Elections DOGE is formed

[Bob Sagat]

Or his terrible peace plan for ending the war in Ukraine and suggestion that Taiwan be annexed by China. Or his public transport ideas.

I don't agree with those either but policy isn't really his job here

Or the countless conspiracy theories and childish mudslinging he frequently partakes in.

you mean like everybody does including the sitting president of the united states?

What happened to all his complaints about voter fraud? They evaporated all of a sudden as soon as his guy won.

what did happen to them?
you think both sides are done angling and voter id will never be addressed again?

Something tells me he won't see welfare subsidies to the general population the same way he sees subsidies to his companies.

he did not make the subsidies for his company. he simply used them like polstar or rivian do. and then you're twisting that into some kind of hypocrisy for a job he hasn't even started yet. guilty until proven innocent.

 

[avenue94]

You don't know the government.

Exactly what do 400+ federal departments do?

Pick a department and ask if you're so curious. Do you think every Tesla employee knows every department of their company? This is terrible logic, "I've never heard of it so it must not be necessary"

 

[Bob Sagat]

Musk is a ruthless profiteer, no doubt about that, he brings a crap ton of value as well, so it's not all for nothing. I imagine his end game is to have his products universally accepted worldwide.

if musk is half as insidious as people think he is on here he'd do a GREAT job with the waste cutting gig and use it to angle for more power and then abuse that

 

[ShadowRun]

 

[avenue94]

I don't agree with those either but policy isn't really his job here

So being in charge of cutting budgets and allocating resources isn't government policy?

what did happen to them?
you think both sides are done angling and voter id will never be addressed again?

He realized he'd be owning himself if he kept prattling on about fraud when he got the outcome he wanted. So he either never believed the fraud and was just lying, or he believes fraud happened but it doesn't matter since Trump won. Which is it?

he did not make the subsidies for his company. he simply used them like polstar or rivian do. and then you're twisting that into some kind of hypocrisy for a job he hasn't even started yet. guilty until proven innocent.

I'm pointing out it makes him a poster child of hypocrisy given his public belief that subsidies are antithetical to his psuedo libertarian beliefs. It's also a glaring conflict of interest to not divest from all these companies before transitioning to a job that affects government contracting. Or are you going to tell me that being head of DOGE is a part time job he can juggle with being CEO?

 

[ShadowRun]

 

[I Am Legion]

So the pressure will be on this 'department' to make perennial cuts to your infrastructure, or at a certain point does it hit a limit and get shelved as pointlessly expensive too?

I can tell you a normal citizen can look at the spending and waste and make changes that would be worth their salaries. People that run companies should be even better at it. I did it for a company I worked for after being there less than a year. We had an employee that actually had NO responsibilities. He did nothing but triple check a report, 2x a month. He got paid 75k a year. His internet usage was close to 6 hours a day.

There is tons of waste in the Government. Take a look at this crazy shit:

https://www.rd.com/list/wasteful-government-spending-examples/

 

[avenue94]

Genuine question: How many hours of week do you think Musk will dedicate to this new gig since he's given no indication that he'll fully step down from his companies.

 

[Bob Sagat]

So being in charge of cutting budgets and allocating resources isn't government policy?

International policy (the point of this particular criticism you made) isn't the job he was hired for

He realized he'd be owning himself if he kept prattling on about fraud when he got the outcome he wanted.

what are you talking about? if you asked him if there was voter fraud in this election you think he'd say there was none? you're putting words in his mouth

I'm pointing out it makes him a poster child of hypocrisy given his public belief that subsidies are antithetical to his psuedo libertarian beliefs.

He runs a business and EVs need all the help they can get right now. musk running a business = bad

It's also a glaring conflict of interest to not divest from all these companies before transitioning to a job that affects government contracting. Or are you going to tell me that being head of DOGE is a part time job he can juggle with being CEO?

this is very true but also we have zero idea how long the position actually lasts for as well as the full actual details about the authority he'll have

 

[ShadowRun]

Genuine question: How many hours of week do you think Musk will dedicate to this new gig since he's given no indication that he'll fully step down from his companies.

Good question I would imagine 10-20 and work less for his companies , delegating some power. I don’t think he will be sleeping on couches in the Oval Office though . He was on campaign trail for a few months for Trump , look at how effective he was in PA.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Trump just officially started DOGE, the department of government efficiency. It is getting run by Musk and Vivek is in it also. The plan is to cut back on goverment wasteful spending as we are trillions in debt.

So a new department is created to cut back on government waste and business regulation and is headed by the richest guy in the world.

This is another oil magnate in charge of the EPA type of relationship.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Pick a department and ask if you're so curious.

No, explain why the federal government needs 400+ departments.

 

[NoSmilez]

No complaints when they start building more charging stations.

 

[WuDi]

Maybe wait and see what he actually does before being overly confident about that.

I replied to your question. People of America would be extremely outraged if George Soros was appointed any position in the government. The same people are excited to see Musk in it. The problem of giant deficit and government overreach bothers people of America and they will support fighting it. They won't support open borders and mutilation of children.

 

[ShadowRun]

 

[avenue94]

International policy (the point of this particular criticism you made) isn't the job he was hired for

You're really stretching here by arguing that his foreign policy views are irrelevant even though he would have influence over which foreign policy-enacting government departments get how much funding. Or are you pretending that DoD and the State Department are exempt from his purview?

what are you talking about? if you asked him if there was voter fraud in this election you think he'd say there was none? you're putting words in his mouth

Why isn't he accusing Trump of winning through voter fraud since he was insisting that voter fraud was a serious concern this election?

He runs a business and EVs need all the help they can get right now. musk running a business = bad

He should use his own bootstraps and win on his own merits, without the government teat then.

this is very true but also we have zero idea how long the position actually lasts for as well as the full actual details about the authority he'll have

And yet here you are insisting that he'll do great despite little evidence in that direction and ample evidence that he is woefully unqualified for the position and likely to abuse it. Or is too much to ask government officials to step back form running their multibillionaire businesses?

Good question I would imagine 10-20 and work less for his companies , delegating some power. I don’t think he will be sleeping on couches in the Oval Office though . He was on campaign trail for a few months for Trump , look at how effective he was in PA.

What is going to do with these 10 hours a week? You can't even interview your staff and pick them in less than 10 hours lol.

 

[avenue94]

No, explain why the federal government needs 400+ departments.

I'm not arguing that it needs 400+ departments. I'm arguing that Musk is woefully in over his head and has laughable knowledge of policy and government. He claims that he'll cut at least $2 trillion dollars in annual spending. How will he do that given that's more than US discretionary spending?

 

[Satsui Ryu]

just wait another 4 years and if things went south for orange man your deep state crooks will be back in power

I love these deep state conspiracies. A cabal of infinitely rich and powerful elites doing dastardly things to destroy our lives.

But this blatant conflict of interest is being justified because the people involved cannot be bribed or corrupted because they are... elite.

Seems like the deep state would more likely be on the right since they can simply do acts of corruption in the wide open and they will be cheered on for it.

 

[RoastBeast]

You must hate teh science!

 

[CubicleGangster]

the richest person in the world now has a position in our government
no one should be celebrating this