Dont Hear Much About Spain

[Busgosu]

technically it's not, but culturally it essentially is. if you've been, you'd see what i mean.

It is not, they have cultural ties and at some points in history the basque country and Navarra were the same region (The Kingdom of Navarra actually pre-dates the existance of the basque country and it was actually Navarra who had the basque country under their wing and not the other way around), but it's not anymore and has not been for a while. However, from the nationalist sector in the basque country they normally try to unilaterally adhere Navarra to the basque country which is something the people from Navarra reject. If you can read Spanish you can find a lot info on this topic if you look in Spanish newspapers:
https://www.abc.es/espana/abci-gobierno-foral-recurre-decreto-vasco-incluye-navarra-euskal-herria-200711270300-1641429171427_noticia.html?ref=https://www.abc.es/espana/abci-gobierno-foral-recurre-decreto-vasco-incluye-navarra-euskal-herria-200711270300-1641429171427_noticia.html

 

[Zer]

Mostly know them for producing unbelievable footballers

 

[Cajun]

I don't like Hemingway, but several of his books were set in Spain.

For Whom the Bell Tolls
Death in the Afternoon
The Dangerous Summer
The Garden of Eden

maybe others

I only read the sun also rises and loved it. But it's more that his life was like a movie. He is one of my heroes just based on his life.

 

[Sonny Qc]

Been there. Beautiful women everywhere. Lots of drinking.

well, looks like a paradise to me.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Severely underrated cuisine. I've never been to a tapas restaurant that wasn't amazing.

Should be up there with French and Italian cuisine as the best in Europe.

 

[SirRealKiller]

The Spanish broke my people for hundreds of years.

Then the white man finished the job…

1680 was a great year though, good times.

You realize Spanish people are white, right?

 

[syct23]

You realize Spanish people are white, right?

House white, or Field white?

 

[SirRealKiller]

I don't think you hear a lot about Spain in the US just because Spain is not really involved in much. It's a vacation spot, sure, nice country and all of that but they're really not involved in world affairs much and you don't run into a lot of people from Spain in the US.

 

[SirRealKiller]

House white, or Field white?

Spanish people are white people, period. Just like Italians from Sicily are white. Just like Portuguese are white. Genetically and cultually they are white. I don't even know what you are trying to get at.

 

[Satur9]

Yeah, I wouldn't go to Barcelona if what Im looking for is white people. It's been a shithole for the last 20 years and only getting worse

I dug it, and noticed mostly whiteys around where I was at. I will have to bow to your expertise though. It is your land.

Spanish people are white people, period. Just like Italians from Sicily are white. Just like Portuguese are white. Genetically and cultually they are white. I don't even know what you are trying to get at.

Someone watched one too many youtube videos like "10 Spanish words white people cannot pronounce." Ummm, about that.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

I went to Spain once -- very fun and vibrant place. I felt the food was mediocre at best (lukewarm deli meats and a lot of mayo), but enjoyed myself a lot. I've attached a photo I took while I was there.

 

[syct23]

Spanish people are white people, period. Just like Italians from Sicily are white. Just like Portuguese are white. Genetically and cultually they are white. I don't even know what you are trying to get at.

i guess it makes sense that they would be white considering Italians conquered Sicily, Portugal and eventually most of Spain.

After the fall of the Roman Empire and the eventual conquest of the Moors over Spain for 800 years, what percentage of blood quantity do you think transferred over that time period?

The Spanish that came over to the Americas were not the same Spanish that were conquered by the white/latin Italians..

 

[Jesus X]

Mostly know them for producing unbelievable footballers

This is because they have amazing youth academies like la masia in barça. The reason the u.s we are mediocre in the MLS is because we don't have good great youth academies the MLS now has money to attract foreign talent but they need a system like la masia.

 

[Jesus X]

You realize Spanish people are white, right?

They have north African dna too like morrocan and algerian so I wouldn't call them completely white.

 

[TeTe]

1) Spain does not have a problem with foreign people. Not any more than any other european country.
2) Tourism represents 12% of the GDP in Spain. It's not as much an impact as people seem to think abroad. There are 17 autonomous regions in Spain, the economy of each is widely different and some are more dependant on tourism than others:

While the tourism impact on the global GDP in Spain is of 11,6%, it can be has high as 44,8% on the balearic islands with over 30% of jobs related to it and as low as 6,9% in Madrid, with barely a 7% of jobs...
3) The main issue is not that all of a sudden Spanish people don't like foreigners or tourism. The thing is that the tourism model has been shifting towards the airbnb model.
4) People in Spain prefer to live downtown. It's a cultural thing. Around 82% of the population live in urban areas. People live in flats and walk everywhere, because of convenience, because they like to go to the bar across the street, they prefer not spending over 30 mins to get to the workplace, blablabla. It's the quality of life here and how people live period.
5) Due to this and the steady increase of population of the last 30 years (see graphic below), with currently over 48 million people total...housing is an issue, specially in big cities and the islands.

6) Because of the explosion of airbnb and similar flats the housing costs in these places have skyrocketed and speculation has gone rampant. Some have seen their monthly rent grow in some cases over 100% overnight.

7) The impact on GDP of these tourism flats and new business model is minimal. No direct jobs, no impact on what people spend in local commerce/restaurants,etc... since these visitors buy at the grocery store, cook and drink at these apartments and that's it.

So, I leave it to all of you guys to put 2 and 2 together and come to a conclusion.

Werent there protests recently because of over tourism in Spain?

Which to me is funny cause I'm sure the majority of people that were protesting have been tourists in foreign countries before.

 

[Jesus X]

House white, or Field white?

Field white I would consider the Irish whiter than spaniards and italians.

 

[syct23]

Field white I would consider the Irish whiter than spaniards and italians.

Slainte!!

 

[pugilistico]

Spanish women are beautiful with sexy accents and very friendly.

 

[SirRealKiller]

They have north African dna too like morrocan and algerian so I wouldn't call them completely white.

So do many Italians. My grandma could grow an Afro. But they are genetically white.

Spanish people are mostly of indo-European genetics. The further toward Portugal you go the higher North African influence. But even then it's a pretty small % of the genetic makeup. Plus, while North Africa tended to toward more brown skinned people the Berbers also had a lot of white skinned, blond and blue eyed people too. So when you consider that mixing of genetics, it wasn't always the typical brown featured genetics that were being mixed in from North Africa. Heck, even today you see a lot of very white looking north Africans, wasn't a lot different in a lot of eras. And yeah, there were also very dark skinned people in North Africa too but just saying that the influx of genes wasn't all from darker skinned folks. Most of it was actually of complexions that were marginally darker than you're typical European to the point where the resulting kids probably would still look pretty white. Not many cultures in Europe can claim to be pure Caucasian. The Norse people maybe being the exception or closest to one as possible.

The the issue with it is that Europeans traveled all over the place too picking up genes here and there.

Also, the idea of Sub-Saharan genetics in Italy and Spain isn't really well supported by genetic studies. So the genetics mixed in would have varied a lot but mostly between Caucasian looking folks and more Arab looking folks or people of mixed heritage. Sure there was probably some sub-Saharan influence but genetically it appears to be very small compared to the Arab influence.

 

[SirRealKiller]

i guess it makes sense that they would be white considering Italians conquered Sicily, Portugal and eventually most of Spain.

After the fall of the Roman Empire and the eventual conquest of the Moors over Spain for 800 years, what percentage of blood quantity do you think transferred over that time period?

The Spanish that came over to the Americas were not the same Spanish that were conquered by the white/latin Italians..

Hard to know exactly.

Prior to the Romans the Spanish people probably were very white looking like French people as central European people did come into Spain prior to Romans. Now the Romans themselves would have been mostly very white looking themselves. Then after Rome fell the Visigoths conquered Spain and they were white Germanic people. The Moors who were Arabs, came in when a civil war broke out among the Visigoths and conquered Spain but Berbers also came with them them who many of were white people too. Then later the Vikings began to raid Spain too and Christians who were mostly white as well. Then Arabs again.

The Spanish that went to the Americas were pretty similar genetically to the Spanish people today. But there was a constant influx of Caucasian and Arab genetics going back and forth in Spain once Rome fell. So while there's definitely an Arab influence genetically, it's relatively small compared to the total genetics. They were white genetically before Rome fell , added in some Arab genetics but also added in more white genetics along the way too. By time they went to the Americas they were pretty white looking while tending to be darker eyed and darker haired and not so pale.

I mean even today if you showed a picture of some Spanish people to a wide range of people they would probably tell you they're white people just looking at them. Sort of like not all black people have the same tone and some Arab people even look kinda white. There are variations. Heck, Native people here in the US definitely look different deepening on the tribe.