International Douglas Murray goes off on Joe Rogan and Dave Smith for platforming holocaust revisionists

Why are we always hear about these alternate takes on the holocaust? I mean, I thought the Germans kept meticulous records and documented nearly everything. My friends dad was with a regiment that liberated one of the camps in WW2, he had pictures.
they quite literally did. the consensus on the story of the holocaust is the consensus for a reason.
 
They need to do from here on out what they did to Terence Howard after his epiphany.

Have an expert there to explain what the novice is trying to say…
Genuinely curious if you thought that erin weinstein was actually trying to explain what Terrance Howard was saying.

Was there a second Terrance and Erik episode? I made myself sit through a couple hours of one of them, and it was pretty clear that everyone involved was just grifting. There was nothing of substance actually communicated. Terrence doubled down on his absolute nonsense and Erik fluffed him while constantly trying to gently nudge the conversation toward his own biases and interests - "im the badboy of academia. All these bought and paid for shills can't handle my genius. Etc etc.
 
Genuinely curious if you thought that erin weinstein was actually trying to explain what Terrance Howard was saying.

Was there a second Terrance and Erik episode? I made myself sit through a couple hours of one of them, and it was pretty clear that everyone involved was just grifting. There was nothing of substance actually communicated. Terrence doubled down on his absolute nonsense and Erik fluffed him while constantly trying to gently nudge the conversation toward his own biases and interests - "im the badboy of academia. All these bought and paid for shills can't handle my genius. Etc etc.
i feel like around 2017, we all kinda realized that there was no sort of insight to be taken from a joe rogan podcast. it's all funny retards, snake oil salesmen, and crackpots.
 
I found that quite interesting, but I don't think it's particularly complex.

The right has embraced that fringe 10 % - the contrarian sector, and platformed their views endlessly.

Now, as the English guy says, those views get parroted by non-contrarian types who just haven't thought it through to conclusion.

As much as the right thinks the left is whackadoodle for embracing women and trans, have you heard some of the shit the intellectual refugees they're harbouring come out with? Totally insane to embrace holocaust denial and a bunch of redneck CTards.
Both sides of the political spectrum should be able to call out lunatics on “their side”. That includes supporters of trans ideology and holocaust deniers.
 
trans ideology is what, exactly? acknowledging that they exist?
Trans ideology means believing that biological sex is malleable. It isn’t. A man who has his penis removed can never be a woman, only a neutered man.

People who think they can change their sex exist, yes. They are not correct, and encouraging their confusion is not helpful to them.
 
Trans ideology means believing that biological sex is malleable. It isn’t. A man who has his penis removed can never be a woman, only a neutered man.

People who think they can change their sex exist, yes. They are not correct, and encouraging their confusion is not helpful to them.
i mean, i don't know if you know this, but you're just factually wrong about sex AND gender. i would jump to the chromosome thing if i were you.
 
I might have to give this a listen. Haven't downloaded a JRE in a long time, but this could be interesting.

IMO, Dave is very good on Isreal/Palestine. Not good or well informed on much else, but very good on this particular topic.
 
I watched the whole thing so you don't have to

cliffs: Murray is a paid shill, Rogan does everything he can to protect his buddy. Dave Smith doesn't win a debate here, all he does is defend his position as a comedian (effectively but clumsily) and defend his big bro Rogan against a bad faith actor with a clear agenda
 
Murray's point seems to be more or less "You can't platform X or Y because dumb people will latch onto it as gospel." So let's imagine a bunch of low functioning people believe the holocaust numbers were fudged up. OK, what happens? Nothing. These people literally support the party of blank checks to Israel. Let's say Rogan refuses to platform certain types of people, he'll just platform other kinds of weirdos. Or he doesn't and they migrate to mysteriously-still-in-business Alex Jones. If the dumb people are really so dumb that they'll believe literally anything, they'll just latch onto the next stupid idea they hear on another subject entirely. It's impossible and undesirable to put idea guard rails on an entire society (read: handicap an entire society) because the lower end of the bell curve exists and is doing their thing. This world is already insufferable as it is, last thing we need is to turn it from daycare-adjacent to full-blown daycare. Restrictions to free speech to stop serious things like calls to violence already exist. If people want to believe birds are fake and have cameras to spy on them it really doesn't matter, like at all.
 
The consensus from people that support Palestine is that Murray got obliterated.

The consensus from people that support Israel is that Dave got obliterated.

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Nobody got crushed

Murray if you boil it down was saying flirting with the edges of this discussion on large platforms is going to let in truly shitty people and we’ll have to waste time swatting at flies.

Smith doesn’t want us to get involved in this stuff

It was just going round and round on that
 
Nobody got crushed

Murray if you boil it down was saying flirting with the edges of this discussion on large platforms is going to let in truly shitty people and we’ll have to waste time swatting at flies.

Smith doesn’t want us to get involved in this stuff

It was just going round and round on that

I'm honestly disappointed in both men. The points they made sounded like something you'd hear at the average lunch room at work. I expected some more nuanced takes.
 
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