Dricus Du Plessis getting smoked like a blunt

[GrantB13]

That's cool and all, but now the guy is a UFC champion and has beaten and finished high level competition like Adesanya. Which carries more weight?

 

[Lord Pyjamas]

just normal stuff.

 

[Koro_11]

That's cool and all, but now the guy is a UFC champion and has beaten and finished high level competition like Adesanya. Which carries more weight?

For sure, just saying there's a guy out there who chinned him badly and seems to be a terrible match up for him.

 

[MMAFanCal]

For sure, just saying there's a guy out there who chinned him badly and seems to be a terrible match up for him.

And Dricus finished him in the first fight. Means absolutely nothing in today's standing for both. Let's look at the facts. I don't think you are aware, Dricus was dehydrating himself like crazy to fight at a lower weight class at 170 lbs and chin is the first thing to go. This loss is exactly the reason why it was his last ever fight at 170 lbs. Completely apples to oranges considering Soldic is shorter and smaller frame who is more natural at 170 lbs than Dricus. Dricus has a much bigger and taller fram where even at 185 lbs, he fights officially at 215 lbs. Since that fight, he is now much bigger, stronger and also his neck is much thicker. Also, fighters evolve especially when they go from being very young to getting to their prime and maturity starts to take over in their prime. Soldic lost and got finished just recently by a highly mediocre 15-7 fighter in 1 of his 3 fights (lost to Ben Askren, of all people) just recently at ONE while Dricus at 185 lbs evolved especially since his nose surgery where his cardio became night/day as he ran through the division so far.

Does not mean Soldic cannot beat Dricus today. Just saying no one can draw conclusions from a fight that took place 8 - 9 years ago.

 

[Osculater]

DDP will beat Soldic again by double penetration KO

 

[Reapzz]

What the fuck is a blunt? Can one snort it?

 

[Koro_11]

And Dricus finished him in the first fight. Means absolutely nothing in today's standing for both. Let's look at the facts. I don't think you are aware, Dricus was dehydrating himself like crazy to fight at a lower weight class at 170 lbs and chin is the first thing to go. This loss is exactly the reason why it was his last ever fight at 170 lbs. Completely apples to oranges considering Soldic is shorter and smaller frame who is more natural at 170 lbs than Dricus. Dricus has a much bigger and taller fram where even at 185 lbs, he fights officially at 215 lbs. Since that fight, he is now much bigger, stronger and also his neck is much thicker. Also, fighters evolve especially when they go from being very young to getting to their prime and maturity starts to take over in their prime. Soldic lost and got finished just recently by a highly mediocre 15-7 fighter in 1 of his 3 fights (lost to Ben Askren, of all people) just recently at ONE while Dricus at 185 lbs evolved especially since his nose surgery where his cardio became night/day as he ran through the division so far.

Does not mean Soldic cannot beat Dricus today. Just saying no one can draw conclusions from a fight that took place 8 - 9 years ago.

I agree with most of what you say, but I find it funny how when describing Dricus' improvement you go into a lot of details, but when describing their first fight you ignore all details and just say "Dricus finished him in the first fight".

Yes, he finished him in the first fight, any noob who goes on fight finder can look that up. But he also got dropped and was getting pieced up in that first fight before catching him with with a check left hook. When you add up both their fights the two of them spent about 20 minutes in the cage together, and I think it's safe to say that Soldic got the better of Dricus for the vast majority of those 20 minutes.

Anyway, I'm not trying to argue that Soldic beats him today, but do believe he's a very difficult stylistic matchup for him and he's the type of fighter that the UFC MW division simply doesn't have. No one in the current UFC 185 division has that type of stopping power and aggressive offence that Soldic brings, he's crazy offensive like Dricus, but with more powerful strikes. It's obvious pitter patter strikers like Strickland are not gonna beat Dricus, it will take a real heavy hitter like Soldic, or maybe a stronger grappler like Khamzat.

 

[Nihongi]

He simply has terrible TDD, it's like the elephant in the room that somehow Sherdog ignores. Even a gassed Khamzat will take him down at will. DDP is a great overall fighter and everything but this is simply not a competitive fight, it will be a steamrolling.

Shogun was a great fighter but he wasn't going to match up with Jones, period. Fitch was a great fighter but he had zero path to victory against GSP. Aldo wasn't going to outstrike prime Conor. Styles make fights, and especially when you're talking about a truly elite talent like Khamzat.

 

[fortheo]

I agree with most of what you say, but I find it funny how when describing Dricus' improvement you go into a lot of details, but when describing their first fight you ignore all details and just say "Dricus finished him in the first fight".

Yes, he finished him in the first fight, any noob who goes on fight finder can look that up. But he also got dropped and was getting pieced up in that first fight before catching him with with a check left hook. When you add up both their fights the two of them spent about 20 minutes in the cage together, and I think it's safe to say that Soldic got the better of Dricus for the vast majority of those 20 minutes.

Anyway, I'm not trying to argue that Soldic beats him today, but do believe he's a very difficult stylistic matchup for him and he's the type of fighter that the UFC MW division simply doesn't have. No one in the current UFC 185 division has that type of stopping power and aggressive offence that Soldic brings, he's crazy offensive like Dricus, but with more powerful strikes. It's obvious pitter patter strikers like Strickland are not gonna beat Dricus, it will take a real heavy hitter like Soldic, or maybe a stronger grappler like Khamzat.

Getting the better of someone for the majority of the minutes they fight is usually a decent indicator that they're the better fighter, unless we're talking about guys like DDP, whose career is littered with losing minutes and rounds until he finishes his opponent brutally. Dricus doesn't really fight for points or to win minutes -- he fights to exhaust and finish his opponents -- so to look at his fights the way you're looking at them doesn't really work here in my opinion.

I agree with your last paragraph, though.

 

[Koro_11]

Getting the better of someone for the majority of the minutes they fight is usually a decent indicator that they're the better fighter, unless we're talking about guys like DDP, whose career is littered with losing minutes and rounds until he finishes his opponent brutally. Dricus doesn't really fight for points or to win minutes -- he fights to exhaust and finish his opponents -- so to look at his fights the way you're looking at them doesn't really work here in my opinion.

I agree with your last paragraph, though.

That's true, but none of those other guys were dropping him or managed to finish him. Dricus gets away with that style against the pillow fisted UFC MW's, but if Pereira was still in his division I don't think it would go too well for him.

 

[Captain Insano]

Great! Dricus sucks! Because he lost before!

 

[fortheo]

That's true, but none of those other guys were dropping him or managed to finish him. Dricus gets away with that style against the pillow fisted UFC MW's, but if Pereira was still in his division I don't think it would go too well for him.

Pereira was just scared so shitless of a takedown from a guy with zero submissions ever. Dricus averages far more takedowns than ankalaev, and has finished like 12 guys with subs. It would depend on whether Pereira remembers he can punch or not.

 

[Koro_11]

Great! Dricus sucks! Because he lost before!

Yeah, cause that was the point of my thread dummy.

 

[MigitAs]

What the fuck is a blunt? Can one snort it?

It’s like a pipe, a weapon.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Soldic is tough and DDP bodied him in the first but DDP has also stepped it up since in quality and success...Soldic not nearly as much

 

[Fact Checker]

It’s funny how DDP beats 3 broken counterpunchers who’ve all been finished and everyone glazes him like the second coming of Anderson lol.


Same dude that repeatedly got dropped like a back of potatoes by Brad Tavares and 40 year old Brunson. Just incredibly sloppy and predictable.

He’s just another guy who came up at the right time. Alex was gone, Izzy had been broken since his fights with Alex, Whits a tentative counterpuncher since getting lapped by Izzy, and he couldn’t do anything to Strick in 10 rounds lol.

Get this weirdo outta here.

 

[BigTruck]

I can see why you ignore context, you don't even know what the fuck you're replying to... go back and read what I'm referring to, you weren't talking about Dricus you were talking about Kadestam.

You're ignoring facts to meet you lame agenda and are wrong and refuse to accept it but it's cool.

 

[Koro_11]

You're ignoring facts to meet you lame agenda and are wrong and refuse to accept it but it's cool.

Lame agenda?

Dude, look at my post history before every Duplessis fight, I rooted for him against every one of his UFC opponents, never had a single bad thing to say about the guy. There is no fucken agenda in saying that there is a guy out there who was and possibly still is a stylistic nightmare matchup for him.

 

[Harlekin]

Soldic is a good fighter, too bad that knockout loss set him back.
Now would be a great time to be in the UFC, he is in his prime right now at 30 and younger than DDP.
Too bad the UFC wants the african market so bad, they won't endanger DDP for some lesser known Croatian.

He's a technical powerpuncher with enough ground game against DDP:
Packs even more power but throws tighter punches.
Often swings for the bleachers, which is why he overextends and can be countered. Like that neat left hook from DDP.

If their KSW welterweight versions fight each other 10 times, I got Soldic 7 times. But now it's a completely different ball game.

Good thread btw. Sherdog needs more of this and less, money, hair, casuals

 

[188912345]

especially since his nose surgery where his cardio became night/day as he ran through the division so far.

I think the optics of his cardio improved way more than his actual cardio did.

He still had great cardio while motuhbreathing, rounds 2 and 3 vs Tavares showed that clearly. His output in that fight was ridiculous.