contend is that Leon had a bit of luck, and that this was not planned as stated in the title.
I would even go as far as "the hope" was for the KO to happen. But It merely happened this way. It was not their plan. It was not the strategy they counted for to win this fight.

My point is that you're incorrectly downplaying Leon's win here while playing up Jon's when they're very similar.

 

[BangBang]

Kid, you try too hard. But you are too fucking stupid.
The thread is exactly about that. To imply that they knew this would work. "see, we even have footage of us training just that".

You are on a losing battle, kid.
You lost this argument before it started. You are simply too stupid to understand it.

You are beyond thick mate. Im pissing myself laughing.

 

[Shaddows]

If you actually watch the KO Leon does use the combination, he jabs and then fakes the left straight into the high kick. Basically what they worked on in the video. Again not very different from Jon, both guys set up the kick throughout the fight and landed it after losing a few rounds.

My point is that you're incorrectly downplaying Leon's win here while playing up Jon's when they're very similar.

again, that's on YOU.
I am not downplaying anything. You are the one who brought Jon's win over DC.
I merely don't think they are the same.

Why are you so butthurt about it?
If anything, I think that thinking Leon couldn't have pulled this on his own is what demeans what he did!
Planned or not, he caught the champ and put him to sleep. Something that never happened before!

 

[Rorschachxx]

what do you want? A medal for Usman losing? He lost pure and simple. Nothing else matters LMFAO

Uhh yeah? He did lose pure and simple but he also was on the verge of victory. I'm just objectively describing what I know and saw. Don't know where you got the whole medal thing from all of a sudden lol?

The reason I'm bringing that up is because this thread was already about the whole fluke conversation. I don't believe in flukes, but I also know there is no fighter in the world willing to drop almost 4 rounds in order to set up an attack. Still not a fluke or anything. Its just what was the point of showing Leon drilled that technique. He drills it all the time and uses it all the time. It doesn't add any context to the fight or the finish, yet it was made out to be like that.

 

[Shaddows]

You are beyond thick mate. Im pissing myself laughing.

thank you. I am here for your entertainment.

lucky you are wearing a diaper!

 

[BangBang]

Uhh yeah? He did lose pure and simple but he also was on the verge of victory. I'm just objectively describing what I know and saw. Don't know where you got the whole medal thing from all of a sudden lol?

The reason I'm bringing that up is because this thread was already about the whole fluke conversation. I don't believe in flukes, but I also know there is no fighter in the world willing to drop almost 4 rounds in order to set up an attack. Still not a fluke or anything. Its just what was the point of showing Leon drilled that technique. He drills it all the time and uses it all the time. It doesn't add any context to the fight or the finish, yet it was made out to be like that.

Cognitive-behavioural therapy? Alcoholics Anomynous. I don't know what the answer is, but good luck!!!

Seriously though, who is arguing he was willfully losing the first 4 rounds in order to set up an attack.That is fucking bullshit. He WAS losing, and losing handily (through rounds 2-4). The victory was made all the more spectacular BECAUSE he had to turn it against the tide against all probability, against the calibre of fighter of Usman, at altitude, away from home. That he did it was a remarkable achievement and should be celebrated. It was a perfectly executed kick and it landed. Doesn't always go to plan (what you drill) but in this case, it did and fucking halleluyah, i'm celebrating!!!!!

Instead of arguing about this bullshit, just enjoy a spectacular moment of MMA history. Some of you guys are fucking unbelievably petty!

 

[BangBang]

thank you. I am here for your entertainment.

lucky you are wearing a diaper!

We called them nappies in the UK. I'll wear what I want mofo.

 

[Shaddows]

We called them nappies in the UK. I'll wear what I want mofo.

judging by your posting, I am sure you do, kid.

 

[Rorschachxx]

Cognitive-behavioural therapy? Alcoholics Anomynous. I don't know what the answer is, but good luck!!!

Seriously though, who is arguing he was willfully losing the first 4 rounds in order to set up an attack.That is fucking bullshit. He WAS losing, and losing handily (through rounds 2-4). The victory was made all the more spectacular BECAUSE he had to turn it against the tide against all probability, against the calibre of fighter of Usman, at altitude, away from home. That he did it was a remarkable achievement and should be celebrated. It was a perfectly executed kick and it landed. Doesn't always go to plan (what you drill) but in this case, it did and fucking halleluyah, i'm celebrating!!!!!

Instead of arguing about this bullshit, just enjoy a spectacular moment of MMA history. Some of you guys are fucking unbelievably petty!

Dude, I was losing my fucking voice screaming when it happened. I'm super happy for Leon and I celebrate the fact that he won. I have no idea how on earth you managed to infer I did/do not with the few things I wrote specifically aimed at the context of this very thread (of which I did not deviate into something else btw). You seem to have lumped me in with some other petty fools out here. Yes, what he accomplished is absolutely incredible and will go down as one of the greatest title-winning performances in history, especially due to the history of Leon and the hardships. Its almost poetic how it happened considering everyone was on his ass after the last minute against Nate.

Here how about this: I don't disagree with a single thing you said there my friend and I am enjoying Leons victory just like you do. The fact is dumbasses on here were/are arguing the fluke aspect of it and talking about the kick being set up and all that nonsense. I'll admit, I probably carried some of the energy of other threads into that one cause they seem to be saying the same thing. Thats on me. Fuck it, I'll throw a like your way as a friendly gesture.