Social Dogs of Peace Maul 3-Month-Old To Death in Rochester, NY

[Goatenstein]

Learning that a person owns a pit bull gives me an instant negative opinion of them—an opinion that cannot be overcome until they rid themselves of the damn thing(s). A pit bull owner is either stupid, selfish, or some combination of the two.

What an arrogant sack of shit you are.

 

[badascan]

It's far from normal. Been around a half dozen Pits in my life and Every Single One was a great dog that had the traits and temperament of a great pet.

Sorry to bust the bubble of people that read the MSM horror stories and think they're all killers.

Don't assume people assume they're all killers. What's undeniable is this breed has a much higher predilection to aggression and because of their traits this makes them more dangerous than most if not all breeds...

I've also been around far more pleasant pits than not. Doesn't change the fact they're a dangerous breed and need real guidance from their owners.

 

[Renard]

If you look at the list of documented fatalities from dog attacks worldwide and in the US, around 90% of deaths implicate a pitbull, a pitbull mix or a group of them, and the victims are overwhelmingly children and women. The empirical evidence shows that pitbulls are about 10x more likely to kill someone than other breeds. We also know that pitbulls were often bred and trained to be used in dog fighting, it's not much of a mystery where that inclination for violence comes from.

The odds of any particular pitbull biting someone is extremely low. It does make a difference on a population level. Like if all pitbulls disappeared from the US tomorrow by magic, it would save dozens of lives every year.

 

[nonoob]

What's undeniable is this breed has a much higher predilection to aggression and because of their traits this makes them more dangerous than most of not all breeds...

NO Question. The breeding background and jaw structure is impressive, a single bite from one can easily do serious damage. Danger from Pitts to any small animals is a real possibility, with the owner ultimately being held responsible.

 

[Halifax]

There was a woman I loved and when I moved out of state, I would have done a lot to get her to move with me. I'd have build her mom an apartment to make it work. But she had this huge, creepy pit she didn't train and I couldn't bring my kid around. So we broke up. Sometimes I think, maybe I fucked up. But I didn't. Fuck those dogs.

You did the right thing.

Even Bill Burr, who was a huge pit apologist for so long, cracked and sent his pit bull away once his wife was nearing the birthdate of their first kid.

He got on his podcast and admitted his dog is a psycho and that he's been lying for years and that it was a ticking time bomb and knowing he was about to have a kid , they had to admit the truth and get rid of the dog before the kid was around.

 

[badascan]

NO Question. The breeding background and jaw structure is impressive, a single bite from one can easily do serious damage. Danger from Pitts to any small animals is a real possibility, with the owner ultimately being held responsible.

I've got good friends who are a couple and the wife grew up with a father who kept pits and bred them so she will never get a different breed nor acknowledge a single negative thing about them, they've had two pits since I've known them (almost two decades) and I've loved their dogs. Quick story, they had a very drunk, shoeless man break into their house at 0300 in the middle of a Michigan winter who when my friend met him pointing a shotgun at him, found him sitting on their couch petting their pit Totty... Rip Tots...

Another couple of friends had a pit which eventually had to be locked in a room when company was around and which cost them friendships. I was the only person who could "play" with the dog, yank his toys around, etc. but it even came for me once when I got up to leave. The moment I turned my back it charged...

These animals have a kind of bloodlust, it's noticeable in their movements and the way they pay attention and interact and it's not something to be promoted or dismissed imo...

 

[Quadtavius Tuck]

Pit bulls are also known as nanny dogs. They are the best baby sitters. They are sweethearts and any incident like this is 100% human error.

 

[tramendous]

It's far from normal. Been around a half dozen Pits in my life and Every Single One was a great dog that had the traits and temperament of a great pet.

Sorry to bust the bubble of people that read the MSM horror stories and think they're all killers.

Ya but if it ever got angry youd be in trouble. Thats usually the story with these dogs “he was such a nice dog, never saw this coming”

 

[Gutter Chris]

If you look at the list of documented fatalities from dog attacks worldwide and in the US, around 90% of deaths implicate a pitbull, a pitbull mix or a group of them, and the victims are overwhelmingly children and women. The empirical evidence shows that pitbulls are about 10x more likely to kill someone than other breeds. We also know that pitbulls were often bred and trained to be used in dog fighting, it's not much of a mystery where that inclination for violence comes from.

The odds of any particular pitbull biting someone is extremely low. It does make a difference on a population level. Like if all pitbulls disappeared from the US tomorrow by magic, it would save dozens of lives every year.

It wouldn't. Different breeds have had the killer rep across the ages. Certain people would gravitate to a new big powerful dog , breed em retarded , care for them shitty, the pounds will be full of them and their mutts and the cycle begins anew. Again and again.



And tragic as each individual story is for the people involved it's also a non issue when you look at the numbers. Between pure breeds and shelter mutts they are a super duper common dog and like 99.9 percent of them are just the normal family dog not doing anything but what a good boy does.

Check this out ....if pit dogs should be banned due to their number of fatalities caused than shouldnt anything putting up similar numbers or higher also be deemed too dangerous for society? Motorcycles ? Dirt bikes and atvs ? Guns ? Alcohol ? Private pools without a lifeguard ? Cars with more horsepower than they need ? No more pit dogs will save dozens you say ...what kinda numbers do you think the things I just named are putting up ?

As an observation with this shitty emotional logic It always sounds silly when the things proposed to be banned are things that people like, take part in or are a part of their everyday lives and seem normal to them but then when they don't like something, it isnt a part of their lives and it doesnt seem routine and normal of course it's just seems like good common sense to ban them .

 

[nonoob]

Ya but if it ever got angry youd be in trouble. Thats usually the story with these dogs “he was such a nice dog, never saw this coming”

Abso-phukken-lootly. At a cookout, played HARD with a big healthy dog named Zeus. After petting h im, he brought his towel over to me. Tug-o-war time came, with this Pitt growling savagely, digging like hell in reverse 4-paw-drive and pulling me totally off balance. That powerful dog had SherDOG strength. The owner was amused and amazed, he said he was always nervous to play rough with him. I've always had a sixth sense with all animals, even scary stuff like snakes and spiders. Zeus was cool & played just as hard as I did, No doubt if that friendly pitt hit me with his fully capable savage mode, I'd have been instantly ripped apart. We had fun, I'm happy to call that sweet dog my buddy.

 

[Other]

I'm just curious how one dog breed can have a disproportionate amount of bad owners over all other dog breeds. It's like there's another reason for this. Almost.

 

[tramendous]

Abso-phukken-lootly. At a cookout, played HARD with a big healthy dog named Zeus. After petting h im, he brought his towel over to me. Tug-o-war time came, with this Pitt growling savagely, digging like hell in reverse 4-paw-drive and pulling me totally off balance. That powerful dog had SherDOG strength. The owner was amused and amazed, he said he was always nervous to play rough with him. I've always had a sixth sense with all animals, even scary stuff like snakes and spiders. Zeus was cool & played just as hard as I did, No doubt if that friendly pitt hit me with his fully capable savage mode, I'd have been instantly ripped apart. We had fun, I'm happy to call that sweet dog my buddy.

Its your life lol. The reason why we dont keep chimps as pets isn't because you can't train a chimp its because like pitbulls, if they ever get pissed someone is going to really really really badly get hurt or killed. This isn't as big of a problem with other breeds.

 

[Gutter Chris]

I'm just curious how one dog breed can have a disproportionate amount of bad owners over all other dog breeds. It's like there's another reason for this. Almost.

Because a lot of people choose that breed for the wrong reasons and then on top of that once they have it they don't care for it properly. An absolute match made in heaven. They are sensitive as fuck , need to be socialized into the family and feel like they belong to that family as well as needing a great deal of exercise and attention...they dont get that chained up on a 4 foot chain in the sunlight with no food no water and no positive behavior reinforcement or by being locked in a cage 18 hours a day. I wonder if there is some kind of connection between the attack statistic and the fact the same breed is also considered the most abused and also makes up the bulk of rescues. That can't be a coincidence.

Not every person who's got a pitbeast is a lowlife....however it seems like every low life's first choice for a dog is the pit beast and I can't quite explain why that is. And honestly they as a breed are probably way more work than your average scumbag wants to put in after all they are likely very busy being a scumbag and it's very unfortunate that never seems to dawn on them til the dog dies or gets taken away or escapes or they abandon it or it bites someone.

 

[Gutter Chris]

You did the right thing.

Even Bill Burr, who was a huge pit apologist for so long, cracked and sent his pit bull away once his wife was nearing the birthdate of their first kid.

He got on his podcast and admitted his dog is a psycho and that he's been lying for years and that it was a ticking time bomb and knowing he was about to have a kid , they had to admit the truth and get rid of the dog before the kid was around.

Bill burr did something a lot of pet owners struggle with . His wouldn't have been a story of just snapped one day he told constant stories about that dog showing all kinds of warning signs that it had problems. Had he kept it and it bit one of his kids you can bet his previous tales about that dog would be coming up.



It's a lot more rare for a dog that's been gentle it's whole life to just go mad one day.


One of the things we never get with pitbull attack stories is people being honest about the warning signs they ignored or the retarded shit they did that lead up to the attacks. No one who fucked up ever wants to admit they fucked up. Like yea rocko has shown signs of aggression and yea he's not fixed and has 2 females in heat in the house because we breed them and we totally just let this situation go on while our toddler is on the floor playing unattended. No we never walked him or really interact with him or trained him and we mostly keep him chained to fencepost in the yard except for when it rains...its always he wouldn't hurt a fly and I don't always think that's the truth.



In my opinion that wasn't him getting rid of a pitbull because he was having kids ...that was him getting rid of a dog he new to be aggressive because he was having kids. There's a bit of nuance it's not quite the same.

 

[Other]

Pit bulls are also known as nanny dogs. They are the best baby sitters. They are sweethearts and any incident like this is 100% human error.

I think you’re thinking of newfoundlands, they’re referred to as nanny/nursemaid dogs.

But you are correct it is, 100% human error. Humans are responsible for creating the breed.

 

[Halifax]

Learning that a person owns a pit bull gives me an instant negative opinion of them—an opinion that cannot be overcome until they rid themselves of the damn thing(s). A pit bull owner is either stupid, selfish, or some combination of the two.

*shrugs

If the owner is one of the rare "good owners", I wouldn't worry.

Problem is, many dog owners are not good owners even if they think they are , and pits require a lot more work than most dogs

A 22 year old college chick is often just as bad an owner as a tattooed dirtbag. Just in different ways.

Folks often don't realize what committing to 1.5 to 2 hours of rigorous exercise a day in a dog means to their personal time. Then they start to cheat after a few weeks because they had a hard workday and just want to throw on netflix ans relax. Eventually they just walk it around the block to poop and think that's good enough.

 

[Halifax]

It wouldn't. Different breeds have had the killer rep across the ages. Certain people would gravitate to a new big powerful dog , breed em retarded , care for them shitty, the pounds will be full of them and their mutts and the cycle begins anew. Again and again.



And tragic as each individual story is for the people involved it's also a non issue when you look at the numbers. Between pure breeds and shelter mutts they are a super duper common dog and like 99.9 percent of them are just the normal family dog not doing anything but what a good boy does.

Check this out ....if pit dogs should be banned due to their number of fatalities caused than shouldnt anything putting up similar numbers or higher also be deemed too dangerous for society? Motorcycles ? Dirt bikes and atvs ? Guns ? Alcohol ? Private pools without a lifeguard ? Cars with more horsepower than they need ? No more pit dogs will save dozens you say ...what kinda numbers do you think the things I just named are putting up ?

As an observation with this shitty emotional logic It always sounds silly when the things proposed to be banned are things that people like, take part in or are a part of their everyday lives and seem normal to them but then when they don't like something, it isnt a part of their lives and it doesnt seem routine and normal of course it's just seems like good common sense to ban them .

The problem is, a Lab compared to a pit is like a pellet gun being compared to a bazooka

One causes minor punctures, the other routinely even in survival cases, causes the need to reattach tendons and muscle and reconstructive surgery.

It should require training and registration

 

[method115]

You did the right thing.

Even Bill Burr, who was a huge pit apologist for so long, cracked and sent his pit bull away once his wife was nearing the birthdate of their first kid.

He got on his podcast and admitted his dog is a psycho and that he's been lying for years and that it was a ticking time bomb and knowing he was about to have a kid , they had to admit the truth and get rid of the dog before the kid was around.

Yea I remember hearing him talk about that. I think he said his trainer ended up taking the dog and he still seems him\her here and there. Smart move on Bills part.

I love dogs but I wont fuck with any dog that I think could have any possibility of killing me or my wife. My 25 pound dog is the biggest and I could toss her with one hand across the room. I actually have to keep her away from people now since she seems to have a habit of biting people but softly she never breaks skin. The thing is people don't know her so of course anyone would freak out with any unknown dog softly biting them. I don't now why she's doing it and if they yelled at her to get away she would she's a scared dog and does it when they aren't looking. After she goes though I'm done with dogs until maybe I retire and I'll do it again with an older dog no more pups for me. 1 year at least.

 

[Madmick]

Because a lot of people choose that breed for the wrong reasons and then on top of that once they have it they don't care for it properly. An absolute match made in heaven. They are sensitive as fuck , need to be socialized into the family and feel like they belong to that family as well as needing a great deal of exercise and attention...they dont get that chained up on a 4 foot chain in the sunlight with no food no water and no positive behavior reinforcement or by being locked in a cage 18 hours a day. I wonder if there is some kind of connection between the attack statistic and the fact the same breed is also considered the most abused and also makes up the bulk of rescues. That can't be a coincidence.

This doesn't answer his question. It just creates more excuses. Why don't owners of other dog breeds fail to "care for them properly"?

Not every person who's got a pitbeast is a lowlife....however it seems like every low life's first choice for a dog is the pit beast and I can't quite explain why that is. And honestly they as a breed are probably way more work than your average scumbag wants to put in after all they are likely very busy being a scumbag and it's very unfortunate that never seems to dawn on them til the dog dies or gets taken away or escapes or they abandon it or it bites someone.

This is the only thing I've seen that probably explains, at least in part, the reason Pits are so disproportionately associated with maulings, assuming it is true, but I've seen no evidence to indicate it's true. To be clear, the only reason this would explain their disproportionate violence is if we accepted that their owners deliberately buy and train the dogs to be vicious, and/or look for opportunities to set them upon people similar to the guy who just itches for an excuse to use a weapon against others. The neglect to feed their dogs and to supervise children or family members might explain greater instances of violence in those situations.

However, I've seen no evidence substantiating it, or even how you would do so. Do we look at those with criminal records? Those who have lost custody of their children? Those cited by the city for not upkeeping their house? And how does the ratio of these kinds of owners correlate to the other breeds near the top of the chart for per-canine maulings?

It's far more likely the simpler answer is the right one. The reason Pits are such a problem is because the Pits themselves are the problem.

 

[Chappi]

So the parents were sitting there and watching it, I guess.
It simply cannot be the case that these are really, really, really stupid people and left a baby alone with dogs.
A few years ago this exact thing happened, but then it was a Dachshund that ate the babies face.
I guess tiny dachshunds are killer dogs as well and they should all be killed.
If you don't have the knowledge and skills to turn any agressive dog into a loving family dog, then you don't have the knowledge or skills to own any, ANY dog.
No dogowner with even a little knowledge would ever leave a small child alone with any type of dog, not even a Chihuahua.
Only a dumbass would do that and that dumbass is the one to blame for the death a his own child, not the dogs.