Don't call it a comeback (karate in UFC) adesanya, GSP, Jones, crocop?

[Portland8242]

I think Karate was overlooked for a long time and most MMA fighters are too adapted to defend/expect muay thai style striking and that's why more and more fighters have success with Karate striking now. I enjoy the comeback and hope that Karate establishes itself in MMA. I love the Blitz style of Wonderboy and Cejudo is also very good at it.

In the earlier days when fighters were seeing Anderson Silva and Jose Aldo obliterating guys with Muay Thai style striking, they eventually adapted to it.

Silva and Aldo eventually moved towards a hybridized style that included a lot of boxing fundementals.

 

[laleggenda27]

As has already been stated, MMA is the ultimate hybrid sport. But just because a fighter occasionally throws kicks with a flat plant foot doesn't mean he's a karateka. And Jones is certainly not a karateka; in fact, when he fought Lyoto, he explicitly stated that he doesn't think that karate can be his muay thai style.

 

[Mortal Wombat]

For the most part TMA aren't very useful in MMA but someone that masters Tkd/Karate kicks with the perfect distance is a nightmare. Kicks produce more power than punches.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

So no rebuttal, classic sherdog

???

It's literally tattooed on his head

 

[Thenewguysnm1]

???

It's literally tattooed on his head

What does that have to do with anything
Karate and TK are not the same

 

[Nightwish]

Michelle bless.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Crocop is TaeKwonDo, Jones is Gaidojutsu and Israel has no belt in karate.
Its like saying any fighter that throws a jab is a boxer.
Only GSP and Machida on that list are Karateka's

Where do you think TKD came from, bro?

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

What does that have to do with anything
Karate and TK are not the same

Maybe you missed the point of this thread.

 

[Blayt7hh]

What does that have to do with anything
Karate and TK are not the same

He did kempo karate

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

@Thenewguysnm1

So no rebuttal? Typical Sherdog

 

[gevoudane]

Where do you think TKD came from, bro?

TKD streamlined the older Korean martial arts of Subak (수박), Taekkyeon (택견) and Gwonbeop (권법).

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

TKD streamlined the older Korean martial arts of Subak (수박), Taekkyeon (택견) and Gwonbeop (권법).

thats a myth. It comes from karate.

 

[gevoudane]

You don’t need a belt to kick like a particular karate style though.

The thing is Karate is not the only form that kicks that way. So you dont need a belt. But if you train in another art when you throw that technique doesnt make it karate. Just like catch has arm bars but its not BJJ.

 

[gevoudane]

thats a myth. It comes from karate.

Hmmm? If thats the case then TKD comes from Kung-Fu. The oldest Karate schools in Japan taught white crane.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Hmmm? If thats the case then TKD comes from Kung-Fu. The oldest Karate schools in Japan taught white crane.

karate is a combination of kung fu and Okinawan martial arts.

 

[gevoudane]

karate is a combination of kung fu and Okinawan martial arts.

There is not just one Karate. The first was White Crane, went to Okinawa then to Japan. Then slowly evolved to the different schools we have now. But TKD doesnt evolve from that line.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

There is not just one Karate. The first was White Crane, went to Okinawa then to Japan. Then slowly evolved to the different schools we have now. But TKD doesnt evolve from that line.

tkd comes from tang so do which comes from shotokan and okinawan karate.

 

[-guerilla-]

Isn't Machida the only pure Karate guy on your list?

I'm trying to find out that's why I posted this thread

 

[-guerilla-]

As has already been stated, MMA is the ultimate hybrid sport. But just because a fighter occasionally throws kicks with a flat plant foot doesn't mean he's a karateka. And Jones is certainly not a karateka; in fact, when he fought Lyoto, he explicitly stated that he doesn't think that karate can be his muay thai style.

I would agree that none of these athletes are pure karate...

And Jones does train muay thai.

However Jones certainly does not use anything approximating a traditional muay thai style.

Especially in his stance , sidekick, spinning sidekick, Spinning backfist. Series.

Obliquekicks...honestly thats a Bruce Lee JKD influenced kicking THEORY.

Awesome!

Jon Jones is a perfect example of a hybrid style between fighting karate JKD and muay Thai

 

[YourOnlineHero]

Karate won't make a comeback. It's too late for that.

But what is happening is in line with the true spirit of MMA. The useful aspects of karate are being utilized alongside the useful aspects of other arts.

People are realising now the ultimate adaptability of "karate stance". It allows quick in and out movement, the ability to throw kicks without stepping in with the front foot and gives a good defence against takedowns. All without taking any power away from the hands.

Having a karate base isn't required to utilize karate in MMA. The only advantage I can see from a karate base in MMA is hand/wrist conditioning from punching things bare Knuckle.

I grew up training relatively "modern" karate. And even then we only used gloves for sparring. For pads and bag it was always bare fist.