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He's going down breh.
Donald Trump Jr.'s Russia email scandal shakes the presidency, v4: Cover of TIME
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Trump Jr.’s Russia meeting sure sounds like a Russian intelligence operation
But everything we know about the meeting — from whom it involved to how it was set up to how it unfolded — is in line with what intelligence analysts would expect an overture in a Russian influence operation to look like. It bears all the hallmarks of a professionally planned, carefully orchestrated intelligence soft pitch designed to gauge receptivity, while leaving room for plausible deniability in case the approach is rejected. And the Trump campaign’s willingness to take the meeting — and, more important, its failure to report the episode to U.S. authorities — may have been exactly the green light Russia was looking for to launch a more aggressive phase of intervention in the U.S. election.
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Trump Jr.’s assertion that Veselnitskaya didn’t deliver the promised dirt in that meeting is also consistent with how Russian intelligence operates. So, too, is Akhmetshin’s account that Veselnitskaya presented a document that she said suggested illegal payments to the Democratic National Committee, but told Trump Jr. that supporting evidence would require more research. Russia would have wanted to feel out the campaign before sharing its most prized material. Intelligence officers prefer to dip their toes in the water before taking a plunge. And it’s too risky to attempt a blunt approach to an extremely sensitive target (such as the son of the Republican front-runner for president), especially on hostile (in this case, American) soil.
Moreover, Russian intelligence presumably would not have risked passing high-value information through Veselnitskaya. As an untrained asset or co-optee — not a professional intelligence officer by any account — she would not have been entrusted with making a direct intelligence recruitment approach, including the passage of compromising information. Formalizing a relationship with the Trump campaign would be left for another day. If and when that day came, the pitch would be carried out by an experienced intelligence officer in favorable circumstances, with the right Trump associate and on friendly turf.
But even at the soft-pitch stage, standard Russian intelligence practice would require making clear what was on offer. The point is to test the target. Are they open to entering into a compromising relationship? Will they rebuff the mere suggestion of such impropriety? Will they alert authorities and thus stand in the way of Russian efforts?
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From the Russian perspective, the fact that Trump Jr. agreed to the meeting would have been the first promising sign. That veteran political operative Paul Manafort and senior adviser Jared Kushner showed up with him would have furthered the impression that there was strong interest in Russian assistance (and vulnerability to compromise) on the part of the campaign. But, according to standard espionage tradecraft, the most notable achievement of this encounter lay in the campaign’s failure to report it to the appropriate U.S. authorities — as Russia would have realized when there was no immediate, dramatic increase in U.S. counterintelligence scrutiny of its election-related operations.
Had this Russian overture been rejected or promptly reported by the Trump campaign to U.S. authorities, Russian intelligence would have been forced to recalculate the risk vs. gain of continuing its aggressive operation to influence U.S. domestic politics. Russian meddling might have been compromised in its early stages and stopped in its tracks by U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies before it reached fruition by the late fall.
So the suggestion that this was a nothing meeting without consequence is, in all likelihood, badly mistaken.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...7f3dfe-6762-11e7-9928-22d00a47778f_story.html
Article seems to spell it out really well. Folks demanding a "We will help you if you end sanctions" video taped offer and agreement are being disingenuous.
But everything we know about the meeting — from whom it involved to how it was set up to how it unfolded — is in line with what intelligence analysts would expect an overture in a Russian influence operation to look like. It bears all the hallmarks of a professionally planned, carefully orchestrated intelligence soft pitch designed to gauge receptivity, while leaving room for plausible deniability in case the approach is rejected. And the Trump campaign’s willingness to take the meeting — and, more important, its failure to report the episode to U.S. authorities — may have been exactly the green light Russia was looking for to launch a more aggressive phase of intervention in the U.S. election.
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Trump Jr.’s assertion that Veselnitskaya didn’t deliver the promised dirt in that meeting is also consistent with how Russian intelligence operates. So, too, is Akhmetshin’s account that Veselnitskaya presented a document that she said suggested illegal payments to the Democratic National Committee, but told Trump Jr. that supporting evidence would require more research. Russia would have wanted to feel out the campaign before sharing its most prized material. Intelligence officers prefer to dip their toes in the water before taking a plunge. And it’s too risky to attempt a blunt approach to an extremely sensitive target (such as the son of the Republican front-runner for president), especially on hostile (in this case, American) soil.
Moreover, Russian intelligence presumably would not have risked passing high-value information through Veselnitskaya. As an untrained asset or co-optee — not a professional intelligence officer by any account — she would not have been entrusted with making a direct intelligence recruitment approach, including the passage of compromising information. Formalizing a relationship with the Trump campaign would be left for another day. If and when that day came, the pitch would be carried out by an experienced intelligence officer in favorable circumstances, with the right Trump associate and on friendly turf.
But even at the soft-pitch stage, standard Russian intelligence practice would require making clear what was on offer. The point is to test the target. Are they open to entering into a compromising relationship? Will they rebuff the mere suggestion of such impropriety? Will they alert authorities and thus stand in the way of Russian efforts?
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From the Russian perspective, the fact that Trump Jr. agreed to the meeting would have been the first promising sign. That veteran political operative Paul Manafort and senior adviser Jared Kushner showed up with him would have furthered the impression that there was strong interest in Russian assistance (and vulnerability to compromise) on the part of the campaign. But, according to standard espionage tradecraft, the most notable achievement of this encounter lay in the campaign’s failure to report it to the appropriate U.S. authorities — as Russia would have realized when there was no immediate, dramatic increase in U.S. counterintelligence scrutiny of its election-related operations.
Had this Russian overture been rejected or promptly reported by the Trump campaign to U.S. authorities, Russian intelligence would have been forced to recalculate the risk vs. gain of continuing its aggressive operation to influence U.S. domestic politics. Russian meddling might have been compromised in its early stages and stopped in its tracks by U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies before it reached fruition by the late fall.
So the suggestion that this was a nothing meeting without consequence is, in all likelihood, badly mistaken.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...7f3dfe-6762-11e7-9928-22d00a47778f_story.html
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Rachel Maddox reported just now that the lawyer that is Russian that trumps it is not a Russian government lawyer has in fact at one point contacted a Russian prosecutor. Jesus Christ these people are desperate
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This is almost too good to be true.
We may have a legit opportunity to oust the zionist scum-in-law Kushner.
Bannon is smiling right now. Literally smiling.
Meanwhile the presidency is protected because Sr wasnt present.
This is beautiful. So beautiful.
You guys keep posting updates.
We may have a legit opportunity to oust the zionist scum-in-law Kushner.
Bannon is smiling right now. Literally smiling.
Meanwhile the presidency is protected because Sr wasnt present.
This is beautiful. So beautiful.
You guys keep posting updates.
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+juan for being a glass half full kinda guy lol
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I'm sure you conveyed it as well as you understood it.
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LOL, you mean one of the Zionist founding members of Breitbart News?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon#Breitbart_News
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News#2005.E2.80.9312:_Creation_and_early_yearsWikipedia said:
Wikipedia said:
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Kushner needs to pay for his treason.
He deserves no place in the white house.
He belongs in prison for his collusion.
I now see the light.
Thank you guys.
He deserves no place in the white house.
He belongs in prison for his collusion.
I now see the light.
Thank you guys.
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You can add up every news channel in the USA and they have had less false stories than Trump himself has told. This whole fake media stuff is a bunch of BS started by the master bullshitter himself.
We are suppose to believe only Fox, Brietbart, Infowars are telling the truthful news according to Trump and his fans. That makes sense...right?
The White House itself will put out news with unnamed sources, and they will agree (when it suits them) with news outlets that have unnamed sources.
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LOL, you mean one of the Zionist founding members of Breitbart News?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon#Breitbart_News
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News#2005.E2.80.9312:_Creation_and_early_years
Breitbart was a Zionist.
Bannon is not.
Hth
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This isn't looking good for that zionist scum Kushner.
#lockhimup
#lockhimup
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Yeah, he's "Zionist scum"! I'm pretty sure we have all figured out what that is @WiolentOne code for...
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You must be proud of yourself.
It only took you a year to get to the same conclusion as every rational American and our intelligence agencies.
It's just really sad you couldn't take their word for it and you needed to wait for the mind numbing incompetence of the Trump administration to reach critical mass.
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You were absolutely right. The zionist scum Kushner needs to go to prison for treason.
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Yeah, he's "Zionist scum"! I'm pretty sure we have all figured out what that is @WiolentOne code for...
Kushner will be one of many. Trump is the Puppetmaster, and all roads are pointing to him .That's why he's already lied about not seeing the emails, and lied about who was in the room.
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Dems are doing great work attempting to strip Kushner of his security clearance. Hes proven himself to be a treasonous scoundrel that can not be trusted.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ushner-still-have-a-security-clearance-215378
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ushner-still-have-a-security-clearance-215378
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You're welcome !
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I sincerely would like to thank the Left.
The work that Dems are putting in with ousting Kushner is truly great. Its giving me flashbacks of my early days in the War Room when I proudly carried the Democratic banner.
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Bannon is self described Leninist.
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