Eddie Alvarez on MMA vs Boxing

[MMARedPill]

Wilder was a novice dominating lifelong boxers. Stop acting as if the talent pools overlap 1-1. It’s fucking stupid on both sides. The skills needed aren’t identical. Being great at boxing doesn’t mean you’d be great at mma and vice versa.

You are purposely and disingenuously missing the point.

Wilder is a boxing novice, but has OTHERWORLDLY punching power. This factor alone allows him to knock out some of the lesser boxers, but isn't enough vs the elite (Fury).

Thanks for proving my point about GENETIC POTENTIAL that boxing siphons. Wilder is a 6'7 rangy, extremely durable and athletic fighter with comic book punching power. THIS is what it takes to be competitive in boxing.

In comparison, Ngannou a framecel, small clavicle, 6'5 manlet and is an absolute boxing novice, that became an MMA champ based of the most bare bone boxing skill, minimal grappling experience, and just decent power. You simply don't need to have much to be an MMA HW Champ.

Being even BELOW AVERAGE in boxing has proven time and time again to translate to MMA Champ material. This is undisputed FACT.

Mcgregor was a failed boxing from Ireland who transitioned to MMA to dominate.
Ngannou was literally a BUM trying to break into the boxing scene but, by his own word, took up MMA because it was easier and resulted in faster (albeit far, far, far lower) payday.

 

[Snails]

The entire narrative that boxing isn't real fighting, or that MMA is closer to real fight simulation is pure cope from weirdos and nerds who have never engaged in a fight in their lives.

Boxers are superior fights, and have far higher potential to be superior MMA fighters, IF THEY WOULD HAVE CHOSEN THAT PATH. But they didn't, because a) MMA isn't that popular, b) MMA doesn't pay anywhere close to boxing, and c) MMA doesn't have anywhere near the prestige, world wide fame, and history as boxing.

So when you MMA dorks say something like, "Well, Mayweather would lose in a "real" fight vs MMA guys" you dorks sound completely out of touch with reality.

If MMA would have paid boxers 150 million a fight 20-30 years ago when Floyd was still a child, then perhaps Floyd Mayweather would have chosen MMA over boxing. And because we know for a FACT that Mayweather is genetically superior to literally every single MMA fighter in history, athletically, reflex, twitch, ring IQ, durability, chin, etc., we can make a factual statement that Floyd would have equally dominated MMA as he did boxing.

Why? Because Mayweather is a genetic freak athlete unlike anything we've seen in MMA. Who are you to say someone with Floyd's speed, fight IQ, physical talent, wouldn't have learned to low kick faster and harder than any MMA bum in MMA's history?

Similarly, if MMA would have paid 30 million a fight during the 80s, then perhaps a genetic monster like Mike Tyson would have taken up MMA? Mike Tyson would easily have the most explosive takedown in the history of wrestling and MMA because Mike Tyson is a genetically FAR superior to any bum athlete in wrestling OR MMA.

Again, if a genetic embarrassment like Tim Sylvia can dominate and become UFC HW champion with just his size alone, then surely genetic specimens like Joshua, Wilder, and Fury would dominate MMA FAR FAR FAR harder than Sylvia ever could, with their combination of size, strength, athleticism, speed, IQ.

MMA is a joke because the talent pool is a joke. Coping with the whole "hurr durr MMA is real fighting!" is pure low IQ cope.

If MMA ever paid the same as boxing, those very same talented boxers would migrate over to MMA and dominate and embarrass the sport.

If a complete boxing failure like Ngannou can transition over as a BOXING NOVICE, and dominate life long MMA practitioners like Stipe and Arlovski, then surely ANY mid to high lever HW boxers can do the exact same thing, in less than the time it took Ngannou to do it (less than 6 years, what a joke!).

Geeked out suburbanite incels are ignorant to the status and respect that comes along with being a world champion boxer. There is absolutely zero comparison between a "cage fighter" and being a professional boxer. Whether it be skill, dedication to their craft, intangibles like heart, or money and fame the two couldn't be further apart. The truth is that any MMA player would have chosen to be a boxer if they had the skills, but sadly none of them do. Even the "goat striker" in MMA Adensanya is a failed regional level boxer.

 

[MMARedPill]

Floyd, one of the greatest boxers of all time, is better at boxing than conor, who had 0 professional boxing fights. Def proves boxers are superior. Derp.

Again, completely dishonest take.

Floyd was obviously the better boxer. But what that fight exposed was that Mcgregor can train the next 30 years in boxing, or that had Mcgregor started boxing from age 1 to 30, he would still NEVER pose a threat to Mayweather because of his GENETIC LIMITATION.

Remember, it's GENETIC, NOT DISCIPLINE.

Mcgregor can have all the boxing skill in the world, but his complete lack of punching speed, and embarrassing pillow fist means he was never, ever going to rise above the regional level.

And this is exactly what happened. Mcgregor, the failed boxer, transitioned to MMA and flourished due to MMA's embarrassingly low talent pool.

 

[MMARedPill]

Geeked out suburbanite incels are ignorant to the status and respect that comes along with being a world champion boxer. There is absolutely zero comparison between a "cage fighter" and being a professional boxer. Whether it be skill, dedication to their craft, intangibles like heart, or money and fame the two couldn't be further apart. The truth is that any MMA player would have chosen to be a boxer if they had the skills, but sadly none of them do. Even the "goat striker" in MMA Adensanya is a failed regional level boxer.

Brutal MMA redpill.

MMA is a sport that siphons rejects, failed boxers, retired athletes, failed NFL rejects, WWE wrestlers, highschool teachers, firemen, construction workers, and mall cops.

But somehow MMA weirdos want to convince you it's the apex combat sports.

 

[MMARedPill]

The brutal redpill is that boxers make far better MMA fighters than MMA guys.

Pay Pacquaio/Joshua/Wilder/Lopez Jr./Inoue/Spence/Crawford/Canelo 30, 50, 100+ million dollars per MMA fights and see just how elevated MMA becomes with boxing's talent.

Pacquaio's movement, speed, tenacity, raw dynamic power would obliterate everyone in MMA and elevate the striking to levels never seen before in MMA.

Joshua's sheer size, athletic ability, explosiveness, would make him far and away the greatest wrestler/takedown artist you've ever seen. Imagine the speed of the single leg shot with Joshua's explosiveness? Absolutely insane.

If a failed boxers like Anderson Silva and Adesanya and NFL blacksheep like Jon Jones can dominate with their size and range, imagine what Wilder would do to MMA HW? lol absolutely comical.

If someone like Dominic Cruz can dominate with this embarrassingly bad foot work that still somehow manages to befuddle MMA goofs, imagine what the footwork of Lomachenko would do to these MMA bums. They'd get so discombobulated from Loma's movement they'd KO themselves from sheer dizziness.

 

[kflo]

You are purposely and disingenuously missing the point.

Wilder is a boxing novice, but has OTHERWORLDLY punching power. This factor alone allows him to knock out some of the lesser boxers, but isn't enough vs the elite (Fury).

Thanks for proving my point about GENETIC POTENTIAL that boxing siphons. Wilder is a 6'7 rangy, extremely durable and athletic fighter with comic book punching power. THIS is what it takes to be competitive in boxing.

In comparison, Ngannou a framecel, small clavicle, 6'5 manlet and is an absolute boxing novice, that became an MMA champ based of the most bare bone boxing skill, minimal grappling experience, and just decent power. You simply don't need to have much to be an MMA HW Champ.

Being even BELOW AVERAGE in boxing has proven time and time again to translate to MMA Champ material. This is undisputed FACT.

Mcgregor was a failed boxing from Ireland who transitioned to MMA to dominate.
Ngannou was literally a BUM trying to break into the boxing scene but, by his own word, took up MMA because it was easier and resulted in faster (albeit far, far, far lower) payday.

So when it takes ngannou 8+ years to be champ that proves mma sucks but when mike tyson becomes champ at age 20 with 5 years training it’s proof boxing is amazing.

Ngannou barely started in boxing. Claiming him as one of boxings own is hilarious.

 

[Snails]

Brutal MMA redpill.

MMA is a sport that siphons rejects, failed boxers, retired athletes, failed NFL rejects, WWE wrestlers, highschool teachers, firemen, construction workers, and mall cops.

But somehow MMA weirdos want to convince you it's the apex combat sports.

You can find more talent at your local high school then what is currently in MMA. Look at how slow, uncoordinated, and goofy Dustin Poirier looks in these clips. Does this look like an A level athlete?



Anthony Joshua outweighs Dustin by over 70lbs yet is visibly faster, more explosive, and coordinated in his movements. Night and day difference.

 

[kflo]

Again, completely dishonest take.

Floyd was obviously the better boxer. But what that fight exposed was that Mcgregor can train the next 30 years in boxing, or that had Mcgregor started boxing from age 1 to 30, he would still NEVER pose a threat to Mayweather because of his GENETIC LIMITATION.

Remember, it's GENETIC, NOT DISCIPLINE.

Mcgregor can have all the boxing skill in the world, but his complete lack of punching speed, and embarrassing pillow fist means he was never, ever going to rise above the regional level.

And this is exactly what happened. Mcgregor, the failed boxer, transitioned to MMA and flourished due to MMA's embarrassingly low talent pool.

Lol. Floyd was boxing since birth and made lifelong boxers look awful.

You’re obviously a troll but lol at thinking conor losing to Floyd in boxing is telling of anything. Floyd would look like an amateur in mma against conor and it wouldn’t mean anything either. This will be lost on you and your troll account.

 

[MMARedPill]

So when it takes ngannou 8+ years to be champ that proves mma sucks but when mike tyson becomes champ at age 20 with 5 years training it’s proof boxing is amazing.

Ngannou barely started in boxing. Claiming him as one of boxings own is hilarious.

It's like you're incapable of making an honest and logical reply due to the fact that you are getting besmirched.

What part of BOXING TALENT do you not understand? Or are you purposely avoiding this because it would shatter whatever pathetic argument you're trying to make?

Are you denying that Mike Tyson is a 1 in a billion athlete? Because that's EXACTLY what he was, and that is EXACTLY why he was so good at boxing.

My ENTIRE point was that boxing attracts all the absolute GENETIC MONSTERS of the world, and this is why boxing is the GOAT combat sport.

Your entire attempt to counter this point is....? To bring up all the absolute GENETIC MONSTERS that dominate boxing? LOL!

Mike Tyson: A complete genetic monster, 1 in a billion athlete, discovered at 13 years old by one of the GOAT boxing coach Cus D'amato, was taken in, lived and breathed boxing from 13 to 19, the prime years of a man's development, and turned into a multi million star famous around the world.

Francis Ngannou: a complete bum working on the mine field, was starting out trying to make it into boxing, couldn't cut it, talent pool far too deep, decided to pivot to MMA for some quick cash at the age of 26 (far too old to take up anything else), becomes MMA HW champ in a matter of a few years.

You're right, Ngannou barely started in boxing because he was never going to make it in boxing anyway. So good on you for recognizing that. That's why he went to MMA, a far easier discipline with far less talent pool for a higher % of success for far less pay.

For Ngannou, MMA was his genetic potential.

The two are NOT alike, despite you trying to make it so.

 

[MMARedPill]

Lol. Floyd was boxing since birth and made lifelong boxers look awful.

You’re obviously a troll but lol at thinking conor losing to Floyd in boxing is telling of anything. Floyd would look like an amateur in mma against conor and it wouldn’t mean anything either. This will be lost on you and your troll account.

You are utterly incapable of using logic. You argue like a female. Check your estrogen level, bro.

This is the 3rd post in a row you've ignored the Genetic vs discipline angle, because it destroys whatever you're coping with.

Of course Floyd would be destroyed in MMA. Why wouldn't he?

IT IS NOT HIS DISCIPLINE.

MMA didn't pay him 30 to 150 million a FIGHT. BOXING DID.

So any logical alpha male would do, he FOCUSED ON BOXING. You would have to be an absolute moron to choose MMA over boxing if you're a 10 year old kid looking to go into a sport that makes you rich.

So why do you MMA doofuses keep bringing this up?

If MMA ever paid the kind of money boxing does, the boxing guys would quickly transition over, and within a span of 4-5 years, MMA would be completely dominated by former boxers because BOXERS ARE SUPERIOR GENETIC SPECIMEN.

Just like Mcgregor and Ngannou did! Except those two are failed boxers who couldn't even claw out of the local level. A failed regional level boxer can easily become MMA GOAT material with a few years of training.

Imagine what the upper echelon of boxing Elites would do in MMA.

Discipline is the only angle you MMA losers latch on to because it's the only thing you have.

Imagine saying Rafael Nadal would lose to some random Chinese dude in ping pong as if you just made some mind blowing point LOL.

 

[kflo]

It's like you're incapable of making an honest and logical reply due to the fact that you are getting besmirched.

What part of BOXING TALENT do you not understand? Or are you purposely avoiding this because it would shatter whatever pathetic argument you're trying to make?

Are you denying that Mike Tyson is a 1 in a billion athlete? Because that's EXACTLY what he was, and that is EXACTLY why he was so good at boxing.

My ENTIRE point was that boxing attracts all the absolute GENETIC MONSTERS of the world, and this is why boxing is the GOAT combat sport.

Your entire attempt to counter this point is....? To bring up all the absolute GENETIC MONSTERS that dominate boxing? LOL!

Mike Tyson: A complete genetic monster, 1 in a billion athlete, discovered at 13 years old by one of the GOAT boxing coach Cus D'amato, was taken in, lived and breathed boxing from 13 to 19, the prime years of a man's development, and turned into a multi million star famous around the world.

Francis Ngannou: a complete bum working on the mine field, was starting out trying to make it into boxing, couldn't cut it, talent pool far too deep, decided to pivot to MMA for some quick cash at the age of 26 (far too old to take up anything else), becomes MMA HW champ in a matter of a few years.

You're right, Ngannou barely started in boxing because he was never going to make it in boxing anyway. So good on you for recognizing that. That's why he went to MMA, a far easier discipline with far less talent pool for a higher % of success for far less pay.

For Ngannou, MMA was his genetic potential.

The two are NOT alike, despite you trying to make it so.

Lol.

Tyson dominated boxing after training a few years at age 20........

Ngannou is dominating mma after a lot more years training into his 30s.

Look, you’re on an mma forum trying to talk shit about a sport you don’t know anything about.

 

[kflo]

You are utterly incapable of using logic. You argue like a female. Check your estrogen level, bro.

This is the 3rd post in a row you've ignored the Genetic vs discipline angle, because it destroys whatever you're coping with.

Of course Floyd would be destroyed in MMA. Why wouldn't he?

IT IS NOT HIS DISCIPLINE.

MMA didn't pay him 30 to 150 million a FIGHT. BOXING DID.

So any logical alpha male would do, he FOCUSED ON BOXING. You would have to be an absolute moron to choose MMA over boxing if you're a 10 year old kid looking to go into a sport that makes you rich.

So why do you MMA doofuses keep bringing this up?

If MMA ever paid the kind of money boxing does, the boxing guys would quickly transition over, and within a span of 4-5 years, MMA would be completely dominated by former boxers because BOXERS ARE SUPERIOR GENETIC SPECIMEN.

Just like Mcgregor and Ngannou did! Except those two are failed boxers who couldn't even claw out of the local level. A failed regional level boxer can easily become MMA GOAT material with a few years of training.

Imagine what the upper echelon of boxing Elites would do in MMA.

Discipline is the only angle you MMA losers latch on to because it's the only thing you have.

Imagine saying Rafael Nadal would lose to some random Chinese dude in ping pong as if you just made some mind blowing point LOL.

Lol. It’s not Floyd’s discipline. Yet conor losing to him in boxing proves something. Comical.

 

[MMARedPill]

Imagine if 110M Hurdlers coped by saying, "Well, you might be a genetic beast who can run a sub 9.8 100M, but we Hurdlers run AND Jump over stuff".

What a complete joke that would be.

Everyone in the world recognizes that the 100M sprinter is the alpha apex athlete of the summer games. It is the most competitive event by far, with the winner being the biggest genetic freaks in the entire Olympic.

Boxing is 100M spring version of combat sport.

It's pure, it's simple, it attracts the most talent, and it is the most prestigious.

Anything else is 100% incel MMA cope.

 

[MMARedPill]

Lol.

Tyson dominated boxing after training a few years at age 20........

Ngannou is dominating mma after a lot more years training into his 30s.

Look, you’re on an mma forum trying to talk shit about a sport you don’t know anything about.

Again, another disingenuous female take.

Tyson dominated because a) he's a 1 in a billion athlete, 2) coached by D'amato, an all time great coach, and b) was in the prime development period of his life (teen to adulthood). The stars had to align for Tyson to become the youngest HW champ of the world.

Ngannou's was literally a bum off the street who entered a far inferior sport with far inferior genetic talent, so he dominated based off his primitive and basic skillset.

Again, the two scenarios are nowhere near the same. Good luck being this dishonest in life, bro.

 

[MMARedPill]

Lol. It’s not Floyd’s discipline. Yet conor losing to him in boxing proves something. Comical.

It didn't prove anything boxing wise.

It proved something GENETIC wise.

Mcgregor's problem was never his boxing skill, which is something one can acquire through time, dedication, and hard work.

His limiting factor in boxing was HIS GENETICS. Get this through your head.

Mcgregor's handspeed is laughable. His feet too slow. His hands too pillow fisted. His stamina too pedestrian.

It's clear as day you're suffering from some sort of mental breakdown because my post utterly shattered your world view. You clearly cannot address the GENETIC argument.

Take the L and move on.

 

[Lee_]

Eddie basically is right that less rules is more like real life combat, and thus would mostly do better in real combat, but he shouldn't say it in that way. The gloves up the ass part wasn't necessary.

 

[Lee_]

Ive known a few boxers that would straight merk dudes in street fights, like with the quickness.

Ive seen mma dudes get fucked up in street fights too, so its not as plain as saying mma is better cause it has less rules. Its all about application, and every case is different.

There is some truth to this, but ultimately, when you are talking about an expert grappler against a non-expert grappler, the non-expert gets put on his back and beaten down the vast majority of the time.

Boxing would be more useful in a situation where there may be multiple combatants. You wouldn't want to be on the ground grappling where you could get stomped, throw a few punches and get out of there.

 

[MMARedPill]

Eddie basically is right that less rules is more like real life combat, and thus would mostly do better in real combat, but he shouldn't say it in that way. The gloves up the ass part wasn't necessary.

Except it isn't right. It's completely out of touch with reality.

Eddie comes off as the typical butthurt insecure MMA goof who has to rationalize and justify the fact that they are in an inferior combat sports.

Anyone who uses the "more like real life" argument loses on the spot.

It's an arbitrary made up argument that completely falls apart when examined further.

 

[MMARedPill]

If Eddie Alvarez could box, he would have boxed and made 100x the money.

But because he has a glass jaw, below average power, below average speed, below average hand speed, below average foot speed, below average fight IQ, below average durability, he opted to compete in MMA.

The brutal redpill about MMA is that anybody who could have succeeded in boxing, would have chose boxing over MMA.

Instead of you have guys like Askren and Woodley who have to sell out their integrity to get KO'd by a youtbue in boxing to make more money.

Money = talent. Point, blank, PERIOD.

 

[MMARedPill]

The MMA cope of "well it's more like real fighting" is the very same type of cringe cope Ruby rejects say about NFL athletes.

"Well, those NFL guys are far faster, far stronger, far more agile, and football requires far more IQ, but at least we Rugby guys DON'T NEED TO WEAR PADS HURR DURRRR!"

Pure low IQ meat head cope.

One sport simply has the superior genetic talents vs the other.