Donald Trump Jr.'s Russia email scandal shakes the presidency, v4: Cover of TIME

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Overpressure said:
Campaign Finance law.

A foreign National shall not directly or indirectly make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation in connection with any federal state or local election.

(g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign Nationals.

No person shall knowingly solicit accept or receive from a foreign National any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.

Providing substantial assistance.
No person shall knowingly provide substantial assistance in the solicitation, making, acceptance, or receipt of a contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) and (g) of this section.
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So, now we know that he didn't break Campaign Finance Laws, what are you going to harp about next?
 
Rational Poster said:
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Good overview some details I wasn't aware of but it left out the Peter Smith/Flynn thread.

Regardless of the conspiracy theory surrounding his death it seemingly could prove important for impeaching Trump for obstruction of justice.

As Comey has documented Trump asked him to drop the Flynn investigation but not the Russia investigation.

The work of Smith and the hackers he employed provides a trail that connects to Flynn and implicates the Trump campaign.
 
I still want all of this to be untrue, even the parts they've been forced to admit.
I sure as fuck don't want it to end up in impeachment territory
 
Overpressure said:
Campaign Finance law.

A foreign National shall not directly or indirectly make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation in connection with any federal state or local election.

(g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign Nationals.

No person shall knowingly solicit accept or receive from a foreign National any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.

Providing substantial assistance.
No person shall knowingly provide substantial assistance in the solicitation, making, acceptance, or receipt of a contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) and (g) of this section.
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Now that is interesting. I have been following this since the beginning, and none of the places I frequent have ever framed it in terms of the Campaign finance law. Hmm. That is interesting. Though I am not sure what to do with that information.

I will admit, if the other MSM were framing it like that, then I missed it. I normally only watch Fox or Blaze. I get most of my political news and opinion from the radio as I work on the road in a car most of the day, so I listen to the radio. So it is likely I missed it if it was framed in such a way.

But this still raises an interesting paradox for me. On the one hand, IF they can prove a law was broken by Trump Sr, that is bad and it should be enforced. But I find that feeling being battled by my veritable fear and distrust of the Left, and desire to see them defeated at any cost. Look I troll a lot on this forum, mostly because its fun. But in all seriousness I have no idea what to do with this now. Part of me hates it, but part of me hates my political enemies more. The left has done their fair share of shady shit and almost never get the MSM set loose on them like rabid, demonic Pitbulls..

I mean what is the end game here guys? You get rid of Trump and you will get Pence who is arguably more conservative. It would be a win then immediate lose situation for the left if that were to happen.
 
The left want so desperatly to somehow right thr wrong of shillary losing...

But they dont want to fix the reasons why the bitch lost. They just want trump to lose.

Its a bit redundant.

- remove super delegates
- change the leadership of the dnc
- stop funding cover up news like cnn
- get away from globalization and put more of a priority on domestic problems
- get away from the clintons

Thats just off the top of my head
 
Kframe said:
Now that is interesting. I have been following this since the beginning, and none of the places I frequent have ever framed it in terms of the Campaign finance law. Hmm. That is interesting. Though I am not sure what to do with that information.

I will admit, if the other MSM were framing it like that, then I missed it. I normally only watch Fox or Blaze. I get most of my political news and opinion from the radio as I work on the road in a car most of the day, so I listen to the radio. So it is likely I missed it if it was framed in such a way.

But this still raises an interesting paradox for me. On the one hand, IF they can prove a law was broken by Trump Sr, that is bad and it should be enforced. But I find that feeling being battled by my veritable fear and distrust of the Left, and desire to see them defeated at any cost. Look I troll a lot on this forum, mostly because its fun. But in all seriousness I have no idea what to do with this now. Part of me hates it, but part of me hates my political enemies more. The left has done their fair share of shady shit and almost never get the MSM set loose on them like rabid, demonic Pitbulls..

I mean what is the end game here guys? You get rid of Trump and you will get Pence who is arguably more conservative. It would be a win then immediate lose situation for the left if that were to happen.
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The only thing I can imagine that puts anyone on the hook, so far.
I've heard scholars argue this point, that "other thing of value" could be so construed.
Especially, as I've seen pointed out, a "thing of value" might include anything that can be used to leverage the campaign and that they didn't have to spend from their war chest to obtain.
 
Jack V Savage said:
It's hard to explain ethics or decency to people who don't have any.

Yes, if you have no morals and just want to win at any cost, there's nothing wrong (though, you know, there's no guarantee that Russia will always be on your side).

What is the victory even for, though? Weaken America's position in the world (as a military and economic leader), weaken the economy, take healthcare away from millions to fund a tax cut for rich investors? Why is that worth selling your soul?
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Yet you think the Democrats have decency and ethics? Look at all the bullshit they are constantly saying about the right. The lives they destroy.

Edit. Deleted wrong name. Cant find clear sources on who I intended so I deleted the reference.
 
HamPhan said:
So, now we know that he didn't break Campaign Finance Laws, what are you going to harp about next?
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Very strange comment considering it implicates that Trump and co. clearly violated the law.
 
Kframe said:
Yet you think the Democrats have decency and ethics? Look at all the bullshit they are constantly saying about the right. The lives they destroy.
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You're missing the point.

You are personally stating that you don't have any decency or ethics, that victory at all costs is your view of right and wrong. Democrats are not the ones saying that or doing anything that reflects it. And, as I said, for what? Just so you poor kids can go hungry and some struggling people can lose their healthcare? That's worth turning yourself in what you've become?

Check this out:

 
Kframe said:
Now that is interesting. I have been following this since the beginning, and none of the places I frequent have ever framed it in terms of the Campaign finance law. Hmm. That is interesting. Though I am not sure what to do with that information.

I will admit, if the other MSM were framing it like that, then I missed it. I normally only watch Fox or Blaze. I get most of my political news and opinion from the radio as I work on the road in a car most of the day, so I listen to the radio. So it is likely I missed it if it was framed in such a way.

But this still raises an interesting paradox for me. On the one hand, IF they can prove a law was broken by Trump Sr, that is bad and it should be enforced. But I find that feeling being battled by my veritable fear and distrust of the Left, and desire to see them defeated at any cost. Look I troll a lot on this forum, mostly because its fun. But in all seriousness I have no idea what to do with this now. Part of me hates it, but part of me hates my political enemies more. The left has done their fair share of shady shit and almost never get the MSM set loose on them like rabid, demonic Pitbulls..

I mean what is the end game here guys? You get rid of Trump and you will get Pence who is arguably more conservative. It would be a win then immediate lose situation for the left if that were to happen.
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So FOXNEWS and whatever horseshit you listen to while you fart into your car seat all day long are cuddly little Pomeranians?

Listen, I am partisan as well, but I don't hate the right(nor you) to the extent that is blinds me to what is right and what is wrong. Thanks for the post BTW. You admitted far more than the average alt-right idiot has the balls to admit.
 
Jack V Savage said:
You're missing the point.

You are personally stating that you don't have any decency or ethics, that victory at all costs is your view of right and wrong. Democrats are not the ones saying that or doing anything that reflects it. And, as I said, for what? Just so you poor kids can go hungry and some struggling people can lose their healthcare? That's worth turning yourself in what you've become?

Check this out:

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Fantastic episode. Love that show.
 
Jack V Savage said:
You're missing the point.

You are personally stating that you don't have any decency or ethics, that victory at all costs is your view of right and wrong. Democrats are not the ones saying that or doing anything that reflects it. And, as I said, for what? Just so you poor kids can go hungry and some struggling people can lose their healthcare? That's worth turning yourself in what you've become?

Check this out:

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yes the hell they are Jack. Look at the bullshit they saying. Saying we are murdering people, 28000 a month and all this bullshit. I mean, sure a bunch will loose health care, but how many of them are willingly giving it up because they don't want it? Just because more people have healthcare does not mean they can actually afford to use it. I know I can't. With 16k+ deductibles, other super high costs, costs that were not there before the law, how on gods somewhat green earth could any low income Obama care member actually afford to USE IT? I know that if I were to use my health care insurance it would literally bankrupt me.
 
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