Donald Trump risks China rift with Taiwan call

[WTF2008]

Had not done Adolf anything about it, germany would have ended a communist shithole flor decades.
Not sure he destroyed Germany more than the allies policies.
Feel sorry for Those 4 million german POW, the ones americans killed by starvation and stalin by torture and forced labour....

What are you even talking about?

Are you on the "Trump is literally Hitler" bandwagon?

 

[WTF2008]

Trump Speaks With Taiwan’s Leader, a Likely Affront to China
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/02/u...-leader-a-possible-affront-to-china.html?_r=0

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump spoke by telephone with Taiwan’s president on Friday, a striking break with nearly four decades of diplomatic practice that could precipitate a major rift with China even before Mr. Trump takes office.

Mr. Trump’s office said he spoke with the Taiwanese president, Tsai Ing-wen, “who offered her congratulations.”

President Tsai Ing-wen of Taiwan. Credit Ritchie B. Tongo/European Pressphoto Agency
He is believed to be the first president or president-elect who has spoken to a Taiwanese leader since 1979, when the United States severed diplomatic ties with Taiwan after its recognition of the People’s Republic of China.

In the statement, Mr. Trump’s office said the two leaders noted that “close economic, political, and security ties” exist between Taiwan and the United States. The statement also said Mr. Trump “congratulated President Tsai on becoming president of Taiwan earlier this year.”

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The White House was not told about Mr. Trump’s call until after it happened, according to a senior administration official. The official spoke on ground rules of anonymity to discuss sensitive diplomatic relations.

But the potential fallout from the conversation was significant, the administration official said, noting that the Chinese government issued a bitter protest after the United States sold weapons to Taiwan as part of a well-established arms agreement.

Mr. Trump’s call with President Tsai is a far bigger provocation, though the Chinese government did not issue an immediate response. Beijing views Taiwan as a breakaway province and has adamantly opposed the attempts of any country to open official relations with it.

Can you tell me how much money America gave Taiwan in the last 8 years?

 

[RockstarChris]

Can you tell me how much money America gave Taiwan in the last 8 years?

At least $49 for my mp3 player.

 

[Squarechoke]

We will see who has the last laugh. I don't think their prosperity and happiness (at least for people of German descent) will last but a few more generations. As a matter of fact, looking at the birth rates of the people like this (coupled with flooding immigration) and the people of German descent, their grandchildren aren't going to be in charge of their own country. They are handing the future of their future grandchildren to people that want them to convert to Islam or die.

Let's look back on this in 50 years and see if the wall and "extreme vetting" was a bad idea. I have no doubt the effects of migration right now are minor, at least in comparison to what your progeny (that is if you do reproduce) will experience.

Honestly, I hate to see these countries destroyed but it's an interesting experiment. Just glad we aren't the guinea pigs in the U.S.

https://www.rt.com/news/368777-germany-icecream-terrorist-plot-children/



This is what the inheritors of Germany think about Germans:


"Besides planning an assault on toddlers, Ö asked his fellow jihadist’s opinion if it is ok, pursuant to the norms of Islam, to rape daughters of the “unfaithful,” that is those who do not belong to the Muslim faith, “because you can rape sex slaves,” he wrote further, as cited by Die Welt."

That's much too simple of a analysis. It doesn't take into account how things change when results start to show. It doesn't factor in even the main reason why birth rates differ in various parts of the world. It pretty much only chooses to take the worst aspect and make that the norm. Many in the WR like to criticize media, but it's quite apparent that some of those only do that when media says things they don't want to hear. Those people very easily buy things that they like to hear, making them quickly show that they are very blind to the overall picture when they talk about other countries to people actually living there. I'm certainly not saying that there aren't problems, nor that they can't get worse, but one needs to look at much more to try to discern how the future will change. What seems to get pretty lost in the WR discussions is the far right wave that's going through Europe, showing some semblance to the 1930s. That's another huge factor that's hard to predict where it leads.

Looking back in 50 years isn't for us to do. We need to deal with our present and the future generation can learn from our mistakes and success. As for countries getting destroyed, while I certainly don't take the problems over here lightly, I can't help but smile when people in a country that's had clearly larger problems for a long time talking about how bad it is over here. For example, even with the horrible violent acts of Islamic extremists no European nation can come close to how much you're killing each other over there. And intentional homicide is not one of the crime statistics where definitions and way of reporting skews the numbers, like in some other crimes.

Your last section shows just the kind of selective thinking that I was referring to, as you imply that most immigrants are jihadists.

 

[WTF2008]

At least $49 for my mp3 player.

Yeah but nobody talked to them about it since 1979. America just gave them millions of dollars and sold them over a billion in weapons.

 

[RockstarChris]

Yeah but nobody talked to them about it since 1979. America just gave them millions of dollars and sold them over a billion in weapons.

Great, when the world tells you to do something and you do the opposite......I like it.

 

[Blackened]

That's much too simple of a analysis.1. It doesn't take into account how things change when results start to show. 2. It doesn't factor in even the main reason why birth rates differ in various parts of the world. It pretty much only chooses to take the worst aspect and make that the norm. Many in the WR like to criticize media, but it's quite apparent that some of those only do that when media says things they don't want to hear. Those people very easily buy things that they like to hear, making them quickly show that they are very blind to the overall picture when they talk about other countries to people actually living there. I'm certainly not saying that there aren't problems, nor that they can't get worse, but one needs to look at much more to try to discern how the future will change. 3. What seems to get pretty lost in the WR discussions is the far right wave that's going through Europe, showing some semblance to the 1930s. That's another huge factor that's hard to predict where it leads.

4. Looking back in 50 years isn't for us to do. We need to deal with our present and the future generation can learn from our mistakes and success. As for countries getting destroyed, while I certainly don't take the problems over here lightly, I can't help but smile when people in a country that's had clearly larger problems for a long time talking about how bad it is over here. 5. For example, even with the horrible violent acts of Islamic extremists no European nation can come close to how much you're killing each other over there. And intentional homicide is not one of the crime statistics where definitions and way of reporting skews the numbers, like in some other crimes.

Your last section shows just the kind of selective thinking that I was referring to, as you imply that most immigrants are jihadists.

1. Well there is a plan to conquer western countries by immigration and high birth rates. A document was found from TMB and went to court in Texas. It was ruled to not violate our law. There is an English copy out there somewhere, you can search for it if you want to know the truth (though I doubt it). https://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf

*Edit: Because I'm feeling generous. http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....rchives-of-the-muslim-brotherhood-in-america/

2. You're making the assumption that a people wanting to conquer the west by means of high birth rates and immigration would follow the same population trends as westerners.

This assumption will prove to be false in due time, given polygamy and the nature of exponential functions. I'd bank on it.

Besides, only 75 Million more Turks are allowed to be resettled. Yeah it'll drain Turkey, but they are replacing Turkey with more Syrians so it's OK. You guys can handle 75 Million more right? Government will pay for them all

Only 73% of them support an Islamic theocracy, I'm sure you'll be fine.



3. I would send you links, but I think they are banned in your country. You guys are pretty much living in the equivalent of North Korea, you know that right?

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/01/29/sweden-caught-censoring-the-internet-1984-style/

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/April/Soviet-Sweden-Model-Nation-Sliding-to-Third-World

Even more interesting, a U.N. report expects you guys to be 3rd world nation below Lybia in 15 years.
http://ww.rrojasdatabank.info/HDRP_2010_40.pdf

4. You've got it wrong. We are looking forward 50 years and applying basic mathematics. We should favor the future of our children over some migrants.

And whether you look back or not, I assume if your land is conquered (even peacefully as outlined in that Muslim Brotherhood document), your children will wonder "what the fuck were these idiots thinking?"

5. You are assuming the numbers of Islamic extremists will remain the same. Exponential functions bro. Exponential.

Also, just because someone isn't committing terrorist attacks doesn't mean they don't want to replace your culture with a theocracy.





Time will tell. Call us racists or facists all you want, and in 50 years if you're right and we built the wall for nothing... oh well, call us stupid. And if we are right and you are wrong, I'll be sure to tell Prime Minister Mohammed, "I tried to tell them".


We know year by year what's going to happen, and they know that we know. It's only you that they tell tall tales to, and you buy it, and spread it to the citizens of your countries. You people in turn do not feel a sense of the impending danger - this is what worries me. How do you not understand that the world is being pulled in an irreversible direction? While they pretend that nothing is going on. I don't know how to get through to you anymore. - Putin

I understand what Putin's feeling here. It's like I'm wasting my time. You don't want to hear it. You don't want it to be true. Whether it is true or not is irrelevant. You'll just have to see for yourself.

 

[LC Shepard]

I have slight insider info on China. Basically my family knows some people who are middle level in the Communist party of China. They all have a pro-Trump view there and absolutely HATE Hillary. This is surprising to me given the things Trump said about China.

Also, the general media narrative and opinion of the average folk is favorable of Trump and anti Hillary.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

lmao Trump, with just one tweet, created thousands of liberal instant experts on the One China policy, the Kuomintang and the Xinhai Revolution.

talk about a job creator.

 

[Squarechoke]

1. Well there is a plan to conquer western countries by immigration and high birth rates. A document was found from TMB and went to court in Texas. It was ruled to not violate our law. There is an English copy out there somewhere, you can search for it if you want to know the truth (though I doubt it). https://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf

*Edit: Because I'm feeling generous. http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....rchives-of-the-muslim-brotherhood-in-america/

2. You're making the assumption that a people wanting to conquer the west by means of high birth rates and immigration would follow the same population trends as westerners.

This assumption will prove to be false in due time, given polygamy and the nature of exponential functions. I'd bank on it.

Besides, only 75 Million more Turks are allowed to be resettled. Yeah it'll drain Turkey, but they are replacing Turkey with more Syrians so it's OK. You guys can handle 75 Million more right? Government will pay for them all

Only 73% of them support an Islamic theocracy, I'm sure you'll be fine.



3. I would send you links, but I think they are banned in your country. You guys are pretty much living in the equivalent of North Korea, you know that right?

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/01/29/sweden-caught-censoring-the-internet-1984-style/

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/April/Soviet-Sweden-Model-Nation-Sliding-to-Third-World

Even more interesting, a U.N. report expects you guys to be 3rd world nation below Lybia in 15 years.
http://ww.rrojasdatabank.info/HDRP_2010_40.pdf

4. You've got it wrong. We are looking forward 50 years and applying basic mathematics. We should favor the future of our children over some migrants.

And whether you look back or not, I assume if your land is conquered (even peacefully as outlined in that Muslim Brotherhood document), your children will wonder "what the fuck were these idiots thinking?"

5. You are assuming the numbers of Islamic extremists will remain the same. Exponential functions bro. Exponential.

Also, just because someone isn't committing terrorist attacks doesn't mean they don't want to replace your culture with a theocracy.





Time will tell. Call us racists or facists all you want, and in 50 years if you're right and we built the wall for nothing... oh well, call us stupid. And if we are right and you are wrong, I'll be sure to tell Prime Minister Mohammed, "I tried to tell them".


We know year by year what's going to happen, and they know that we know. It's only you that they tell tall tales to, and you buy it, and spread it to the citizens of your countries. You people in turn do not feel a sense of the impending danger - this is what worries me. How do you not understand that the world is being pulled in an irreversible direction? While they pretend that nothing is going on. I don't know how to get through to you anymore. - Putin

I understand what Putin's feeling here. It's like I'm wasting my time. You don't want to hear it. You don't want it to be true. Whether it is true or not is irrelevant. You'll just have to see for yourself.

1. There are plans for all sort of things, but that doesn't mean that all come true. If all immigrants were jihadists with conquest in mind it would certainly work, but that's hardly the case.

2. No, I'm not making any assumptions at all. I was saying that your reasoning lacked a ton of factors. I've not made any predictions myself, but predictably enough you've just assumed I've taken the opposite stance.

3. That was hilarious. A great example of you being one of those that have no source criticism whatsoever when you see things you like to see. The articles are blocked from Swedish IPs by Daily Mail itself. The articles contain things that were huge news in Sweden, being all over the papers here, so that fact alone makes it beyond obvious that censoring articles from a single UK paper would be completely pointless. This display of how you choose your sources explains a lot of why you're so eager to draw certain conclusions.

You're also referring to a paper that wasn't supported by the HDRO and never made it to the final rapport because it didn't live up to the academic and methodical standards that are required. Again you don't seem to have any source criticism whatsoever.

4. It shows that you're not actually doing anything yourself, because if you just think you look at 50 years and applying basic mathematics you clearly don't know how things are predicted. If it was that simple we would know exactly what's going to happen, and we have not been that accurate with predictions this far.

5. Just blurting out "exponential functions bro" isn't saying anything. You need to show why they will increase exponentially if you're making an argument, otherwise it's just nonsense.

I'm not calling you anything, and again I haven't stated what I think will happen, just that I see flaws in your reasoning. Not at all taking into account even the more obvious things like that the third largest party in Sweden right now is one that centers around anti-immigration, let alone the details of the various situations. That would of course require you to read things that you perhaps don't want to hear though, and examine the worth of the sources.

 

[Letssnuggle]

So when the president elect shows zero knowledge of foreign policy YET AGAIN (YOUR OPINION)*******, we should all just ignore that and act like it's not a problem?

Sorry if I'm not as ignorant as you Trump worshippers. (LAME INSULT)*******

If it was such a small thing, why is it the first time it happened in several decades? Which of course includes plenty of your favorite presidents, like Regan? (DEFLECTION)*******

I love how you're like "oh, China might be mad, so what". (DEFLECTION)******** That's elementary school level diplomacy you dipshit.(LAME INSULT)********

P'Is that what you expect of your president? (ANSWER: YOU WILL NOT EXPLAIN TO THIS "DIPSHIT" WHAT THE EXACT RAMIFICATIONS ARE....THEREFORE YES I APPROVE OF TRUMPS ACTIONS)*******

And if you're going to act like he knew what he was doing when he took that call and said what he did, you need to brush up on Trump's "amazing" policy knowledge. (DEFLECTION)********

Trump clearly had no idea that he insulted the Chinese here. He already tweeted about how he "just took a call", and we know that Twitter is the only true platform we have from him because he's so sophisticated. ( YOUR OPINION)**********

Trump is a loudmouthed child, and needs to be treated as such. God willing they'll get a responsible Secretary of State in there before Trump pisses off all of our political alliances and/or agreements. (LAME INSULTS)*********

You can't really blame Trump though....the same as you can't blame a toddler. They just don't know better.

I added parenthesis. I hope you had a great thanksgiving and a even better Christmas.

 

[Rod1]

Had not done Adolf anything about it, germany would have ended a communist shithole flor decades.
Not sure he destroyed Germany more than the allies policies.
Feel sorry for Those 4 million german POW, the ones americans killed by starvation and stalin by torture and forced labour....

Germany did ended as a communist shithole for decades, did you missed the part where the soviets took over half of Germany?

 

[Rod1]

Yeah, Hitler did some fucked up things but anyone who read Mein Kampf knows he honestly believed Germany would be destroyed by communism if he didn't.

He was a WW1 vet, so it's easy to place blame in hindsight. If you look at it from his perspective it makes sense. And he did some amazing things, economically speaking. Was on the cover of Time.

Let's see how the fascist policies work. At the end of four years, we may end up in better shape than we were at the start. I expect that to be the case.

On the flip side, it turns out leftists may end up destroying Germany after all.

What fascist policies? Trump is not Hitler, Trump is a scummy businessman who has gone all his life scamming people left and right and gaming the system for his own personal gain.

Thats not going to change, its going to be republican business as usual while Trump uses the office to improve his business.

We already had him talking to Macri, now Taiwan places where coincidentally he has business ventures, Bahrain has already booked an entire Trump hotel, people were railing about the Clinton Foundation for pay per play, despite the fact that Hillary never saw a penny of it. But they dont have any issue with Trump doing worse.

 

[HereticBD]

We already had him talking to Macri, now Taiwan places where coincidentally he has business ventures.

Trump has businesses in 25 countries around the world. By your failed logic, whenever he converses with the leaders of these countries, it's going to be a sneaky business related move.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Wanna know why? (From November)


http://shanghaiist.com/2016/11/18/trump_taiwan_expand.php

Good for Trump. Fuck that pussy shit not talking to Taiwan because of scumbag China.

 

[Rod1]

Trump has businesses in 25 countries around the world. By your failed logic, whenever he converses with the leaders of these countries, it's going to be a sneaky business related move.

Ivanka was involved in the Macri call. His sons are in the transition team and how coincidentally that he picked Taiwan a country that the US doesnt recognizes.

Come on, its ok if you want to play by the book and say innocent until proven guilty, but then again, it kinda puts into perspective how much of a raging hypocrites Trump supporters are.

Rending their garments at the complete lack of ethics from Hillary part when it came to handling classified info and her conflict of interests. And now they call such things as non-issues.

Good for the goose and all that.

But its ok, we know that Trumpites only cared about the identity politics parts not the whole politics are corrupt shit.

 

[HereticBD]

Ivanka was involved in the Macri call. His sons are in the transition team and how coincidentally that he picked Taiwan a country that the US doesnt recognizes.

Come on, its ok if you want to play by the book and say innocent until proven guilty, but then again, it kinda puts into perspective how much of a raging hypocrites Trump supporters are.

Rending their garments at the complete lack of ethics from Hillary part when it came to handling classified info and her conflict of interests. And now they call such things as non-issues.

Good for the goose and all that.

But its ok, we know that Trumpites only cared about the identity politics parts not the whole politics are corrupt shit.

If your reasoning for making these baseless claims is "they did it first!", then you're not going to get very far, and just confirmed that you're no better than the people you're insulting.

You guys really have a hard time using the term "hypocrite" without coming off as one. It's quite something.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Honestly though something is going to have to give with Taiwan, 40 years ago your were dealing with a dictatorship that still layed serious claim to all of China, today your dealing with a democracy that's largely given up on this.

 

[mygoddotcom]

Germany did ended as a communist shithole for decades, did you missed the part where the soviets took over half of Germany?

So, the Weimar Republic was paradise and there was no communist threat at all?
The fact that ONLY HALF of Germany ended up like a commie shithole, helps my point.
Same happened in Spain, had Franco not won the civil war, we would have ended like Hungary, Poland, etc.
See this picture? that is Madrid in 1937, ... I guess there was no commie threat either....

 

[IBeLurkin]

You really have to be joking.
My favorite part was when you said

"If it was such a small thing, why is it the first time it happened in several decades? Which of course includes plenty of your favorite presidents, like Regan?"

So no president has spoken to the leader of Taiwan since 1979?
You really believe that?

You might be reading #fakenews

Lol, your posts are hilarious man, thanks for the laughs

But there are about a dozen sources already linked itt, and on the first page of Google if you want to look into how our government hasn't recognized Taiwan's.

Do you have any sources for your supposed secret talks between our presidents and Taiwan's leaders? Or is that just more of your hilarious shtick? I bet you just know it in your gut, don't you? lol...

Do yourself a favor and read up on the past diplomatic policies regarding Taiwan. It's actually pretty interesting, if you're actually interested in this and aren't just posting here because you think you're smarter than everyone for no reason.