Don't call it a comeback (karate in UFC) adesanya, GSP, Jones, crocop?

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Fixed.




TKD and Tang Soo Do came about from the same WW2-ish origins. Chicken / egg debates rage on.


Similar to Okinawan karate, TKD came from exposure to the Japanese karate of the early twentieth century combined with the indigenous korean arts. Latter which also had some undetermined influence from neighboring China.

MMA forums love to rehash. The base principles underlying TKD parallel that of the Japanese karates, most prominently Shotokan by all appearances.

Cheers if true.
Nothing to do with the forums though, was told that it was based off Shotokan when I was practically a kid by my instructor in a tma (shorin ryu?) and after that by tkd guys.

 

[KarateStylist]

Cheers if true.
Nothing to do with the forums though, was told that it was based off Shotokan when I was practically a kid by my instructor in a tma (shorin ryu?) and after that by tkd guys.

More or less. As the the Japanese extended their interests in Korea, they traveled to Asia pre-WW2, then WW2 of course.

The interesting aspect of that exposure is that the Korean martial artists readily latched on to the Japanese karate concepts & molded their thinking to it's base. Unlike 'evolved' MMA which did the reverse. Americans approach karate like snowflakes or tough guys. Un-thinking ones.

 

[KarateStylist]

that's just what they tell the Fanboys

if you know what you're looking at it's clear that JJ is all about the karate style kicking

Taught by whom?

 

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As a kid growing up in Hawaii and South Africa I absolutely loved fighting karate (Ashihara/Kyokushin)
...in the 80s karate dominated

Later on I discovered Muay Thai and thought it was the coolest thing ever until MMA hit in 1993

Clearly Muay Thai dominated the late 80s and early 90s and I would suggest it is considered the ultimate striking style for MMA.

I think that's why it's so interesting to see fighting karate style kicking making a big comeback.

GSP, Israel Adesanya, Mirko Cro Cop, Jon Jones plus Lyoto Machida just to name a few use a karate style kicking techniques.

This is most evident in the way they plant their base foot.

Muay Thai teachers athletes to rise up on the ball of the foot throughout the entire kicking process.





In contrast karate and taekwondo
keep a flat base foot with the heel usually on the floor or with a tiny raise on big pivots.





So is karate/taekwondo [non muaythai striking] making a UFC comeback or are these athletes just using a hybrid style of Muay Thai kicking modified for MMA?

who else kicks like this in the UFC??

I don’t think anybody but Rogan talks about teakwondo kicking in the ufc.

I went Karate, Taekwondo, Muay Thai then boxing/wrestling when I started mma and some bjj.

But even when i quit I was still primarily a striker in my style.

 

[M.A.G.A.]

Karate is by far the greatest martial art of all time

 

[-guerilla-]

That is not Karate anymore

Actually it IS karate

what we cinsider "karate" today is not karate anymore

 

[-guerilla-]

Taught by whom?

Who cares...I'm just smart enough to know karate when I see it

There's only a microscopic fraction of real Muay Thai in America

Most American karate schools that were smart switched to Muay Thai after the kickboxer movie

What you mostly see is karate stylist doing a muay thai impression

Real Karate is better for MMA anyway

American karate is 90% garbage

American point karate may be the worst offender of all

 

[-guerilla-]

I don’t think anybody but Rogan talks about teakwondo kicking in the ufc.

I went Karate, Taekwondo, Muay Thai then boxing/wrestling when I started mma and some bjj.

But even when i quit I was still primarily a striker in my style.

If you grew up in the States you were taught a muay thai impression from a karate stylist in 95% of the cases

There were a tiny fraction of American "PKA" kickboxing gyms and nothing but karate /Taekwondo before the movie kickboxer

It's not like a bunch of Thai coaches came over to the states and opened muay thai gyms these are karate Converts

 

[-guerilla-]

Karate is by far the greatest martial art of all time

It absolutely may be

Except for what we did to it....

 

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Karate stylists virtually always kick with a flat base foot whereas thai stylists nearly always rise up on the ball of their base foot when they kick above the waist

this is a fundamental difference you can notice between the two Styles plus thai stylists will virtually never Sidekick or spinning Sidekick much less wheel kicks

One of the most obvious differences is The Change-Up kick and crescent kick

Thai stylists virtually never throw changeup kicks or cresent kicks

whereas they are a staple of karate stylists

this should be striking 101

 

[-guerilla-]

Heres a guy with a 90% karate style

 

[KarateStylist]

Who cares...I'm just smart enough to know karate when I see it

There's only a microscopic fraction of real Muay Thai in America

Most American karate schools that were smart switched to Muay Thai after the kickboxer movie

What you mostly see is karate stylist doing a muay thai impression

Real Karate is better for MMA anyway

American karate is 90% garbage

American point karate may be the worst offender of all

Problem solved. And who's on top of it. YOU.

 

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If you grew up in the States you were taught a muay thai impression from a karate stylist in 95% of the cases

There were a tiny fraction of American "PKA" kickboxing gyms and nothing but karate /Taekwondo before the movie kickboxer

It's not like a bunch of Thai coaches came over to the states and opened muay thai gyms these are karate Converts

I did karate and taekwondo in the states and Muay Thai in KL and Bangkok when I lived in those places

I’ve been to Lumpinee many times. Then moved back to the states when mma was just starting.

 

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Karate stylists virtually always kick with a flat base foot whereas thai stylists nearly always rise up on the ball of their base foot when they kick above the waist

this is a fundamental difference you can notice between the two Styles plus thai stylists will virtually never Sidekick or spinning Sidekick much less wheel kicks

One of the most obvious differences is The Change-Up kick and crescent kick

Thai stylists virtually never throw changeup kicks or cresent kicks

whereas they are a staple of karate stylists

this should be striking 101

I don’t know about TODAY, as I haven’t practiced or watched REAL Muay Thai in quite some time now, but in Thailand you used to see some side kick variation and spinning back side kick variation a lot in competition.

I have some old videos from Lumpinee I need to dig up and upload somehow that have those kicks quite a bit.

And I’m not talking about Farangs doing it, but Thai

 

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@Guerilla

What you want to look for is (I might have fucked up some spelling , I haven’t trained real MT in a long time now)

Te tat(round house variation)
Te klap Lang (as I remeber all spinning shit was called this, there might be more names for each spinnng kick, heel kick , hook kick whatever. But I remeber everyone calling all spinning shit this or close to it. Google it I’m to lazy too)

Te tad (side kick).



And fuck you, this thread is making me want Worlds Best Chicken now.

 

[-guerilla-]

@Guerilla

What you want to look for is (I might have fucked up some spelling , I haven’t trained real MT in a long time now)

Te tat(round house variation)
Te klap Lang (as I remeber all spinning shit was called this, there might be more names for each spinnng kick, heel kick , hook kick whatever. But I remeber everyone calling all spinning shit this or close to it. Google it I’m to lazy too)

Te tad (side kick).



And fuck you, this thread is making me want Worlds Best Chicken now.

LOL I feel your pain I was raised in a tropical paradise and now I live in the states

You've made a good point but these sidekick variations are used in about 1% of Muay Thai matches however are literally every other kick in karate

 

[-guerilla-]

Problem solved. And who's on top of it. YOU.

I think it's pretty obvious to anybody that knows what they're looking at

those are adorable cartoons

 

[90 50]

LOL I feel your pain I was raised in a tropical paradise and now I live in the states

You've made a good point but these sidekick variations are used in about 1% of Muay Thai matches however are literally every other kick in karate

Maybe now, but like I said just about every match at Lumpinee back in the day you saw them.

Did you watch the video I posted??