Elections DOGE is formed

[avenue94]

I’m sure you for proof of the paying into the program but not getting benefit. Why is there fake SSNs? You’re kind of justifying musk lol .. also no comment on COBOL ?

What do you think illegal immigrants without SSNs do? That coupled with typos and clerical errors, as is the case with any massive decade spanning database

For COBOL, open to being wrong, I've seen smarter people than me argue either way. I do suspect the queries were not great, alongside command of what the data actually was. But hard to tell either way until Musk actually provides evidence of his claims.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Name a name of anyone who died at 150 year old.

Gullible is not just a river in Africa:

is likely that the claim that Musk discovered 6.5 million people above the age of 112 collecting Social Security payments misrepresents the findings of this audit. While the report did find 6.5 million people with no death information above the age of 112 in the Numident, payments were only sent to 266 beneficiaries recorded as 112 or older.

In 253 of these cases, "discrepancies in SSA records indicated the beneficiary receiving payments was not actually born before June 16, 1901," thus making them younger than 112 as of June 15, 2013 (while published in 2015, the audit was conducted between November 2013 and September 2014).

Only 13 people who "were likely" above the age of 112 were still collecting payments, according to the audit, which also noted that as of 2015, only 35 known living individuals worldwide were aged 112 or older.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

is likely that the claim

Musk's claims have not been presented with publicly available proof.
That is a fact, so individuals who trust Musk believe him and whom distrust him don't.

But pure speculation with vague terminology such as 'it is likely' add nothing to the discussion.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Musk's claims have not been presented with publicly available proof.
That is a fact, so individuals who trust Musk believe him and whom distrust him don't.

But pure speculation with vague terminology such as 'it is likely' add nothing to the discussion.

I too wish to only read 5 words into a post and then write off the facts that follow it bc it doesn’t reenforce my preconceived notions and confirmation bias.

 

[Crazy Source]

Musk's claims have not been presented with publicly available proof.
That is a fact, so individuals who trust Musk believe him and whom distrust him don't.

But pure speculation with vague terminology such as 'it is likely' add nothing to the discussion.

Why in the world would you just "trust" someone when it comes to things this important? And that what you guys think we should do? Add to that the fact that Elon has an agenda here. He wants to gut the gov't of regulation and oversight while lessening his tax burden even more.

 

[BFoe]

I feel like DOGE personnel wouldn’t know a Treasury Dept payment system’s “critical code” if it bit them in their skinny jeans. Also, “almost impossible”, loosely translated, means “possible”.

Lol point taken. And yeah, I’m sure they could come across lines of code that are convoluted, or they don’t understand, we encounter that at my job and we’re not a business that operates at anywhere near the scale of the Fed. I can’t even imagine what a mess it must be for something like the Treasury. But that’s hardly the same thing as what they’re alleging.

You can reply as quick as you want, you have a Fedor Av.

It does seem impossible. Or maybe it just means the federal governments spending habits are a mess, random and no supervision. Some money went where it was supposed to go, some didn't. It is untraceable, no records were kept.

I personally got audited by the irs. They made me trace every transaction over a 3 year period multiple ways. The Fed is now being audited, and they have no records to back things up.

Cheers, appreciation for FedorGOAT bridges all political divides

I think it’s premature to say the government can’t explain this or that no records were kept. It seems like Elon and DOGE are making these types of judgments and statements pretty rashly, without really investigating it fully. And I think it’s on purpose. They put these things in the news to shape perception of something, and later we find that the real situation is not like DOGE presented it.

It reminds me a little of when the Cyber Ninjas did that election audit in AZ. Lots of click-baity reports, almost tabloid like, but most of it was nonsense and it was a big nothing burger in the end.

 

[avenue94]

It reminds me a little of when the Cyber Ninjas did that election audit in AZ. Lots of click-baity reports, almost tabloid like, but most of it was nonsense and it was a big nothing burger in the end

People just also don't understand tradeoffs well or data flaws. For example SS could probably purge bunch of people they think are dead and save a small sum of money, but that would also screw over a lot of very alive people. And the government can better absorb some minor waste that then old people relying on SS suddenly losing it.

 

[Andy Capp]

lol they absolutely did. These seem like indiscriminate firings.

Oh, I'd say they're definitely discriminating--against anyone who doesn't swear fealty to President Big Orange Turd.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Elon Musk said on X, formerly known as Twitter, he would ask President Donald Trump about a proposal for a “DOGE Dividend” that would give taxpayers a refund check of $5,000 funded by the savings from his Department of Government Efficiency.

 

[Rational Poster]

Inflation is bad except for when I do it.

 

[Misfit23]

Surely this will help bring down the deficit.

 

[Protectandserve]

How about I just get a break on paying my taxes instead…

I’m tired of getting hosed. And for me with child support, getting extra money doesn’t help.

Not paying taxes on my own money would help me more.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Republicans should buy some TV ads and play this, unedited

 

[Prutfis]

Surely this will help bring down the deficit.

Its only 660 billion. They are sending that weekly for condoms in Gaza

 

[Contempt]

Well that sounds like a terrible idea...

 

[Osculater]

But I thought printing out free monies increases inflation and shit?!

 

[Osculater]

But Musk and the wealthy are going to pocket the bigger checks

 

[Rational Poster]

Based on some quick math...

131M households x $5,000... is over $650B

So even with the pretend savings from DOGE so far, it would cost the Fed over $600B.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

But I thought printing out free monies increases inflation and shit?!

Would it be considered "printing money" if they cut a trillion and refund 600 billion to the tax payer? Not sure how that would impact inflation under that scenario.

 

[Darkavius]

In Musk's own words "If America does not get the deficit under control America will go bankrupt." So explain how sending out money you're supposedly "saving" helps in controlling the deficit? Didn't Bush 2 also send out money to taxpayers during his second term and it was followed by the Great Recession?