Crime Donald Trump Hush Money Fraud Trial (5/30 Update: Trump Found Guilty on All 34 Felony Charges)

Rational Poster said:
It's 6 weeks, you act like it's tomorrow lmao.

Keep coping it's cute.
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That sentencing date is highly irregular and designed to harm his campaign... just like all this lawfare the Democrats are attacking Trump with. The problem is it's helping Trump.
 
Trabaho said:
So it all stems fron hush money cover up ? No financial gain ?
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There was no financial gain, it was a payment, but there was value gained. The details of the story were covered up long enough for him to secure the presidency. Then securing the Presidency shielded him from prosecution during the duration of his term, Michael Cohen his co-conspirator was already jailed and served his sentence in jail while Trump was still in office.

A campaign finance violation is "any thing of value" not just monetary value. Any money spent that brings value to the campaign needs to be declared. They tried to disguise the payments as ordinary legal fees to Cohen, and Cohen further disguised them by lying about the purpose of his refinance loan.
 
Trabaho said:
So what did he do ? Spent charity money on his political campaign ? So that he doesn't have to pay taxes for his campaign ? Sounds like a rookie mistake. Like someone who is used to playing rich people tricks but now got confronted fir it.
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It would be if that were correct, but it's not, it was literally his own personal money. The poster who told you it was "bank fraud" lied to you, and also thought women couldn't have a job in the US until 1984, so that should give you some idea of who you're talking to.

It didn't have anything to do with taxes, or banks, or any financial gain, and there wasn't actually any victim. The NDA itself is perfectly legal, and so was the thing it was supposed to "cover up" obviously since having sex with randos was literally her job, the crime that was implied but not directly alleged is that Trump spending his own money should have been recorded as a contribution to his own campaign rather than recorded the same way anybody else would record the same arrangement.


So for example, Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones $850k to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit because when she was a state employee and he was governor, he had a state trooper send her to his hotel room and then whipped is dick out on her and attempted to rape her, but he paid her off when he was already in office, so it qualifies as a "legal expense".

Trump was already in office when the payments were recorded, but the payments themselves were made in 2016, so they are saying that it should have been recorded as a campaign expense rather than how it would have been recorded if the payments were made 1 year earlier or 6 months later.
 
I 100% understand why Americans hate all the politicians. All the corruption on both sides, the sociopathic behavior of them, the lying. It's such a cesspool of humanity in general, at all levels of politics.

But whats it about Trump that really gets people to rally behind him? From all accounts he's such a general piece of shit in business and in his personal life.

Is it how he's hilarious, vindictive, mean, and a master troll? He's definitely all that and is hilarious to watch.

Is it that he's different than the rest of the piles of shit in politics on the left and right? I get that to.

I suppose this is a throwaway post. I'm so confused what the fascination is with him...
 
Whippy McGee said:
That sentencing date is highly irregular and designed to harm his campaign... just like all this lawfare the Democrats are attacking Trump with. The problem is it's helping Trump.
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If they wanted to harm his campaign why not just put the sentencing hearing on the day of the convention? Wouldn't that be even more damaging?

If Trump was concerned about the health of his campaign why did he request to delay the trial in April?
 
spamking said:
This is cute. You've chosen to be butthurt about a simple tweet I posted related to the discussion at hand. Not one time did I provide anything remotely close to an indication that I was bothered by it. Yet you decided to take it upon yourself for some white knight reason to push the idea that I need to justify something to you and provide you with some evidence to show I'm equally "calling out" politicians who pander.

What answer would satisfy you Mr. White Knight? Do I need to go search twitter for some ridiculous MTG tweet and quote it here with the phrase "oh my" to make you feel better?

Here . . .

"Oh my"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1796337135865184488

Are you happy now?
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LOL if Bolton is part of the deep state cabal, then why did Trump hire him?

iirc Trump's main concern when deciding whether to hire Bolton was that he didn't like his mustache.
 
HockeyBjj said:
Those are committed Trump voters

I'm curious what the numbers for independents or less likely to vote at all voters look like

I could see the biggest impact of this being the non hardcore trump voters, that would have still voted Trump because social issues, just not bothering to vote this november
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Definitely feels like there should be a low turnout
 
nhbbear said:
I tend to agree that it is a witch hunt perpetrated by latitia James, who seems to be a cunt with a hardon for him trying to single handedly ruin his election, but I absolutely don’t believe trump is a good person or likely innocent. Basically, fuck him and biden. I feel fucked regardless and would be embarrassed by either as potus and feel not represented. At least trump visited by city and state last round. Biden couldn’t find it on a map.
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- I was joking about the witch Hunt part.

Trump has always get out of his crimes without a scratch. But i dont think nothing will come out of this. He can still run as a convict?
 
Trabaho said:
So what did he do ? Spent charity money on his political campaign ? So that he doesn't have to pay taxes for his campaign ? Sounds like a rookie mistake. Like someone who is used to playing rich people tricks but now got confronted fir it.
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It would be if that were correct, but it's not, it was literally his own personal money. The poster who told you it was "bank fraud" lied to you, and also thought women couldn't have a job in the US until 1984, so that should give you some idea of who you're talking to.

It didn't have anything to do with taxes, or banks, or any financial gain, and there wasn't actually any victim. The NDA itself is perfectly legal, and so was the thing it was supposed to "cover up" obviously since having sex with randos was literally Sloppy Daniels' job, the crime that was implied but not directly alleged is that Trump spending his own money should have been recorded as a contribution to his own campaign rather than recorded the same way anybody else would record the same arrangement.


So for example, Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones $850k to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit because when she was a state employee and he was governor, he had a state trooper send her to his hotel room and then whipped is dick out on her and attempted to rape her, but he paid her off when he was already in office, so it qualifies as a "legal expense".

Trump was already in office when the payments were recorded, but the payments themselves were made in 2016, so they are saying it should have been recorded as a campaign expense rather than recording it the same way anybody else would record it, or even the same way Trump himself could have recorded it if the money was paid 1 year earlier or 6 months later.

Basically he was convicted of doing what is perfectly legal for anybody else to do, and even for Trump himself to do at any other time, but doing it while running for office against Hillary Clinton.
 
HockeyBjj said:
Those are committed Trump voters

I'm curious what the numbers for independents or less likely to vote at all voters look like

I could see the biggest impact of this being the non hardcore trump voters, that would have still voted Trump because social issues, just not bothering to vote this november
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I imagine a lot of independent voters will not like this political prosecution and will be more inclined to vote. The group of people who weren't going to vote, but will come out to vote now will be especially large imo.
 
Rational Poster said:
If they wanted to harm his campaign why not just put the sentencing hearing on the day of the convention? Wouldn't that be even more damaging?

If Trump was concerned about the health of his campaign why did he request to delay the trial in April?
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I don't think he is concerned about the health of his campaign at all. He is currently bringing down record fund raising.
 
HockeyBjj said:
Those are committed Trump voters

I'm curious what the numbers for independents or less likely to vote at all voters look like

I could see the biggest impact of this being the non hardcore trump voters, that would have still voted Trump because social issues, just not bothering to vote this november
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Trump's favorable numbers aren't really about Trump. It's about Biden. Until Biden convinces people he's not the worse option, nothing will change. Conviction, jail time, it doesn't matter if people believe Biden is the one hurting them. The appearance of trying to eliminate his opponent in the face of such dire approval ratings and poll numbers ain't doing Biden any favors either.
 
HOLA said:
Adam Serwer's article "The Cruelty is The Point" is perhaps the best explanation for why Trump supporters are so devoted to this man:

www.theatlantic.com

The Cruelty Is the Point

Trump and his supporters find community by rejoicing in the suffering of those they hate and fear.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
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- Ever read Batman The messiah?

I admire Trump natural ability to control the public. He mastered the cult of personality.
The fact that he managed to convince them to try to over-throw a ellection, shows how scary his power over those people is. Good thing that even Trump has a limit, and dont ask those people to burn USA down.
 
Whippy McGee said:
I don't think he is concerned about the health of his campaign at all. He is currently bringing down record fund raising.
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Then what's the big deal about the sentencing date if it doesn't matter anyway?

Are you just flailing and coping and copy pasting shit you've seen other people say?

I accept your concession on the first question.
 
chardog said:
are we going to ignore 4 years of fake russia, followed by the impeachment scam, followed by the jan 6 "violent but no guns from 2nd amendment folks", followed by the failed georgia fani grift?

The boy that called wolf is the entire democrat party. Illegal filing of business docs, where key witness is a perjure that stole from trump, never mind the entire case was some trumped up charges dating back to events in 2016, sold as a 2020 election interference.
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Are you using some made up version of a witch hunt here?

A witch hunt is when people are persecuted for who they are or their opinions regardless of if they've actually done something wrong. Lots of crimes and convictions came out of the russia situation, lots of laws and convictions came out the Jan 6 case. I don't know what failed fani grift you're alluding to since that case is still being heard.

If you're simply ignoring the fact that crimes were committed just because you disagree with the politics of the administration in office, that's not a witch hunt. If you're saying that these are not actual crimes in the US or state level criminal codes then you need to be a hell of a lot more specific with that claim because so far we've been told exactly what criminal law is alleged to have been broken.

Best case scenario, you have a problem with the criminal code itself and want fewer crimes listed on the books?
 
LeonardoBjj said:
- I was joking about the witch Hunt part.

Trump has always get out of his crimes without a scratch. But i dont think nothing will come out of this. He can still run as a convict?
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People often say this, but it's not really true. This is the first time he's been convicted in a criminal trial, but in civil trials he's already been fined half a billion for various types of fraud with The Trump Org, The Trump Foundation and Trump University. + fines for sexual abuse, defamation, filing frivolous lawsuits, contempt of court, violating gag orders, etc.

Tally it all up and it's already really a pretty impressive resume. And we still have many more trials to go (although Cannon is doing her best to stop that).
 
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