Ducks can't be Goats

[Qays Stetkevich]

All good fighters always KNOW that a GOAT believes he is the greatest.

Can Anyone imagine CroCop, Fedor, Coleman or Randy DUCKING Chael?

No, not even with Dana's help.​

Coleman took dives, so yeah, I can imagine it.

 

[BoomStronk]

I fucking hate this Jones vs Stipe title fight with a passion, but...not all GOAT candidates changed weight classes at all. If Jon retired today or immediately following the Gane fight, would he be the GOAT then? He sure as fuck never ducked DC's fat ass. DC came right to him in trying to avoid the guy who ate his lunch every day in training (Cain). He only touched gold at LHW because Jon wasn't competing. When his daddy came back home, he ran back to HW where he had a chance of still being a champion.

Likewise, I don't think he owed us Cain, JDS or Frank (although the Francis shit talk he was doing at the time made him even less likeable). He's ducking Tom and that's blatantly obvious. Relinquish the belt and fight Stipe for the legacy, defend the belt against the number one contender and interim champ, or retire. I think you'd be hard pressed to say he still wasn't the GOAT even if he did lose to Aspinall. But that isn't the route he is choosing to take. Again, makes him an even more unlikeable cunt of a human, but I don't know if you can eliminate him from the GOAT discussion because of it.

Reasonable post. Agreed. Jones is a scumbag, and I'd love to see him get crushed by a legitimate heavyweight but I don't at all blame him for "ducking" - he's old and shopworn after dominating the second heaviest division for a decade, he's in the late autumn of his career. These are the extras reel fights, now. Jon's trying to rack up a trumped up claim to have beaten the best HW, which we all know is absolute bullshit, but what can you expect? of course he'd want to ride off into the sunset being able to make that claim, and as you point out we can't reasonably demand that he fight his way through the ranks at HW no matter how much we might wish to see his head bounce off the canvas.

It's just nuts that the UFC are giving him this opportunity, fucking up the whole HW division to do so.

 

[Megatronlee]

You cannot pick an old man to fight an pretend it's a championship bout, especially if there is an interim champion

Never took risks throughout his career and was always looking for favorable match ups. Remember when Jones refuses to fight short notice Sonnen? with ful camp. That's how he is afraid of losing

Ducks HW DC, Cain, JDS, Ngannou and Aspinall

Has Jon ever fought a guy younger than him besides Gane?

A real Goat always challenges the best and fights in tough conditions

Yeah you can. Nobody can beat jon. Jon has never lost a fight

 

[JKS]

You cannot pick an old man to fight an pretend it's a championship bout, especially if there is an interim champion

Never took risks throughout his career and was always looking for favorable match ups. Remember when Jones refuses to fight short notice Sonnen? with ful camp. That's how he is afraid of losing

Ducks HW DC, Cain, JDS, Ngannou and Aspinall

Has Jon ever fought a guy younger than him besides Gane?

A real Goat always challenges the best and fights in tough conditions

Tell me when there were fight offers made to Jon Jones to fight DC, Cain, JDS, Ngannou and Aspinal???

A duck is when the promoter wants to put on a fight, makes an offer and the the fighter declines while the other accepts. So unless you actually have that with those HW's....I'd STFU.

 

[Chagaev]

Jones was very close to being stopped by Chael even when he trained for him. Shit happens and he was right to be careful.

I like Fedor better than Jon, but if you compare the end of their career it's fighting smart vs fighting stupid.

 

[JKS]

Who is he ducking???

Jones vs stipe was made before aspinall was even a champion.

This is what people fail to understand. Jones vs Stipe was originally talked about for July 23, a few months after Jones won the HW title. Stipe wasn't ready and they pushed it to Nov 23. Aspinal wasn't even in the picture yet, it was actually Pavlovich ahead of him. Aspinal only came in the picture after Stipe/Jones fell through.

But all this means is the UFC is staying with their original plans of Stipe vs Jones, the promotion wants the fight and so do both fighters.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

You cannot pick an old man to fight an pretend it's a championship bout, especially if there is an interim champion

Never took risks throughout his career and was always looking for favorable match ups. Remember when Jones refuses to fight short notice Sonnen? with ful camp. That's how he is afraid of losing

Ducks HW DC, Cain, JDS, Ngannou and Aspinall

Has Jon ever fought a guy younger than him besides Gane?

A real Goat always challenges the best and fights in tough conditions

LOSERS busted for peds CAN’T BE GOAT.

 

[AldoStillGoat]

You are right. Alex Pereira can't be a GOAT after all the ducking he did against Ankalaev.

 

[humdizzle]

everyone here said Gane would take his lunch money and look what happened.

 

[RedDevilFan]

LOSERS busted for peds CAN’T BE GOAT.

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So how can GSP be GOAT for cheating in the cage.

The odd issue is that many push GSP as GOAT but he is a cheater himself. So if you accept cheating with GSP how can you not accept it with Jones or Silva.

If you have GSP as GOAT, who is a cheater himself, then Jones and Silva can be GOAT. But the GOAT debate is subjective and usually caters to who you like and dislike.

 

[jx820]

This stuff is so desperatate. "Accomplishments don't matter. What counts is arbitrary criteria I've made up on the spot to exclude him."

Besides you can decide anyone was supposed to fight anyone if signed contracts don't matter:
Fedor ducked Brock, Cain, JDS, and USADA
GSP ducked Lawlor and Whittaker
Anderson ducked Jones
Aldo ducked Cruz
Mighty Mouse ducked TJ
Cejudo ducked Volk, Olivera, Usman, Izzy, Jan, and Stipe

Sure none of those fights were signed, booked or necessarily offered, but I've decided that's what makes sense, so they are ducks now.

 

[RedDevilFan]

Coleman took dives, so yeah, I can imagine it.

The retard probably started watching MMA a few years ago.

You could list a whos who of former GOATS and champions who were said to have ducked someone. I remember people saying Fedor ducked Overeem, so this is a dumb thread but it is sherdog. I also remember people saying GSP was ducking Silva, you can name it all. You can do research to debunk this shit thread but research is in short demand on here.

 

[JKS]

everyone here said Gane would take his lunch money and look what happened.

To be fair majority of people said Jon would own Gane after he was outgrappled pretty easily by Francis.

 

[nonoob]

Tell me when there were fight offers made to Jon Jones to fight DC, Cain, JDS, Ngannou and Aspinal???

None listed would Ever Fight Jon.

Jones vs Stipe was originally talked about for July 23

Never a HW callout from Jon, since 2013, hidden like Dana's soulmate meat.

 

[nonoob]

Tell me when there were fight offers made to Jon Jones to fight DC, Cain, JDS, Ngannou and Aspinal???

A duck is when the promoter wants to put on a fight, makes an offer and the the fighter declines while the other accepts.

Fans know that Dana would never put Jon, his "king", at any HW risk at all.

 

[Egészségére!]

So if that’s the case there are only 2 possible goats:

Fedor & Hendo
BJ & DC honorable mentions

The anyone, any weight, anytime Mt Rushmore

 

[VinceArch]

Jon isn't the GOAT. Anyone with a functional brain recognizes that.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Jon Jones is already LHW GOAT. But if you are asking me if he's the HW GOAT for beating Stipe or even Tom Aspinall, I'm gonna say no.

 

[AmonTobin]

Not at HW, that's for sure. And not at LHW, not without PEDs.

 

[JBJisGOAT14]

You cannot pick an old man to fight an pretend it's a championship bout, especially if there is an interim champion

Never took risks throughout his career and was always looking for favorable match ups. Remember when Jones refuses to fight short notice Sonnen? with ful camp. That's how he is afraid of losing

Ducks HW DC, Cain, JDS, Ngannou and Aspinall

Has Jon ever fought a guy younger than him besides Gane?

A real Goat always challenges the best and fights in tough conditions

Lmao he beat the shit out of DC TWICE!!! DC is likely best HW ever and Jones made him cry. Full stop bud.