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Pantoja never fought KKF, quit the B.S.
They fought at TUF.

Why are you always trying to twist the truth?
Same with that fool “you are bugging out”, when in reality no one has time for this kind of nonsense.
 
I can see where you're coming from and don't think it's baseless, but it's not just ppv vs live gate. In a world where PPV is dying, international superstars seem pretty clearly to be the most valuable commodity cus of functioning as bridges to markets with millions of loyal fans that bring value beyond traditional ppv sales in the form of growing the sport and building regional stars.

To your point, Colby is the best example of a guy getting undue preferential treatment and def a fair point, but tbh it’s pretty intellectually lazy to lump Dustin and Justin in w him when Colby’s a pretty unique example and entirely dissimilar to them beyond the shallow fact that they’re simply whiteys(w tattoos lol). Colby is very specifically and intentionally marketing himself to the ‘let’s go Brandon’ and trump segment of society who also happens to be one of Dana buttbuddies, so there’s a slimey connection that benefits him no doubt.

Now let’s dig in to the preferential treatment of the other guys:

Strickland wasn’t the plan, he was a replacement opponent vs Izzy then had the performance of his life which made him champ. He then loses the belt in a fight some people think was controversial(not me). If he was getting the preferential treatment you say then the UFC had a golden opportunity to run it back and give him another chance at being the guy when he campaigned for the ddp rematch. Instead, they moved on to DDP vs Izzy, a fight with two guys who are international stars. So you’re right that the proof is in the matchmaking, but it’s going a different direction. And fwiw, I imagine Sean is gonna go back to being the apex/fight night guy now.

Justin and Dustin are literally walking performance bonuses and are tenured, world-class vets who both beat rising prospects in Fiziev and BSD to defend their positions. Now Gaethje is in a more or less meaningless (but fun af) fight he didn’t have to take, and if he wins, he’s not guaranteed to be Islam’s next fight, so not sure what’s preferential and unfair about that.

About Dustin, he’d only be Islam’s next fight cus the UFC fucked up w their timeline(plus Islam asked for it…), so now Arman, Olives, and Gaethje are all booked and can’t really be relied on to make the turnaround to fight Islam so soon after 300, leaving Dustin, who is also the guy Islam very specifically asked for.

That being the case, Dustin being the guy Islam asked for actually is moreso proof of Islam’s preferential treatment since he’d be getting the guy he tried to pick, prob in Saudi Arabia in June, who also happens to be a good matchup for him. This is all obviously for Islam. Dustin would just be the guy in the right place, right time to be offered up to a guy who is ‘supposed‘ to beat him.

And if somehow Gaethje ends up as Islam’s next fight, it could again be argued that Islam would be getting favorable matchmaking since Gaethje’s weaknesses play to Islam’s strengths unlike someone like Arman. In other words, the UFC would be ‘feeding’ dangerous but beatable vets to bolster Islam’s resume and stardom before the matchups with less upside for him. Sending Justin or Dustin to fight Islam, a bad matchup for either, in the Middle East is not doing them a favor lol; it’s to Islam’s benefit.

If you’re looking for examples of what the UFC wants, look no further than Khamzat being set up to murder Nate Diaz in a supposed to be star-making performance

PS I don’t blame you if you don’t wanna read all that, I wouldn’t really either. It’s all good
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I agree with most of that. Except the last part.

That wasn't meant to be a star making performance for Khamzat, or at least not entirely, it was meant to be a value diminishing (and possible maiming) beating of an out of prime old Diaz so that he enters the market on that (what they hoped to be) embarrassing loss. Things didn't work out for the UFC, thankfully.

Also, I think a better way to put it would be that if the UFC were forced to choose they would prefer a champ residing in the anglosphere who speaks the language over someone like Islam who is mega popular overseas. With a champ like Dustin or Justin, they won't have to worry about visa issues, connections to countries or entities that are political enemies of the US, the language barrier, and so on. Culturally, they are relatable and should they get popular enough, they can go on ESPN or a morning show or a late night show and not seem out of place. Can you imagine Islam on Good Morning America? Or SNL?
 
They fought at TUF.

Why are you always trying to twist the truth?
Same with that fool “you are bugging out”, when in reality no one has time for this kind of nonsense.
Why are you tripping? All i did was literally use your logic. Makhachev has cleared out the division, he has already beat Charles & Arman no need for rematches similar to no need to rematch France for Pantoja. Albazi should've been next or Mokaev. Who cares if Mokaev performance was shitty, he still deserves it. Gaethje is tied up with Holloway so let's let Dustin get a crack at the title, new contender, never fought Makhachev before it's not a rematch, fuck yea let's go. War Dustin.
 
Why are you tripping? All i did was literally use your logic. Makhachev has cleared out the division, he has already beat Charles & Arman no need for rematches similar to no need to rematch France for Pantoja. Albazi should've been next or Mokaev. Who cares if Mokaev performance was shitty, he still deserves it. Gaethje is tied up with Holloway so let's let Dustin get a crack at the title, new contender, never fought Makhachev before it's not a rematch, fuck yea let's go. War Dustin.
I’m not tripping, just exposing your dishonesty.

Pantoja is 9-0 over the divisions current top ten.
Where the other guy has only 3 fights against the top ten fighters in his division. You can’t be serious about him cleaning out the division. Just stop.
 
I’m not tripping, just exposing your dishonesty.

Pantoja is 9-0 over the divisions current top ten.
Where the other guy has only 3 fights against the top ten fighters in his division. You can’t be serious about him cleaning out the division. Just stop.
Oh... now it's just the other "guy" no more IVLam, Shitlam, towel, bathtubber?

That other guy is he undisputed LW champion who defeated the #1 p4p fighter 2x.

Pantoja had the benefit of clearing out his division before he got the title because the division he fights in is shallow.

Whilst the LW division has contenders and killers all in the top 15. Makhachev beset Oliviera handily and best Arman, no need to rematch(using your logic). Other than Gaethje and Poirier who else is left? Gamrot.

You're all over the place, if Makhachev fights Poirier who is a top ranked 155lb fighter and the only available contender, you're complaining? You were complaining about Makhachev not fighting no one in his division, he finally has a chance at new fight in the division and you're crying about now?

I seriously think you have something wrong with you and anything Islam Makhachev ever does bothers you, no matter what.

I for one am happy if Makhachev fights either Poirier, Holloway, Gaethje, Oliviera, Arman, Gamrot or who the fuck ever, because I am a fan of MMA, I don't discriminate on fighters and who they're or who they fight.

You need to get grip and let it go.

just enjoy the fights, is that so hard.
 
Oh... now it's just the other "guy" no more IVLam, Shitlam, towel, bathtubber?

That other guy is he undisputed LW champion who defeated the #1 p4p fighter 2x.

Pantoja had the benefit of clearing out his division before he got the title because the division he fights in is shallow.

Whilst the LW division has contenders and killers all in the top 15. Makhachev beset Oliviera handily and best Arman, no need to rematch(using your logic). Other than Gaethje and Poirier who else is left? Gamrot.

You're all over the place, if Makhachev fights Poirier who is a top ranked 155lb fighter and the only available contender, you're complaining? You were complaining about Makhachev not fighting no one in his division, he finally has a chance at new fight in the division and you're crying about now?

I seriously think you have something wrong with you and anything Islam Makhachev ever does bothers you, no matter what.

I for one am happy if Makhachev fights either Poirier, Holloway, Gaethje, Oliviera, Arman, Gamrot or who the fuck ever, because I am a fan of MMA, I don't discriminate on fighters and who they're or who they fight.

You need to get grip and let it go.

just enjoy the fights, is that so hard.
You are a f*cking weirdo. Trying to beef every day and making things up. Almost like haramdan last days taking its toll? Just stop with this nonsense.

 
You are a f*cking weirdo. Trying to beef every day and making things up. Almost like haramdan last days taking its toll? Just stop with this nonsense.


So you have nothing to contribute to what I just posted?, it's part of thread and topic and yet you're just hating on a great matchup? And you're telling me I'm the weirdo? It's clear you're the one with the problem here. I mean you can't even get excited for a nice fight between Poirier & Makhachev.

Just let it go, you have no control in the matchups and how the UFC is running their business.

When you come to terms with that, then maybe you can actually enjoy the LW division once again.

I for am looking forward for Poirier vs Makhachev, are you not?
 
Well... I HOPE Dustin finds a way to win but his 2 title fights so far he got finished by RNC both times.

So FFS Dustin keep it on the feet, cut out these silly jumping Guillotines and go for a KO. He's got time to try to address these tactical errors. Hope he listens to his corner during the fight.

Final chance for Dustin at 155lbs.
Dustin going for that guillotine
 
I agree with most of that. Except the last part.

That wasn't meant to be a star making performance for Khamzat, or at least not entirely, it was meant to be a value diminishing (and possible maiming) beating of an out of prime old Diaz so that he enters the market on that (what they hoped to be) embarrassing loss. Things didn't work out for the UFC, thankfully.

Also, I think a better way to put it would be that if the UFC were forced to choose they would prefer a champ residing in the anglosphere who speaks the language over someone like Islam who is mega popular overseas. With a champ like Dustin or Justin, they won't have to worry about visa issues, connections to countries or entities that are political enemies of the US, the language barrier, and so on. Culturally, they are relatable and should they get popular enough, they can go on ESPN or a morning show or a late night show and not seem out of place. Can you imagine Islam on Good Morning America? Or SNL?
To your first paragraph, yeah, both things were def true at once - it was meant to build Khamzat with a dominant win over his first huge name and, seemingly more importantly to the UFC, devalue Nate as he entered free agency, zero doubt about it. And it blowing up in their face was one of the sweeter moments in recent history. It was a much more vindictive, egregious example of the general strategy of trying to build young stars by beating old stars.

On your second paragraph, that's all reasonable and a better way to put it than the other guy. What I was pushing back on was just the lazy notion that the UFC gives special treatment to guys like Dustin, Justin cus they're white dudes at the expense of everyone else when the reality is that they're focused a whole lot on selling stars to the world, not to mention the potential for anglosphere fighters from various backgrounds. If the UFC could choose, bilingual native English speakers w potential dual-appeal to different audiences would be convenient too, so like a Mexican American star etc.

I couldn't imagine Dustin, Justin, Islam, or almost any other fighter on SNL lol, but yeah obviously an English speaker is a better fit to be a transcendent star in the english speaking market. The nuance there is that they would have to get popular enough, and to do that involves a level of charisma/charm/x-factor/consistent winning that is hella rare, which is of course why we don't see much mma fighters in the mainstream on Conan and stuff. As a fan of the Ustins, sadly Justin and Dustin both have weaknesses in their game that would prevent them from being more than very short-term champs, so without some kind of x-factor in their personalities, they're not guys who are great candidates to be crossover stars, which means that someone like Islam is an investment worth prioritizing because his in-cage success is more reliable, and his fan base seemingly more fervent, though in a less-developed market
 
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I don't know why he's getting it over Gaethje.
(yes I know he's fighting Max)

Poirier is on a one fight winning streak?
 
They fought at TUF.

Why are you always trying to twist the truth?
Same with that fool “you are bugging out”, when in reality no one has time for this kind of nonsense.
I'm not the one who said you are bugging out, you are arguing with several people.

Ok, let me rephrase, they never fought in a real fight, that was a meaningless exhibition, more than 10 years ago.

If you consider that a rematch, then by your own logic, Arman and Oliveira should not get a titleshot against Islam.
 
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I don't know why he's getting it over Gaethje.
(yes I know he's fighting Max)

Poirier is on a one fight winning streak?
The UFC messed up, Oliviera should have never gotten the rematch he is unreliable, it should have been Gaethje from the get go. Now that everyone is tied up, Poirier is the only viable option other than Gamrot.
 
I'm not the one who said you are bugging out, you are arguing with several people.

Ok, let me rephrase, they never fought in a real fight, that was a meaningless exhibition, more than 10 years ago.

If you consider that a rematch, then by your own logic, Arman and Oliveira should not get a titleshot against Islam.
I’m not accusing you for saying that I’m bugging out. Sorry I should have been more clear on that. It’s all cool.

Some people including the AbuDhabiweight champ are saying no to rematches, or that they prefer new matchups, no matter if the real deserving contender would actually be a rematch (winner of Arman vs. Charles).

I just said that he is no Pantoja, who actually has wins and also rematch wins against the top guys in his division and if he would say no to rematches like some other champs, (he is not as we can see) that would rule out KKF too.
I see Armans short notice UFC debut 5 years ago, similar meaningless to the division as the TUF fights.
That other guy is just trying to get beef, by intentionally missunderstanding the facts or trying to put words in other peoples mouth.
 
I’m not accusing you for saying that I’m bugging out. Sorry I should have been more clear on that. It’s all cool.

Some people including the AbuDhabiweight champ are saying no to rematches, or that they prefer new matchups, no matter if the real deserving contender would actually be a rematch (winner of Arman vs. Charles).

I just said that he is no Pantoja, who actually has wins and also rematch wins against the top guys in his division and if he would say no to rematches like some other champs, (he is not as we can see) that would rule out KKF too.
I see Armans short notice UFC debut 5 years ago, similar meaningless to the division as the TUF fights.
That other guy is just trying to get beef, by intentionally missunderstanding the facts or trying to put words in other peoples mouth.
Lol, oh brother you're just exposing yourself more and more.

Poirier is the only one available, you were crying for months how Makhachev fights no one in his division, he finally has one and you go and cry.

I don't have to tell you what you're exposing yourself as, everyone knows it.

Like I said enjoy the fights, you have no option other than cry about it or enjoy it.
 
Lol, oh brother you're just exposing yourself more and more.

Poirier is the only one available, you were crying for months how Makhachev fights no one in his division, he finally has one and you go and cry.

I don't have to tell you what you're exposing yourself as, everyone knows it.

Like I said enjoy the fights, you have no option other than cry about it or enjoy it.
I will enjoy fights that actually happen. I have no reason to get excited about some fantasy matchups that might never take place.
You might want to stop quoting me with this bs, before you expose your dishonesty even more.
 
The UFC messed up, Oliviera should have never gotten the rematch he is unreliable, it should have been Gaethje from the get go. Now that everyone is tied up, Poirier is the only viable option other than Gamrot.

You can't spell FUCk up without UFC.

Kinda silly that the guy that got Head Kicked to Bolivian is getting the title shot.

Poirier is an easier matchup for Islam's well IMO
 
I will enjoy fights that actually happen. I have no reason to get excited about some fantasy matchups that might never take place.
You might want to stop quoting me with this bs, before you expose your dishonesty even more.

You're being delusional and is just t freaking out at a potential matchup with Islam and Dustin, why?

I'll be honest then, Arman or Gaethje deserves the fight with Makhachev, Oliviera doesn't, he is unreliable from MISSING WEIGHT to not even making it to the rematch because of wreckless training practices. But those fighters are all booked other than Poirier.

So why are you so butthurt against a potential matchup for Islam, a new match up and a LW. I know exactly why, nothing will ever satisfy you when it comes Makhachev. You were crying for months about him not fighting a LW, here's a potential matchup and now you crying.

Everyone here knows why you are like this towards Makhachev.
 
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I can see where you're coming from and don't think it's baseless, but it's not just ppv vs live gate. In a world where PPV is dying, international superstars seem pretty clearly to be the most valuable commodity cus of functioning as bridges to markets with millions of loyal fans that bring value beyond traditional ppv sales in the form of growing the sport and building regional stars.

To your point, Colby is the best example of a guy getting undue preferential treatment and def a fair point, but tbh it’s pretty intellectually lazy to lump Dustin and Justin in w him when Colby’s a pretty unique example and entirely dissimilar to them beyond the shallow fact that they’re simply whiteys(w tattoos lol). Colby is very specifically and intentionally marketing himself to the ‘let’s go Brandon’ and trump segment of society who also happens to be one of Dana buttbuddies, so there’s a slimey connection that benefits him no doubt.

Now let’s dig in to the preferential treatment of the other guys:

Strickland wasn’t the plan, he was a replacement opponent vs Izzy then had the performance of his life which made him champ. He then loses the belt in a fight some people think was controversial(not me). If he was getting the preferential treatment you say then the UFC had a golden opportunity to run it back and give him another chance at being the guy when he campaigned for the ddp rematch. Instead, they moved on to DDP vs Izzy, a fight with two guys who are international stars. So you’re right that the proof is in the matchmaking, but it’s going a different direction. And fwiw, I imagine Sean is gonna go back to being the apex/fight night guy now.

Justin and Dustin are literally walking performance bonuses and are tenured, world-class vets who both beat rising prospects in Fiziev and BSD to defend their positions. Now Gaethje is in a more or less meaningless (but fun af) fight he didn’t have to take, and if he wins, he’s not guaranteed to be Islam’s next fight, so not sure what’s preferential and unfair about that.

About Dustin, he’d only be Islam’s next fight cus the UFC fucked up w their timeline(plus Islam asked for it…), so now Arman, Olives, and Gaethje are all booked and can’t really be relied on to make the turnaround to fight Islam so soon after 300, leaving Dustin, who is also the guy Islam very specifically asked for.

That being the case, Dustin being the guy Islam asked for actually is moreso proof of Islam’s preferential treatment since he’d be getting the guy he tried to pick, prob in Saudi Arabia in June, who also happens to be a good matchup for him. This is all obviously for Islam. Dustin would just be the guy in the right place, right time to be offered up to a guy who is ‘supposed‘ to beat him.

And if somehow Gaethje ends up as Islam’s next fight, it could again be argued that Islam would be getting favorable matchmaking since Gaethje’s weaknesses play to Islam’s strengths unlike someone like Arman. In other words, the UFC would be ‘feeding’ dangerous but beatable vets to bolster Islam’s resume and stardom before the matchups with less upside for him. Sending Justin or Dustin to fight Islam, a bad matchup for either, in the Middle East is not doing them a favor lol; it’s to Islam’s benefit.

PS I don’t blame you if you don’t wanna read all that, I wouldn’t really either. It’s all good
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Yeah I am not saying that Dustin/Justin as people or fighters are similar to Strickland/Colby ... just that to Dana it doesn't make all that big of a difference, because he rightly recognizes that the fanbase from the shithole states are fucking retarded and they can all serve a similar function. They all receive varying degrees of preferential treatment, Dustin and Justin are just better fighters.

Dustin/Justin got more of the 'rank squatting' allowance, although eventually after years they each finally fought someone that wasnt each other or a rematch/title shot sort of situation. Dana usually completely shits on people waiting out fights or refusing to fight outside of a title situation, but for these two in particular he never said a word. How long did we have to endure the trifecta of Poirier/Gaethje/Chandler constantly fighting each other or for the title despite not beating anyone else other than each other or losing for the title?

Hard disagree with your Strickland assessment too, he's been getting tons of Dana White privilege the more he yaps about bullshit. He's beat Jack fucking Hermansson and every fight is a fucking snooze. He's been getting the Colby treatment essentially and I won't be surprised if they start feeding him washed 'names' or career lightweights/welterweights next to give him some 'big' wins despite lacking in the talent department. Now talking about not being willing to take a fight against Costa because he's not making half a mil or whatever...it's fucking ridiculous.
 
I think this might be his farewell fight
 
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