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Elections DOGE is formed

Trump should pull the ultimate troll job and say the main function of DOGE is to free up resources to expedite the process of granting asylum seekers citizenship. Then when anyone complains about it they can be labeled hypocritical racists.
 
And thats where you're losing everybody.
You're crediting Elon as only having a 'Above Average IQ' despite his many accomplishments that rival anyone else in business in modern times, while not crediting him to know the difference between discretionary and mandatory spending.

You're drawing that conclusion based purely upon his off-handed quote that he believes he could find $2 trillion of cuts from the budget.
What part of intelligence being multifaceted do you not understand? Competence in one realm of life does not assure competence in another realm. I've pointed out I think his temperament and lackluster leadership qualities, his wacky ideas for policy and the world, and let's not forget that as soon as he gets upset he'll accuse someone of being a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile. I'm looking for a clear eyed subject matter expert to solve this problem. Elon ain't that.
Didn't mean 'tech bro' to be an insult, but apparently you were so offended by it you're using it as an excuse to not answer the questions and roll it back into an insult in my direction.
Yes, when people are actually insulted, they refer that as a "deadly insult."
Could just say 'I have no idea how I would advise what departments to cut to lower government spending' but you don't want to take the L on that because you want to portray yourself to be smarter than Elon Musk.
I said the first part is diagnosing the problem. That means doing your homework before opening your mouth. Kind of the hallmark of a good consultant. I love how you want me to have more specific ideas than the guy you claim is qualified for the gig. I personally would look at DoD first and getting its accounting standards up to date. Decrease overall spending their to align with a less aggressive foreign policy. As for healthcare, shifting toward a more public model would bring down costs. This is also has to be paired with increased taxes on higher income folks, eliminating the SS payroll tax phaseout, etc.
Don't bother playing the 'Republicans have been apart of the problem too' card because that is common knowledge. The difference is modern Republicans, not the uni-party, are the only group with an interest in curving government spending.

So the GOA identifies waste and.... then nothing happens.
Great. There's another department to add to the chopping block.
Who are these republicans interested in curving government spending? I mean names.

And who would find government waste if not agencies like the GOA or DCA?
 
What part of intelligence being multifaceted do you not understand? Competence in one realm of life does not assure competence in another realm.

Brilliance in one realm doesn't assume retardation in another realm either.

I've pointed out I think his temperament and lackluster leadership qualities, his wacky ideas for policy and the world, and let's not forget that as soon as he gets upset he'll accuse someone of being a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile. I'm looking for a clear eyed subject matter expert to solve this problem. Elon ain't that.
You're referring to this story?
Yeah, you're really reaching with the justification that Elon is easily emotionally compromised.

Yes, when people are actually insulted, they refer that as a "deadly insult."
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Okay 'Tech Bro.'
Such a deadly insult.
I personally would look at DoD first and getting its accounting standards up to date. Decrease overall spending their to align with a less aggressive foreign policy. As for healthcare, shifting toward a more public model would bring down costs. This is also has to be paired with increased taxes on higher income folks, eliminating the SS payroll tax phaseout, etc.
No sarcasm : Thank you for answering the question, and for once we're in agreement for alot of it... except the last sentence.

One thing that's always amazed me is how liberals/leftists don't understand is how taxing the rich increases the products/services for everybody, especially the poor & middle class.

The rich don't get rich by working by the hour or by a salary.... they get rich by supplying goods & services to the masses. The every step of the development & transportation of the product & service is implimented into the final price... including the taxes.

Another way to look at it is the rich don't pay taxes, they collect taxes that are implimented within the price the consumer pays... just like employers also collect taxes from their employees before they receive their paychecks.

So, everytime you cheer for the rich getting their taxes raised... congratulations on your costs of everyday necessities going up, because YOU'RE paying the rich's taxes.

Who are these republicans interested in curving government spending? I mean names.
Until proven otherwise, everyone appointed to Trump's administration.

And who would find government waste if not agencies like the GOA or DCA?

Anyone actually being willing to find government waste, which the GOA & DNA... because they haven't find much.

Lets see how well they start doing their jobs if they're threatened with their department is shut down.
 
You're referring to this story?
Yeah, you're really reaching with the justification that Elon is easily emotionally compromised.
Yup, that's just the kind of level headed temperament I want in government.
Brilliance in one realm doesn't assume retardation in another realm either.
Again...you don't seem to realize how big a fail in civic knowledge it is to not understand mandatory spending.
The rich don't get rich by working by the hour or by a salary.... they get rich by supplying goods & services to the masses. The every step of the development & transportation of the product & service is implimented into the final price... including the taxes.
What goods and services are you referring to exactly? This economic logic is...extremely dubious. If I raise the effective tax rate on a consultant making 300K a year from 15% to 20%, how much does the cost go up for customers of companies that guy consults for?

A lot of high pay jobs are frankly economic deadweight.
Until proven otherwise, everyone appointed to Trump's administration.
So what you're saying is you have no evidence these people have tried to cut spending or reduce the national debt. lol
Anyone actually being willing to find government waste, which the GOA & DNA... because they haven't find much.

Lets see how well they start doing their jobs if they're threatened with their department is shut down.
How does one find government waste without the help of a bunch of auditors and folks who know how to investigate for fraud? Are we crowdsourcing that to Twitter now too?
 
Yup, that's just the kind of level headed temperament I want in government.

"Level headed temperment."

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Again...you don't seem to realize how big a fail in civic knowledge it is to not understand mandatory spending.
Again... you don't seem to realize that Elon can learn civics, if he didn't know already.
What goods and services are you referring to exactly?
The goods and services that had their prices raised, sometimes multiple times, over the past five years.
This economic logic is...extremely dubious. If I raise the effective tax rate on a consultant making 300K a year from 15% to 20%, how much does the cost go up for customers of companies that guy consults for?
Name a time the income tax was raised for a specific profession or job.

If everyone working for a company making 300K taxes are raised from 15% to 20%, including the executives, do you think they're just going to be happy with living with 5% less than they used to make? Or are they going to impliment that cost into the products they provide?
So what you're saying is you have no evidence these people have tried to cut spending or reduce the national debt. lol
So what you're saying is the GOA and DNA have been successful in cutting spending or reduce the national debt? Lol.
How does one find government waste without the help of a bunch of auditors and folks who know how to investigate for fraud? Are we crowdsourcing that to Twitter now too?
Depends on the individuals within the GOA & DNA.
Perhaps a few would be willing to do their jobs, perhaps for the first time ever.
 
"Level headed temperment."
Certainly level headed compared to the only other option I had to vote for in 2020.
Again... you don't seem to realize that Elon can learn civics, if he didn't know already.
Yeah man, I love it when people learn on the job instead of finding a candidate who already has experience and knowledge before. but sure, let's just go with Elon taking a Civics 101 crash course 5 hours a week or whatever time he has for this side gig.
The goods and services that had their prices raised, sometimes multiple times, over the past five years.
Give me an example of one that rose due to increased income tax.
Name a time the income tax was raised for a specific profession or job.

If everyone working for a company making 300K taxes are raised from 15% to 20%, including the executives, do you think they're just going to be happy with living with 5% less than they used to make? Or are they going to impliment that cost into the products they provide?
I'm providing an example of a situation where income tax isn't passed along to consumers, not literally saying pass a tax targeting one profession.

ok...maybe I should have explained marginal tax rates to you since you don't seem to understand that. But let's set that aside. The company would only raise their prices if customers can pay that increase and competitors are also raising prices. This scenario doesn't usually happen. Passing along a 5% tax on all income up to 300K would result in a rounding error's increase in COGS.
So what you're saying is the GOA and DNA have been successful in cutting spending or reduce the national debt? Lol.
You keep ducking. Nut up or shut up: you claim that this new wave of the GOP wants to reduce debt or deficits. So who are these people? Names, please.
Depends on the individuals within the GOA & DNA.
Perhaps a few would be willing to do their jobs, perhaps for the first time ever.
Again, ducking because you realized how fucking childish your ideas were and incompatible with reality. "Let's do away with the DCA because normal citizens can assess whether contracts are being followed and efficient"
 
Certainly level headed compared to the only other option I had to vote for in 2020.

Nice qualifier.
'I consider my political opponents to be less level headed than my preferred party leaders.'

Yeah man, I love it when people learn on the job instead of finding a candidate who already has experience and knowledge before. but sure, let's just go with Elon taking a Civics 101 crash course 5 hours a week or whatever time he has for this side gig.
Sure dude, because everyone figures he doesn't already know it, because we're all focusing on one quote implying he doesn't.

Give me an example of one that rose due to increased income tax.
It didn't rise due to an increased income tax, but because of the fed printing money to the tune of tens of billions.

Increased prices for products and services isn't just because of taxes rising, but also due to deflation of currency.

I'm providing an example of a situation where income tax isn't passed along to consumers, not literally saying pass a tax targeting one profession.
Thats a piss-poor example because not only has it never happened it will never happen.

Why are you trying to deflect from executives to consultants?
You keep ducking. Nut up or shut up: you claim that this new wave of the GOP wants to reduce debt or deficits. So who are these people? Names, please.
You're demanding names within the GOP putting a high priority of reducing government spending and national debt, while not naming anyone from the GOA and DNA you'd be hyped to see as consultants to Elon.

Call me a duck right after you've been a duck. GTFO.


Again, ducking because you realized how fucking childish your ideas were and incompatible with reality. "Let's do away with the DCA because normal citizens can assess whether contracts are being followed and efficient"
As far as I'm concerned the GOA & DNA have been useless toward the goals their departments are supposedly focused upon.

And you agree, because you can't name any successes of those departments toward removing government waste in spending.

Pretty sweet gig they have.
Getting paid to do nothing at all.
 
Nice qualifier.
'I consider my political opponents to be less level headed than my preferred party leaders.'
Always with the straw horses. More like I consider the guy who can take an L and not try to illegally stay in the office and refuse ot help transition administrations the more level headed guy. There are plenty of GOP politicians I consider level headed.
Sure dude, because everyone figures he doesn't already know it, because we're all focusing on one quote implying he doesn't
Yet no one was asking for his estimate, he just decided to bare his whole dumb ass on this issue. That's on him.
It didn't rise due to an increased income tax, but because of the fed printing money to the tune of tens of billions.

Increased prices for products and services isn't just because of taxes rising, but also due to deflation of currency.
Again, you're arguing that increasing taxes on the rich increases the cost of goods and services. What is the evidence of this? Your evidence is even more flimsy than the Laffer Curve.
Thats a piss-poor example because not only has it never happened it will never happen.

Why are you trying to deflect from executives to consultants?
Says the guy who claims increasing taxes on wealthy people increases the costs of goods and services but can't name any examples of this.
You're demanding names within the GOP putting a high priority of reducing government spending and national debt, while not naming anyone from the GOA and DNA you'd be hyped to see as consultants to Elon.

Call me a duck right after you've been a duck. GTFO.
I said literally take any of the IGs over Musk. Come on, again with the panic wrestling. Can you name even one Magahead who has consistently voted to reduce deficits and debt?
As far as I'm concerned the GOA & DNA have been useless toward the goals their departments are supposedly focused upon.

And you agree, because you can't name any successes of those departments toward removing government waste in spending.

Pretty sweet gig they have.
Getting paid to do nothing at all.
Again. Let's say those two governments are eliminated. How do you imagine finding waste and fraud without them? Also I lvoe how you are blaming the messenger here, not hte people refusing to hear that message.

Also bonus points for complaining about fraud and mismanagement that is often unearthed in GAO reports. Brilliant.
 
Yet no one was asking for his estimate, he just decided to bare his whole dumb ass on this issue. That's on him.

'His whole ass on the issue.'
Keep giving examples why no one should take you seriously on any issue related to Elon Musk.

Again, you're arguing that increasing taxes on the rich increases the cost of goods and services. What is the evidence of this? Your evidence is even more flimsy than the Laffer Curve.
My evidence is based on common sense.
If your source of income is producing goods and services, every aspect of those being provided is imbeded within the final price.

If the any of the basic parts or ingredients used to create the product suddenly rise in price, the final price of the product must rise to maintain the same profit margins.

If the business taxes are raised but you want to maintain the same profit the final price must rise.

If the employees demand a raise, and you want the same profit the final price must rise.

If the transportation from the factories to the consumer rises, the price of the final product must rise.

If the currency is deflated but you want to maintain the same buying power for the money you do make, the final price must rise.

The rich don't like living with less, so they pass the buck over to the consumer... which ironically leads to the consumer literally passing more bucks over to them.

This isn't hard to figure out.

Says the guy who claims increasing taxes on wealthy people increases the costs of goods and services but can't name any examples of this.
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Sooner or later the left are going to ask themselves 'How are we taxing the rich so much and they keep getting richer and richer?'

Because they rig the game in their favor, because both economical realities and the politicians they buy are on their side.
I said literally take any of the IGs over Musk. Come on, again with the panic wrestling. Can you name even one Magahead who has consistently voted to reduce deficits and debt?
Name any if those IGs off the top of your head.

Go.

Again. Let's say those two governments are eliminated. How do you imagine finding waste and fraud without them? Also I lvoe how you are blaming the messenger here, not hte people refusing to hear that message.
Why not both?
Whats preventing the GOA & DNA from going public over their findings?
And I absolutely blame both parties, the uni-party, being unwilling to cut government spending.
 
Ok... so 155 IQs don't impress you much.
Wouldn't you agree, as someone who works in tech, that people with high-IQs should also be in government positions?


Haven't seen any examples of a lack of basic civic knowledge of critical thinking.


By being a trans-activist for sex change surgeries of children.



Anyway, thank you for confirming how accepting you are for the lack of qualifications for Democrat administration appointees, but highly critical for highly accredited, accomplished, and exoerienced appointees for Republican administrstions.


Tbf I don't think we should go off IQ. I know people with very high IQs who are academically smart but fucking retarded common sense wise.

Not an opinion on Musk though.
 
My evidence is based on common sense.
If your source of income is producing goods and services, every aspect of those being provided is imbeded within the final price.
So's the Laffer Curve. That you cannot provide a single specific example of when raising income tax on wealthy people increased costs of goods and services is damning.
Sooner or later the left are going to ask themselves 'How are we taxing the rich so much and they keep getting richer and richer?'

Because they rig the game in their favor, because both economical realities and the politicians they buy are on their side.
Gee, I dunno, because Trump massively cut taxes on the rich? And yeah, the American economic system is rigged in favor of the wealthier, which the GOP loves reinforcing with terrible policy ideas.
Why not both?
Whats preventing the GOA & DNA from going public over their findings?
I swear to God, you are on a mission to demonstrate how bad your civic knowledge is. They already do this.
And I absolutely blame both parties, the uni-party, being unwilling to cut government spending.
Ya, so strange how the deficit explodes when Republicans are in office and cut revenue while spending even more. Spending is only important in the context of revenue. It's not only cutting the former, the latter has to go up too (aka what most developed countries do already)
 
This is exactly what American's have been demanding for decades! Finally hope that the waste and bloat will be addressed and eliminated! We can cry about spending and debt and joke about million dollar toilets and wrenches and useless or even damaging programs tax payers fund but we just accept it and continue bitching, now there's a chance some of these things will be addressed... And by people who've proven capable. This could be an amazing thing for America.

The TV propagandists talking points are also hilariously embarrassing... As usual...
 
Great. Start with the bloated military budget.

Also, has anyone actually explained the mechanics of how this is supposed to work? Where do they fall in the system of checks and balances or nation is founded on?
They don't. As I understand it, they're an advisory board hired by Trump. They have no other function and have no autonomy to take any action. Calling it a department is deliberately misleading.
 
So's the Laffer Curve. That you cannot provide a single specific example of when raising income tax on wealthy people increased costs of goods and services is damning.

Name a product that's price was risen and the store announces exactly why its price was risen.

Then compare those two or three examples you're about to post to the tens of thousands of price increases for products across a year.

As a tech bro, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Gee, I dunno, because Trump massively cut taxes on the rich? And yeah, the American economic system is rigged in favor of the wealthier, which the GOP loves reinforcing with terrible policy ideas.
And 'President Kamala' would have continued the Trump tax cuts or there'd be a big downturn in the economy, as there always is when taxes for the rich rise.

The rich got richer before Trump.
The rich got richer during Trump.
The rich got richer after Trump.
The rich will get richer with Trump back.
I swear to God, you are on a mission to demonstrate how bad your civic knowledge is. They already do this.
They update their website once a week.
Wow... such a great example of quality work by a federal department.

Ya, so strange how the deficit explodes when Republicans are in office and cut revenue while spending even more. Spending is only important in the context of revenue. It's not only cutting the former, the latter has to go up too (aka what most developed countries do already)
This isn't a 'But the Republicans did it worse' issue while the Democrats are still criticizing their own leadership for not spending enough money on bullshit like sex changes for illegals and prisoners.
 
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