Eddie Hall vs. Hafthor Bjornsson

Grappling with a guy that big and strong would be a terrible mistake for sure. I know Jeff Monson. He's strong and is a fairly good grappler. Not a bad fighter all around (though a washed up Fedor still handled him easily). Monson has some interesting tattoos.
I'm not sure if i've ever watched a fight of his but I'm glad I wasn't wrestling with him. He seems interesting with his ideas and all about anarchy, seems intellectual but honestly, he doesn't seem imbalanced like so many of the guys i've run into, he was totally cool.
 
On the topic of physical freaks (not named Nikolai Valuev)

Taishan Dong (7'0)
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Jim Cully (7'2)
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Gogea Mitu (7'4)
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andre the giant made the 6-5 chuck wepner look small.
 
shit, if it's a streetfight, a man that heavy? I don't know, if it's a boxing match, probably the average boxer of any class would just beat up on him. but I don't know how many of you have wrestled with someone a good 70 pounds heavier than you but it's ego crushing even if they are pros. I wrestled with Jeff Monson who probably weighed about 260 and I couldn't budge the dude, he was cool I have to say and wasn't doing like some people be doing when they got you like that. Most of the mma guys do a lot of retarded shit in the gym.

There's a video on Youtube of a middleweight greco-roman wrestler handling a 260 pound bodybuilder and then a 380 strongman pretty well. It was a world championship wrestler, but still.
 
There's a video on Youtube of a middleweight greco-roman wrestler handling a 260 pound bodybuilder and then a 380 strongman pretty well. It was a world championship wrestler, but still.
ya, i saw that, impressive but you just know those guys have years of skills and experience. Wrestlers often seem to be more strength based too, my old trainer would deny that but i heard he could press 400 pounds at 160, boxers generally aren't that strong and even if they are, it doesn't play that much of a role in boxing. I heard shane mosely could press 350, it didn't make him that much more exceptional in the ring.
 
Grappling with a guy that big and strong would be a terrible mistake for sure. I know Jeff Monson. He's strong and is a fairly good grappler. Not a bad fighter all around (though a washed up Fedor still handled him easily). Monson has some interesting tattoos.

I have a tattoo on my Johnson.
 
ya, i saw that, impressive but you just know those guys have years of skills and experience. Wrestlers often seem to be more strength based too, my old trainer would deny that but i heard he could press 400 pounds at 160, boxers generally aren't that strong and even if they are, it doesn't play that much of a role in boxing. I heard shane mosely could press 350, it didn't make him that much more exceptional in the ring.

Are we talking about the same video? Can you post the link?
 
Are we talking about the same video? Can you post the link?
i'm pretty sure, i'd have to find it though, it was somewhere in europe. I'll check to see but you're right, the wrestler made a fool out of him.
 
i'm pretty sure, i'd have to find it though, it was somewhere in europe. I'll check to see but you're right, the wrestler made a fool out of him.

Yea I think we're talking about the same one :D

I remember this incident years ago... I even contacted Bas Rutten on twitter to show him that... Bas responded that he hates people like that and that he would've fucked up the big guy... But he also said that the victim in the video should have ran out... Which I agree with. The guy is looking at his phone, ignoring what is standing in front of him, absolutely not ready to fight... Which is suicidal:



 
here's a good one while i was looking for the wrestler/bodybuilder fight, not much technique but shows how even a little bit of ground training is better than just big muscles:
 
There's a video on Youtube of a middleweight greco-roman wrestler handling a 260 pound bodybuilder and then a 380 strongman pretty well. It was a world championship wrestler, but still.
If you have the skills and sufficient strength you can outgrapple significantly heavier guys, especially in Folkstyle & Freestyle wrestling, but that's usually because the bigger men you're wrestling don't know how to grapple or they're no good at it. At some point you reach a limit to just how far up you can climb and I've never seen it tested against anyone nearly as heavy as 450 pounds or remotely as strong as a guy like Hafthor (a top 3 strongest man in the world for the last 8 years). It would be a terrible idea in a street fight to attempt. Even if you manage to get a takedown it could be rather meaningless since he could just power back up or power through submission attempts you apply on him (or through his own submission attempts on you). Top control would be a serious problem with a guy that ridiculously big and strong regardless of how technical your grappling may be as well as applying many submissions.

Mark Kerr was a big guy (260 pounds or so) and strong as shit with an extensive collegiate wrestling background (D1 champ & D1 AA). His size and strength alone though allowed him to do what I just described against far more technical submission grapplers. And, just on his strength alone, he was able to beat the likes of a big man himself and technical grappler in Josh Barnett.

Here's a Freestyle wrestler that's only 158 pounds handling a bodybuilder advertised as being 340 pounds (over 300 for sure but 340 is a stretch). Notice though that he's cooperating and putting up very little resistance.
 
Yea I think we're talking about the same one :D

I remember this incident years ago... I even contacted Bas Rutten on twitter to show him that... Bas responded that he hates people like that and that he would've fucked up the big guy... But he also said that the victim in the video should have ran out... Which I agree with. The guy is looking at his phone, ignoring what is standing in front of him, absolutely not ready to fight... Which is suicidal:




i don't understand why people allow anyone into their boundaries like that, of course, laying your hand on a woman in any way is a real bad idea but I wouldn't let a dude get that close, I learned the hard way that you should be the first guy doing something. Another note, lot of guys in graveyards over some woman.
 
If you have the skills and sufficient strength you can outgrapple significantly heavier guys, especially in Folkstyle & Freestyle wrestling, but that's usually because the bigger men you're wrestling don't know how to grapple or they're no good at it. At some point you reach a limit to just how far up you can climb and I've never seen it tested against anyone nearly as heavy as 450 pounds or remotely as strong as a guy like Hafthor (a top 3 strongest man in the world for the last 8 years). It would be a terrible idea in a street fight to attempt. Even if you manage to get a takedown it could be rather meaningless since he could just power back up or power through submission attempts you apply on him (or through his own submission attempts on you). Top control would be a serious problem with a guy that ridiculously big and strong regardless of how technical your grappling may be as well as applying many submissions.

Mark Kerr was a big guy (260 pounds or so) and strong as shit with an extensive collegiate wrestling background (D1 champ & D1 AA). His size and strength alone though allowed him to do what I just described against far more technical submission grapplers. And, just on his strength alone, he was able to beat the likes of a big man himself and technical grappler in Josh Barnett.

Here's a Freestyle wrestler that's only 158 pounds handling a bodybuilder advertised as being 340 pounds (over 300 for sure but 340 is a stretch). Notice though that he's cooperating and putting up very little resistance.


How you say Kerr's size and strenght alone allowed him that? You just described his background, and as far as I know Barnett doesn't have those credentials. I don't think he was ever D1, let alone champion.
Kerr's Prime was very brief though... He paid the price for taking all sort of stuff.

His standup was pretty lackluster. Bas Rutten was beating him up when they sparred.
 
If you have the skills and sufficient strength you can outgrapple significantly heavier guys, especially in Folkstyle & Freestyle wrestling, but that's usually because the bigger men you're wrestling don't know how to grapple or they're no good at it. At some point you reach a limit to just how far up you can climb and I've never seen it tested against anyone nearly as heavy as 450 pounds or remotely as strong as a guy like Hafthor (a top 3 strongest man in the world for the last 8 years). It would be a terrible idea in a street fight to attempt. Even if you manage to get a takedown it could be rather meaningless since he could just power back up or power through submission attempts you apply on him (or through his own submission attempts on you). Top control would be a serious problem with a guy that ridiculously big and strong regardless of how technical your grappling may be as well as applying many submissions.

Mark Kerr was a big guy (260 pounds or so) and strong as shit with an extensive collegiate wrestling background (D1 champ & D1 AA). His size and strength alone though allowed him to do what I just described against far more technical submission grapplers. And, just on his strength alone, he was able to beat the likes of a big man himself and technical grappler in Josh Barnett.

Here's a Freestyle wrestler that's only 158 pounds handling a bodybuilder advertised as being 340 pounds (over 300 for sure but 340 is a stretch). Notice though that he's cooperating and putting up very little resistance.

ya, I think I might have been around Josh's gym when that fight happened, not sure. But our trainer was always saying it was more skill than size or strength, I never believed it, never, but I'm admittedly a mediocre grappler. I'd probably beat most of the general population at it but overall I'm not very good at it, or rather, i should say, i just haven't done very much. I've used a lot of grappling in my security job/fights but thats against drunks and dodo's, even if they were twice as big as me, they still weren't up to a good fight. I really should go back and work on takedowns, wrestling and submissions.
 
How you say Kerr's size and strenght alone allowed him that? You just described his background, and as far as I know Barnett doesn't have those credentials. I don't think he was ever D1, let alone champion.
Kerr's Prime was very brief though... He paid the price for taking all sort of stuff.

His standup was pretty lackluster. Bas Rutten was beating him up when they sparred.
josh was good enough to easily beat one of the best fighters I ever knew, a guy you likely never heard of by the name of Chris charnos, he beat chris in his first fight and chris' trainer talked him into joining the gym we were at. I wrestled and worked with Chris and even though he was 0-2 as a pro, I still say he was one of the best fighters I've ever come across as far as knowledge, but.., upstairs he was weak, (sorry chris, if you're out there, don't get mad at me).
 
How you say Kerr's size and strenght alone allowed him that? You just described his background, and as far as I know Barnett doesn't have those credentials. I don't think he was ever D1, let alone champion.
Kerr's Prime was very brief though... He paid the price for taking all sort of stuff.

His standup was pretty lackluster. Bas Rutten was beating him up when they sparred.
Because Mark Kerr is one of the biggest freaks in MMA history. He was known as the Smashing Machine for his brute strength and GnP. He was heavily a strength-based grappler and not that technical. Having a stronger background doesn't always mean that grappler is necessarily better than another. Barnett doesn't have that collegiate wrestling background but he was one of the best submission grapplers in the world and not just in the MMA realm (2009 No-Gi BJJ world champ, Gracie US National champ, Metamoris champ) and as a catch wrestler no less (not a traditional BJJ player).
 
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