Dont Hear Much About Spain

GSP_37 said:
1. Recently on the news, the locals there were anti-tourism, which really seems immature and dumb because if that's what drives your economy, what do you think should take tourism's place? Do you expect Santa Claus to give you spending money?

2. Two separate nude beach volleyball videos had the same very hot, very fit fully nude woman and in one video, you could see the name of the resort or restaurant and I think it's in Spain.
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1. What really is immature and dumb is giving an uneducated (and wrong) take on this topic.
 
GSP_37 said:
1. Recently on the news, the locals there were anti-tourism, which really seems immature and dumb because if that's what drives your economy, what do you think should take tourism's place? Do you expect Santa Claus to give you spending money?

2. Two separate nude beach volleyball videos had the same very hot, very fit fully nude woman and in one video, you could see the name of the resort or restaurant and I think it's in Spain.
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people usually don't like outsiders, if the tourism isn't directly benefitting the people who are saying this then it's just nature.

One of the biggest complaints in the US and Europe is the influx of outsiders, legal or illegal. Humans have a fear of outsiders of all kinds. In the case of tourists, even if it's not fear it'll be dislike.
 
mozfonky said:
people usually don't like outsiders, if the tourism isn't directly benefitting the people who are saying this then it's just nature.

One of the biggest complaints in the US and Europe is the influx of outsiders, legal or illegal. Humans have a fear of outsiders of all kinds. In the case of tourists, even if it's not fear it'll be dislike.
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There's the same shit here and the economy is tourism. The locals are like they liked it better during COVID so they could have the beaches, the hiking spots, parking all to themselves. I think some of them also said they aren't benefitting from tourism, but they are dumb. After the wildfire disaster when the celebs went online telling people to stay away, the economy dried up and people didn't have jobs or income. When other countries wanted to spend money building telescopes and jobs for researchers, they poo poo'd that too. There used to be some fast hydrofoil ferry and that also poo poo'd and left to some other state.
 
Country was mentioned around here due to anti tourist protests in barcelona

Only thing i wondered is how many countries did protesters visit this year?
 
GSP_37 said:
There's the same shit here and the economy is tourism. The locals are like they liked it better during COVID so they could have the beaches, the hiking spots, parking all to themselves. I think some of them also said they aren't benefitting from tourism, but they are dumb. After the wildfire disaster when the celebs went online telling people to stay away, the economy dried up and people didn't have jobs or income. When other countries wanted to spend money building telescopes and jobs for researchers, they poo poo'd that too. There used to be some fast hydrofoil ferry and that also poo poo'd and left to some other state.
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where?

If it's not beneffiting people enough to where they can understand they need it, then, of course they will be hostile. that's just human nature. Just look how neighbors and coworkers get along, ya, they need each other but they really often don't like each other much.

There's a lot to fear from outsiders and there's also a lot to not like. From coming in and taking something that doesn't really belong to them to their different cultures and ways of thinking. Humans are territorial as hell.
 
1) Spain does not have a problem with foreign people. Not any more than any other european country.
2) Tourism represents 12% of the GDP in Spain. It's not as much an impact as people seem to think abroad. There are 17 autonomous regions in Spain, the economy of each is widely different and some are more dependant on tourism than others:
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While the tourism impact on the global GDP in Spain is of 11,6%, it can be has high as 44,8% on the balearic islands with over 30% of jobs related to it and as low as 6,9% in Madrid, with barely a 7% of jobs...
3) The main issue is not that all of a sudden Spanish people don't like foreigners or tourism. The thing is that the tourism model has been shifting towards the airbnb model.
4) People in Spain prefer to live downtown. It's a cultural thing. Around 82% of the population live in urban areas. People live in flats and walk everywhere, because of convenience, because they like to go to the bar across the street, they prefer not spending over 30 mins to get to the workplace, blablabla. It's the quality of life here and how people live period.
5) Due to this and the steady increase of population of the last 30 years (see graphic below), with currently over 48 million people total...housing is an issue, specially in big cities and the islands.
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6) Because of the explosion of airbnb and similar flats the housing costs in these places have skyrocketed and speculation has gone rampant. Some have seen their monthly rent grow in some cases over 100% overnight.
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7) The impact on GDP of these tourism flats and new business model is minimal. No direct jobs, no impact on what people spend in local commerce/restaurants,etc... since these visitors buy at the grocery store, cook and drink at these apartments and that's it.

So, I leave it to all of you guys to put 2 and 2 together and come to a conclusion.
 
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The two times I was in Barcelona and Ibiza wish I could stay there longer. Beautiful place to visit everyone was super chill at least in my experience. Beautiful women everywhere like mosquitos in the Midwest summer.
 
Busgosu said:
1) Spain does not have a problem with foreign people. Not any more than any other european country.
2) Tourism represents 12% of the GDP in Spain. It's not as much an impact as people seem to think abroad. There are 17 autonomous regions in Spain, the economy of each is widely different and some are more dependant on tourism than others:
Grafico_INDICADORES_2024-JUL.jpg


While the tourism impact on the global GDP in Spain is of 11,6%, it can be has high as 44,8% on the balearic islands with over 30% of jobs related to it and as low as 6,9% in Madrid, with barely a 7% of jobs...
3) The main issue is not that all of a sudden Spanish people don't like foreigners or tourism. The thing is that the tourism model has been shifting towards the airbnb model.
4) People in Spain prefer to live downtown. It's a cultural thing. Around 82% of the population live in urban areas. People live in flats and walk everywhere, because of convenience, because they like to go to the bar across the street, they prefer not spending over 30 mins to get to the workplace, blablabla. It's the quality of life here and how people live full stop.
5) Due to this and the steady increase of population of the last 30 years (see graphic below), with currently over 48 million people total...housing is an issue, specially in big cities and the islands.
51y6djsyawqu2p9z26x2mxfy8i9c3wf.png

6) Because of the explosion of airbnb and similar flats the housing costs in these places have skyrocketed and speculation has gone rampant. Some have seen their monthly rent grow in some cases over 100% overnight.
image-81.png

7) The impact on GDP of these tourism flats and new business model is minimal. No direct jobs, no impact on what people spend in local commerce since these visitors buy at the grocery store, cook and drink at these apartments and that's it.

So, I leave it to all of you guys to put 2 and 2 together and come to a conclusion.
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Busgosu said:
yep, Chao is a Galician surname. Here's the thing with galicians: when you find one on a staircase you never know if they're going up or down.
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do you bring them home or just leave them there?
 
lsa said:
do you bring them home or just leave them there?
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lol just leave them so they make up their own mind, they're stubborn as hell. They're great people tho, by far the most similar to us asturians which is not surprising since we're right next to each other and share cultural heritage and all; "Gallegos y Asturianos, primos hermanos" is commonly said around here.
They however have produced some of the most despicable Spanish humans in history, such as Franco, Fidel Castro... and Manu Chao, lmao
 
Busgosu said:
1) Spain does not have a problem with foreign people. Not any more than any other european country.
2) Tourism represents 12% of the GDP in Spain. It's not as much an impact as people seem to think abroad.
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Guess people confuse Barcelona situation as if whole Spain is same
Like here we have Venezia and maybe Firenze being problematic, but Italy as a whole is fine with it

We have big problem in big cities on rent side but tourism/airBnB have little to do with it, and people complaining are ones with no understanding on how to play the game, like they starve themselves to stick to rented apartment inside city super pricy area then cry they have no saving to start buy house, yet they will not move just outside the city where they can spend like half and save some

I'm born "poor" so it's not like i don't understand the struggle, but i've hard time sympathize with loud people that can't help themselves from do retarded shit lol
 
Bacco said:
Guess people confuse Barcelona situation as if whole Spain is same
Like here we have Venezia and maybe Firenze being problematic, but Italy as a whole is fine with it

We have big problem in big cities on rent side but tourism/airBnB have little to do with it, and people complaining are ones with no understanding on how to play the game, like they starve themselves to stick to rented apartment inside city super pricy area then cry they have no saving to start buy house, yet they will not move just outside the city where they can spend like half and save some

I'm born "poor" so it's not like i don't understand the struggle, but i've hard time sympathize with loud people that can't help themselves from do retarded shit lol
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Well, the whole housing issue in Spain is more complex that what I explained also other factors are involved, including as you mentioned younger people having different sets of priorities in life, like neeeding to spend 1k+ on an iphone and such... but I only wanted to be specific with the the tourism impact on it
 
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Cajun said:
Hemingway wrote a book called the Sun Also Rises about a group of friends traveling from Paris to Pamplona. Always wanted to visit
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I don't like Hemingway, but several of his books were set in Spain.

For Whom the Bell Tolls
Death in the Afternoon
The Dangerous Summer
The Garden of Eden

maybe others


lsa said:
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