Donald Trump Jr.'s Russia email scandal shakes the presidency, v4: Cover of TIME

[Buck Swope]

haha

Define " implication ", in your own terms for us to see.

Trump Jr. meeting with Russian officials to obtain dirt on Hillary is a serious implication. That ties Trump Sr. to all of this, since he was the one running against Hillary. Are you being purposely obtuse or is it just a defense mechanism?

 

[Buck Swope]

The left want so desperatly to somehow right thr wrong of shillary losing...

But they dont want to fix the reasons why the bitch lost. They just want trump to lose.

Its a bit redundant.

- remove super delegates
- change the leadership of the dnc
- stop funding cover up news like cnn
- get away from globalization and put more of a priority on domestic problems
- get away from the Clintons.

Thats just off the top of my head

Holy shit slow your fucking roll. Whether Hillary or Trump won it was going to be the same shit, give or take.

 

[Kframe]

Whatever you have to tell yourself snowflake.

LOL What? Why do you leftists persist in calling people on the right Nazi's when the fucking Nazi's were National SOCIALISTS. Conservatism is not typically in line with socialism. So, how is anything I have said in any way Nazi like?

Also, is snowflake supposed to be an insult? I see people here flinging it around like that, but I for the life of me don't get it. Have you ever looked at a flake of snow under a microscope? I have. They are gorgeous. Every single one of them unique in their look and structure. Damned beautiful they are.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Trump Jr. meeting with Russian officials to obtain dirt on Hillary is a serious implication. That ties Trump Sr. to all of this, since he was the one running against Hillary. Are you being purposely obtuse or is it just a defense mechanism?

Here's the thing, and people on both sides are saying it...
It increasingly strains credulity to believe the Orange Idiot wasn't aware of the meeting or what was expected from it.

 

[Jack V Savage]

yes the hell they are Jack. Look at the bullshit they saying. Saying we are murdering people, 28000 a month and all this bullshit. I mean, sure a bunch will loose health care, but how many of them are willingly giving it up because they don't want it?

A) No one says "murdering" (though we did see a lot of actual outlandish accusations of murder from the right).
B) It's factually a true statement that Medicaid cuts and other changes to the ACA will increase the number of premature deaths.
C) Not many as a percentage of people who would lose coverage under Trumpcare.

More than that, you're ignoring the issue. You personally expressed the view that Republicans' pursuit of victory should not be constrained by ethics or morality. No one else is saying that. I just pointed out that, yeah, if you have no decency or ethics, you will not be able to understand the argument here.

 

[Buck Swope]

Here's the thing, and people on both sides are saying it...
It increasingly strains credulity to believe the Orange Idiot wasn't aware of the meeting or what was expected from it.

This is all moronic theatre. We all know(even the right, that doesn't give a shit) Trump and co. did this. They colluded with Russia. I hope the orange fuck goes down. Even better, I hope the stress gives him a massive heart attack. The only problem with that is the fact that he will get a burial far more dignified than he deserves.

 

[HamPhan]

Trump Jr. meeting with Russian officials to obtain dirt on Hillary is a serious implication. That ties Trump Sr. to all of this, since he was the one running against Hillary. Are you being purposely obtuse or is it just a defense mechanism?

It implies that Trump Jr. met with RUSSIANS...not Russian officials ...to obtain dirt on Hillary. That's it.

Which Russian Officials did he meet with?

Here, let's see what an elected official colluding with a Russian official prior to an election really looks like, and you decide what that meeting implied.

President Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space."


President Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…"


President Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."


President Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir, and I stand with you."

 

[Ophydian]

Nazi's were not right wingers. They were leftists. Conservatives like me have literally nothing politically in agreement with Nazi's.

Conservative? You aren't even an American.

 

[Kframe]

A) No one says "murdering" (though we did see a lot of actual outlandish accusations of murder from the right).
B) It's factually a true statement that Medicaid cuts and other changes to the ACA will increase the number of premature deaths.
C) Not many as a percentage of people who would lose coverage under Trumpcare.

More than that, you're ignoring the issue. You personally expressed the view that Republicans' pursuit of victory should not be constrained by ethics or morality. No one else is saying that. I just pointed out that, yeah, if you have no decency or ethics, you will not be able to understand the argument here.

You keep defending the ACA despite the fact that it is hurting people. It made it to expensive to actually use insurance. How is a 16k deductible something for you leftists to be proud of?

 

[Buck Swope]

It implies that Trump Jr. met with RUSSIANS...not Russian officials ...to obtain dirt on Hillary. That's it.

Which Russian Officials did he meet with?

Here, let's see what an elected official colluding with a Russian official prior to an election really looks like, and you decide what that meeting implied.

President Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space."


President Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…"


President Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."


President Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir, and I stand with you."

Stay on topic snowflake.

 

[Kframe]

Conservative? You aren't even an American.

Got the lil birth certificate the says I am an American. But of course you are saying that only democrat leftists are Americans.. Of course..

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

This is all moronic theatre. We all know(even the right, that doesn't give a shit) Trump and co. did this. They colluded with Russia. I hope the orange fuck goes down. Even better, I hope the stress gives him a massive heart attack. The only problem with that is the fact that he will get a burial far more dignified than he deserves.

Harsh.
I don't think we're there yet. The process is months from being complete IMO.
At worst, his son wanted to trade with what he believed was a rep of the Russian government for info to damage an American in a presidential election.

Which, holy shit, is NOT SOMETHING TO TAKE LIGHTLY.

What a mess

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Got the lil birth certificate the says I am an American. But of course you are saying that only democrat leftists are Americans.. Of course..

I won't believe it until I see the long form certificate, you Kenyan liar

 

[Jack V Savage]

You keep defending the ACA despite the fact that it is hurting people. It made it to expensive to actually use insurance. How is a 16k deductible something for you leftists to be proud of?

The ACA has done more to help Americans than almost any legislation ever passed. If you support more gov't funding to bring deductibles down further, I'm with you. Note that the GOP is moving in the exact opposite direction.

And you're still not addressing the issue. You said that victory is the only thing that matters to you, and you couldn't understand why you were supposed to be concerned about morality or ethics. I noted that if you don't care about those things, you don't care about them. Other people do.

 

[DanMMAleague]

Apparently Comey is writing a book;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-big-money-bids-james-comeys-book-fbi-donald/

Probably bad news for those who want to see Trump impeached ASAP.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Apparently Comey is writing a book;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-big-money-bids-james-comeys-book-fbi-donald/

Probably bad news for those who want to see Trump impeached ASAP.

I'm sure the "John Miller asked everyone to leave the room and told me he wanted my loyalty" chapter oughtta be good reading

 

[Kframe]

The ACA has done more to help Americans than almost any legislation ever passed. If you support more gov't funding to bring deductibles down further, I'm with you. Note that the GOP is moving in the exact opposite direction.

And you're still not addressing the issue. You said that victory is the only thing that matters to you, and you couldn't understand why you were supposed to be concerned about morality or ethics. I noted that if you don't care about those things, you don't care about them. Other people do.

If the left doesn't care, why should I?

So your only solution to NACA is to throw more money at it? How do you know just blindly throwing more money at it will solve the problem. Where would the specifics of this money go? What mechanism would be effected by this increased money that it would effect the deductibles.

How is high deductibles doing more to help Americans then any other legislation passed, when the cost of actually using the health care is astronomical? I'm talking about actually using it. With deductibles that high, you cant use it. You pay every month for a plan that you can no use.

 

[HamPhan]

Stay on topic snowflake.

I am on topic.

Since it was obvious you don't know the definition of collusion and it's implication, I figured I'd educate your retarded self with some recent memories that you chose to bottle up.

 

[Jack V Savage]

If the left doesn't care, why should I?

Why should you have any decency or behave morally if you've become convinced that other people don't? If you have to ask, I guess you will not be able to understand (even putting aside the falsity of your belief).

So your only solution to NACA is to throw more money at it? How do you know just blindly throwing more money at it will solve the problem. Where would the specifics of this money go? What mechanism would be effected by this increased money that it would effect the deductibles.

Pretty much. The issue with healthcare is that it is expensive, and some people can't afford it (especially if they have major health issues, in which case it can be fantastically expensive). The way to deal with people not having enough money to pay for something is to find ways to make it cheaper (which the ACA has done) and to give them more money. There's no real way around that basic fact. The GOP opposes taxing the rich to pay for benefits for other people so they cannot possibly improve that aspect of the healthcare system (affordability). Democrats have shown a willingness to spend money, though they were constrained by the refusal to raise taxes on incomes below $250K.

How is high deductibles doing more to help Americans then any other legislation passed, when the cost of actually using the health care is astronomical? I'm talking about actually using it. With deductibles that high, you cant use it. You pay every month for a plan that you can no use.

Higher deductibles is the GOP plan (the theory being that people will be more cost-conscious if they're paying more out of pocket). You're just saying that because the ACA didn't bring deductibles down enough, it's the same as raising them. It's not. The ACA has made healthcare affordable for millions who previously could not afford it.

We've already gone over how your boss lied to you. More of that "win at any cost and screw morality" aspect of the right that you're exemplifying in this thread.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-gop-healthcare-cbo-20170524-story.html

 

[Kframe]

Why should you have any decency or behave morally if you've become convinced that other people don't? If you have to ask, I guess you will not be able to understand (even putting aside the falsity of your belief).



Pretty much. The issue with healthcare is that it is expensive, and some people can't afford it (especially if they have major health issues, in which case it can be fantastically expensive). The way to deal with people not having enough money to pay for something is to find ways to make it cheaper (which the ACA has done) and to give them more money. There's no real way around that basic fact. The GOP opposes taxing the rich to pay for benefits for other people so they cannot possibly improve that aspect of the healthcare system (affordability). Democrats have shown a willingness to spend money, though they were constrained by the refusal to raise taxes on incomes below $250K.



Higher deductibles is the GOP plan. You're just saying that because the ACA didn't bring deductibles down enough, it's the same as raising them. It's not. The ACA has made healthcare affordable for millions who previously could not afford it.

We've already gone over how your boss lied to you. More of that "win at any cost and screw morality" aspect of the right that you're exemplifying in this thread.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-gop-healthcare-cbo-20170524-story.html

You actually never explained how the insurance rep lied to me. Not once. You kept repeating they lied but never once gave specifics as too what. Fact. My employer plan doubled the moment it was signed. They cited, and it is fact you can look up in the law, the mandatory provisons that must be covered in employer plans as the reason they skyrocketed. That is not debatable, there was numerous things mandated for employer coverage.

The ACA didn't bring deductibles down one bit. I never once said they brought them down enough. I said the RAISED them. Which they did. The damn deductibles went up, not down. It was Obama and the left who for MONTHS kept parroting on and on about lowering the costs to the final users. How many times did Obama say it would lower the costs by $2500 ?

How is that affordable. Sure they can afford to pay the monthly bill in their paycheck, but they can not at all afford to actually use their healthcare. That is not making it affordable. AT all. In the least.

Also, I already addressed this issue of the Russia shit with Overpressure. The news sources I listen too, have not really framed it around Campaign finance law. Like I said to him. I do not know what to do with this information as it causes a paradox in me. On one hand, I don't think laws should be broken, and if it was broken it should be enforced. However that feeling is battled by my intense fear and distrust of the left, and my desire to see them loose. As I told him, I don't know what to do with that information.