Elections DOGE is formed

[Darkavius]

Thank you for another example of lefties only feeling sympathy for those who share, or you suppose share, your political alignment.

The simple fact is government layoffs are needed, so they'll happen.
Just like they happen in the private sector.
No such thing as a forever job.

This is sarcasm, right? This argument is odd if you're serious. In the interview the guy who got fired is/was a Trump supporter who supported government being trimmed. Trying to see the "lefties" argument you are talking about here. You did say something interesting though that government layoffs are needed just like the private sector. Why are government layoffs needed?

The same government employee who you had working is now on unemployment. So they are collecting tax dollars still but now we are paying them to find work when they were already working. Wouldn't this just be artificially increasing the unemployment rate?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

This is sarcasm, right? This argument is odd if you're serious. In the interview the guy who got fired is/was a Trump supporter who supported government being trimmed. Trying to see the "lefties" argument you are talking about here.

@Sinister referring to him as a 'MAGAtard' in the first word of his post speaks volumes.

You did say something interesting though that government layoffs are needed just like the private sector. Why are government layoffs needed?

The 37 trillion dollar national debt, through excessive government spending, is why there needs to be government layoffs and massive spending cuts towards at the very least a balanced budget.

The same government employee who you had working is now on unemployment. So they are collecting tax dollars still but now we are paying them to find work when they were already working. Wouldn't this just be artificially increasing the unemployment rate?

This just seems like a revision of the "Illegal immigrants are costing tax payers money, but they'd cost even more to send them back to their countries' line of argument.

Yeah, it's about the same cost in the short-term, but for the long-term it costs the country far more.

 

[Rational Poster]

@Sinister referring to him as a 'MAGAtard' in the first word of his post speaks volumes.


The 37 trillion dollar national debt, through excessive government spending, is why there needs to be government layoffs and massive spending cuts towards at the very least a balanced budget.


This just seems like a revision of the "Illegal immigrants are costing tax payers money, but they'd cost even more to send them back to their countries' line of argument.

Yeah, it's about the same cost in the short-term, but for the long-term it costs the country far more.

They're cutting taxes more than twice as much as spending.

Proposed tax cuts will add over $20T to the debt over 10 years not even getting into the deficit spending that still exists.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

They're cutting taxes more than twice as much as spending.

Proposed tax cuts will add over $20T to the debt over 10 years not even getting into the deficit spending that still exists.

Sure bro. Nice source you have there.

One of the reasons why your side has no credibility on what Trump's economical consequences for taxes and spending is that your side didn't give a damn about Biden's economical consequences for taxes and spending... especially for his proposed Keynesian tax hikes.

Somewhat reminds me of Democrats always complaining how much a southern border wall would cost, while ignoring the multiple times more was wasted with foreign aid.
You don't really give a shit about the money it 'costs' you just don't want it.

 

[Rational Poster]

Sure bro. Nice source you have there.

One of the reasons why your side has no credibility on what Trump's economical consequences for taxes and spending is that your side didn't give a damn about Biden's economical consequences for taxes and spending... especially for his proposed Keynesian tax hikes.

Somewhat reminds me of Democrats always complaining how much a southern border wall would cost, while ignoring the multiple times more was wasted with foreign aid.
You don't really give a shit about the money it 'costs' you just don't want it.

It doesn't require a source of you can do basic math.

 

[Darkavius]

The 37 trillion dollar national debt, through excessive government spending, is why there needs to be government layoffs and massive spending cuts towards at the very least a balanced budget.

If you're looking towards a more balanced government spending bill then cutting government spending and taxes alone wouldn't help achieve a balanced budget. You can't just cut your way to a balanced budget. You have to have some taxes coming in. Trump is cutting taxes and getting rid of government employees but as we learned from his last administration those tax cuts increase the deficit. So I don't really get your excessive government spending argument when the tax cuts have increased the national debt before and will again. This has been done with multiple Repub Presidents, not just Trump.

This just seems like a revision of the "Illegal immigrants are costing tax payers money, but they'd cost even more to send them back to their countries' line of argument.

Yeah, it's about the same cost in the short-term, but for the long-term it costs the country far more.

A lot of assumptions in the last sentence. There's the assumption that the fired worker would get a job or jobs paying a living wage. There's an assumption said fired worker wouldn't just retire and get on Social Security which increase government expenditures. There's also the assumption that the market can handle all of the changes. I will make an assumption myself then.

At the end of every Republican administration in the past 40 years there has been a recession. If you are going to cut people out of the government then they have to go somewhere. Either back on government assistance (which defeats the point of cutting them in the first place) or to the private sector. What gives you confidence that the private sector can handle these changes? History has shown that the private sector cannot sustain itself without government help unless you want to go back to the late 1800 and early 1900's before organized labor laws. To be fair though you might be a Libertarian in which this argument is pointless.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

If you're looking towards a more balanced government spending bill then cutting government spending and taxes alone wouldn't help achieve a balanced budget. You can't just cut your way to a balanced budget. You have to have some taxes coming in. Trump is cutting taxes and getting rid of government employees but as we learned from his last administration those tax cuts increase the deficit. So I don't really get your excessive government spending argument when the tax cuts have increased the national debt before and will again. This has been done with multiple Repub Presidents, not just Trump.

Biden added 80K IRS agents.
Haven't heard they justified their employment by just auditing the poor and middle-class, as to the rich who employ tax attorneys to pay as little taxes as possible.

As for 'can't just cut your way to a balanced budget'... no shit, and no one is saying they're just cutting to a balanced budget.

'Tax cuts. Tax cuts. Tax cuts.'
Wow... mentioning people being able to keep more money they have earned rather than be confiscated and wasted by the government.
To you lefties that's like showing Dracula the cross.

'Tax cuts have increased the national debt'
Ummmm no, government spending did and currently does.
Or rather, the government borrowing money from the federal reserve to waste the vast majority of it on wars and bullshit.... to the tune of $2+ trillion every recent year.
Hopefully the next step is for the federal government to abolish the federal reserve and cancel its debt to it.
Go ahead and makeup some predictions of the apocalypse if that were to happen.

There's the assumption that the fired worker would get a job or jobs paying a living wage.

Don't give a shit what a 'living wage' is.
It all depends what wage they're willing to accept.
It may be significantly less than when they were when they were getting paid far more than they were worth under the federal government.

There's an assumption said fired worker wouldn't just retire and get on Social Security which increase government expenditures. There's also the assumption that the market can handle all of the changes. I will make an assumption myself then.

*Yawn*
Do you care this much when there's mass private sector layoffs?
Even I don't.
It happens.
Don't ever get too comfortable.
Doesn't matter if it's with the IRS or McDonalds.

And if the vast majority of the layoffs are in Washington DC and the local private economy can't handle the new available potential hires... guess what will happen?
There's something that happens whenever that happens in the private sector... people move away to where job opportunities are.
Federal jobs can become state jobs in states a long distance away... or a state much closer. It all depends on the individual.

At the end of every Republican administration in the past 40 years there has been a recession.

Yeah, recessions happen.
Hopefully government overreach doesn't happen to extend it into a depression.
And hopefully this Republican administration doesn't pay off big banks like the last asshole Republican president did.

If you are going to cut people out of the government then they have to go somewhere. Either back on government assistance (which defeats the point of cutting them in the first place) or to the private sector.

Oh no... not the private sector!
You mean the sector that the vast majority of the working class spends the entirety of their working years in?
That'd be horrible for a public sector employee to degrade themselves into becoming a private sector employee.

What gives you confidence that the private sector can handle these changes? History has shown that the private sector cannot sustain itself without government help unless you want to go back to the late 1800 and early 1900's before organized labor laws. To be fair though you might be a Libertarian in which this argument is pointless.

Sounds like alot of government workers that shouldn't have had jobs in the first place.
Hope they saved up.
Hope they'll find work in another federal department thats hiring (maybe DOGE).
Maybe they'll move.
Maybe they can ask Nancy Pelosi for investment advice.

 

[Darkavius]

Biden added 80K IRS agents.
Haven't heard they justified their employment by just auditing the poor and middle-class, as to the rich who employ tax attorneys to pay as little taxes as possible.

As for 'can't just cut your way to a balanced budget'... no shit, and no one is saying they're just cutting to a balanced budget.

'Tax cuts. Tax cuts. Tax cuts.'
Wow... mentioning people being able to keep more money they have earned rather than be confiscated and wasted by the government.
To you lefties that's like showing Dracula the cross.

'Tax cuts have increased the national debt'
Ummmm no, government spending did and currently does.
Or rather, the government borrowing money from the federal reserve to waste the vast majority of it on wars and bullshit.... to the tune of $2+ trillion every recent year.
Hopefully the next step is for the federal government to abolish the federal reserve and cancel its debt to it.
Go ahead and makeup some predictions of the apocalypse if that were to happen.

Don't give a shit what a 'living wage' is.
It all depends what wage they're willing to accept.
It may be significantly less than when they were when they were getting paid far more than they were worth under the federal government.


*Yawn*
Do you care this much when there's mass private sector layoffs?
Even I don't.
It happens.
Don't ever get too comfortable.
Doesn't matter if it's with the IRS or McDonalds.

And if the vast majority of the layoffs are in Washington DC and the local private economy can't handle the new available potential hires... guess what will happen?
There's something that happens whenever that happens in the private sector... people move away to where job opportunities are.
Federal jobs can become state jobs in states a long distance away... or a state much closer. It all depends on the individual.


Yeah, recessions happen.
Hopefully government overreach doesn't happen to extend it into a depression.
And hopefully this Republican administration doesn't pay off big banks like the last asshole Republican president did.



Oh no... not the private sector!
You mean the sector that the vast majority of the working class spends the entirety of their working years in?
That'd be horrible for a public sector employee to degrade themselves into becoming a private sector employee.

Sounds like alot of government workers that shouldn't have had jobs in the first place.
Hope they saved up.
Hope they'll find work in another federal department thats hiring (maybe DOGE).
Maybe they'll move.
Maybe they can ask Nancy Pelosi for investment advice.

You could have just said you're a Libertarian and it would have been quicker to write. At least this is the way it comes off. However, you did ask do I care if there are mass private sector layoffs. Sure, I do. I work in the private sector and I hate it because I've seen how it effects people first hand, how it effects society and how it ruins customer experiences. I mean we've seen it first hand twice in 2008 and in 2020.

You said you don't give a shit about a living wage and that said person may be making significantly less than when they were when they were getting paid far more than they were worth under the federal government. This is an assumption that Fed employees are making bank when the guy in the video was making 50k annually (I think) but it's okay if he makes less? Having people closer to the poverty line or under is exactly what you want in a first world country.

 

[AmonTobin]

Limiting government subsidies to big pharma would have been one of the biggest and obvious targets for Doge but no let’s shut down NIH and CFPB funding instead. Priorities.


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[GearSolidMetal]

You could have just said you're a Libertarian and it would have been quicker to write. At least this is the way it comes off.

Apparently Libertarians are much more correct than incorrect.
Conservatives ain't conserving shit.
Both conservatives and liberals tall a big game about cutting waste, fraud, and abuse... but look at how much government spending and the national debt has risen over the last 25 years, and what does the American People have to show for it?

Sure, I do. I work in the private sector and I hate it because I've seen how it effects people first hand, how it effects society and how it ruins customer experiences. I mean we've seen it first hand twice in 2008 and in 2020.

I've seen it in 2012 and 2024.
What did I do? Simply applied for a new job.
Exact same thing everyone that just got laid off in the federal government. Shit sucks but it happens.

You said you don't give a shit about a living wage and that said person may be making significantly less than when they were when they were getting paid far more than they were worth under the federal government. This is an assumption that Fed employees are making bank when the guy in the video was making 50k annually (I think) but it's okay if he makes less? Having people closer to the poverty line or under is exactly what you want in a first world country.

Only making $50K? In Washington DC? That ain't shit.
Sounds like he may be making far more in his next job if he's willing to move around and possibly change his career goals.

Sounds like he has two choices.
*Keep doing 'feel sorry for me' interviews.
*Polish up his resume and look around the entire nation for openings.

 

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[avenue94]

Thank you for another example of lefties only feeling sympathy for those who share, or you suppose share, your political alignment.

The simple fact is government layoffs are needed, so they'll happen.
Just like they happen in the private sector.
No such thing as a forever job.

In other news...

I'm struggling to see the argument here. Is it that Democrats should use a time machine to go back and prevent that from happening? That Biden directly gave access to the researchers?

The IG report recommended changes that the IRS endorsed, is the IRS supposed to go back on that or something?

That DOGE workers need to go through the same type of training that researchers went through?

 

[avenue94]

They're cutting taxes more than twice as much as spending.

Proposed tax cuts will add over $20T to the debt over 10 years not even getting into the deficit spending that still exists.

Be nice to MSG, he's not the best at economics. He was convinced the EITC was a who, not a what.

A lot of assumptions in the last sentence. There's the assumption that the fired worker would get a job or jobs paying a living wage. There's an assumption said fired worker wouldn't just retire and get on Social Security which increase government expenditures. There's also the assumption that the market can handle all of the changes. I will make an assumption myself then.

The funny thing is libertarians would love to point to Singapore or Hong Kong as shining cities on the libertarian hill, but they don't want to talk about the Iron Rice Bowl.

Apparently Libertarians are much more correct than incorrect.

Based on what? lol. Have you ever heard the often wild shit that comes from thinktanks like Cato?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I'm struggling to see the argument here.

Yeah, I'm very sure you are, Av.
Keep struggling with it.
I'm sure you'll see the argument if you concentrate hard enough.

 

[avenue94]

Yeah, I'm very sure you are, Av.
Keep struggling with it.
I'm sure you'll see the argument if you concentrate hard enough.

I'm genuinely trying to understand your timeline here.

1. During the Biden administration, researchers and volunteers, most of whom went through training or have subject matter expertise, had access to the data warehouse.
2. IG did a report a year or two later, concluded there was room for improvements in controls.
3. IRS agreed with IG recommendations and decided to make changes.
4. Now we're in 2025, and your argument is that we should revert to the old status, even though DOGE scrubs never went through training or have expertise?

Baffling argument.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I'm genuinely trying to understand your timeline here.

Yup, I'm positive you are.

 

[Fergelmince]

More savings found by DOGE

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Turns Out, Trump and DOGE Haven’t Actually Saved Any Money​

Donald Trump and Elon Musk claim they’re saving billions through the Department of Government Efficiency’s mass purge of federal bureaucracy, but government spending has actually gone up since Inauguration Day.

According to an analysis published Wednesday by Reuters, the Trump administration spent $710 billion between January 21 and February 20, nearly a billion more than Joe Biden spent in a similar time period last year.

The majority of that spending has gone to health and retirement programs, as well as interest payments, apparently more important investments than Medicare, global health, and air travel safety, all of which have faced or will face drastic cuts.

Through the Department of Government Efficiency, Elon Musk has fired over 20,000 federal workers and gutted a number of federal agencies, most notably the U.S. Agency for International Development, which spent $42 billion in 2023. The cuts are part of Musk’s goal to reduce the federal deficit by $1 trillion by 2026, a likely impossible feat, especially given the administration’s newly revealed spending habits.

Unsurprisingly, many of DOGE’s claims have been exaggerated or fraudulent. The department claimed to have cut an $8 billion ICE contract—the real amount was $8 million, The New York Times reported. An analysis from The Washington Post found that hundreds of contracts DOGE claimed to cancel were actually already finished, resulting in absolutely zero savings.

DOGE is now facing a number of legal challenges and intense backlash from the GOP.

Turns Out, Trump and DOGE Haven’t Actually Saved Any Money

Government spending has continued.

newrepublic.com

shocking!

 

[AmonTobin]

"I moved on them (the American people) like a bitch."

"Nobody's more transparent than us".