Dog meat: There are countries that eat it !

[SFMMA]

What city? Going to Seoul in about a month. I can update.

Gwangjang Market in Seoul. Make sure you try the mung bean pancakes at the nexus of the entire place (although they're interspersed throughout), although basically everything I had there was good (other than dog). I also had live octopus with some gochujang that was fun to try too. It is not to be missed.

 

[Banchan]

I dont eat pig for exactly the same reason. Only eat free range, healthy chickens

chickens can count to 20, understand that an object still exists even though its been removed from sight and smell and realize they are looking at their own reflection in a mirror. most dogs cant do any of those things.

 

[Banchan]

Most of them have, which is why they are not wolves.

i dont think you understand how that works. humans didnt "invent" dogs.

 

[Banchan]

They've no idea they're going to die. They've no concept of abbatoirs.

A well looked after farm animal has a much better life than most wild animals.

very stupid assumption. are you saying that dogs know what death is or that theyre going to die? what youre talking about is awareness that something is wrong and that something very bad is about to happen and all mammals have that instinct including farm animals.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

i dont think you understand how that works. humans didnt "invent" dogs.

Yes we did. The first dog ever was built by sowing a wolf's head to a goat's body. After that, things just kind of took off.

 

[Banchan]

Yes we did. The first dog ever was built by sowing a wolf's head to a goat's body. After that, things just kind of took off.

do you know what ethnocentricism is? thats the nature of your argument


example

omg im western
omg dogs are mans best friend
dogs > all animals
therefore you should not eat dog


the unfortunate reality is that dogs are treated like shit in most areas of the world not just in asia. people might not eat them but they none the less treat them poorly and its primarily a western sentiment that dogs are special type of animal deserving special type of treatment over all other animals. in most regions of the world dogs are viewed as dirty parasites.

 

[Codger]

very stupid assumption. are you saying that dogs know what death is or that theyre going to die? what youre talking about is awareness that something is wrong and that something very bad is about to happen and all mammals have that instinct including farm animals.

No animal would know.

I'd say dogs, which are bred to be highly tuned into reading humans, would have a better chance of picking up on the vibe than a chicken.

 

[Banchan]

No animal would know.

I'd say dogs, which are bred to be highly tuned into reading humans, would have a better chance of picking up on the vibe than a chicken.

and you would be wrong. all animals posess that instinct. it has little to do with being in tune with people and introducing the animal to a new environment, person or task and they immediately become suspicious and try to evade you and escape.

 

[mushishi]

Gwangjang Market in Seoul. Make sure you try the mung bean pancakes at the nexus of the entire place (although they're interspersed throughout), although basically everything I had there was good (other than dog). I also had live octopus with some gochujang that was fun to try too. It is not to be missed.

Thanks, I'll give it a look. Definitely will try the mung bean pancakes, but I think I'll pass on the squirming octopus. lol

 

[Rjay]

I ate dog at a North Korean restaurant on the China-NK border, it was awesome. Absolutely delicious.

 

[AgentSmecker]

Let me make it clear that I'm not saying we should use intelligence purely to pick and choose. I was arguing that suffering isn't equal across all species merely because they have neurons, a point made by a previous poster. I'm personally OK with killing animals to eat them, or wear their fur for that matter as long as they're kept and killed well. I've kept animals myself and looked after them. They had a fine life and died better than most people I know. But intelligence is a factor in suffering and I'm willing to bet you'd feel better about killing a fly than than a chimp.

It's true that a retarded person or a baby wouldn't have the sense of threat at all and could be killed as humanely as a farm animal. And of course we do use this fact in abortion and turning off life support machines of coma victims etc.

Our little club is humans. Humans are our species. We have higher standards for ourselves. I don't think that counts as arbitrary. it's hardly on a whim or at random. our entire society is based on valuing other humans and empathising with them and we don't apply these standards to animals.

When you start arguing that animals should have the same position as humans you lose me.

The rest of your little spiel aside all you're really saying here is the you feel you are justified in exploiting non human animals simply because we are human and they are not. Not any different than a white man saying our lives are more important than non whites because we are white and they are not. Quite simply it's not any kind of rational argument whatsoever.
Like so many people you have been brought up to regard non human animals as lesser beings, as little more than commodities and you are unable or unwilling to challenge your archaic thought patterns. Sad for you but even sadder for the billions of sentient beings who must continue to endure immense suffering and senseless slaughter by human hands because those such as you cling to these outmoded and barbaric beliefs for dear life.

 

[AgentSmecker]

very stupid assumption. are you saying that dogs know what death is or that theyre going to die? what youre talking about is awareness that something is wrong and that something very bad is about to happen and all mammals have that instinct including farm animals.

You seem very much in tune with the nature and emotions of non human animals Banchan, but knowing what you know do you not feel you have a duty to act upon this knowledge?

 

[koolinkunming]

i don't eat pork, to be fair.

The Sausage King doesn't eat pork???

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!

 

[Jayzer193]

There is zero difference between dogs or cows or pigs or goats etc. Killing them all is equally disgusting and sadistic and unnenecessary imposition of pain and suffering. Every country simply has their own hypocrisy as to which animal to consider "sacred."

So you are a vegan but in your signature it says you eat cock. Such a hypocrite.

 

[Jayzer193]

I dont eat anywhere near as much cock as your momma tho

Wait- I misread you, my apologies. It's says you only lick Irish balls, so I guess you could technically claim to be vegan. (I mean, your vegan buddies would all look down on you tasting ball meat, but technically wouldn't stop hanging out with you. )

 

[Banchan]

No animal would know.

I'd say dogs, which are bred to be highly tuned into reading humans, would have a better chance of picking up on the vibe than a chicken.

i just want to give you an example about chickens versus dogs and how you believe dogs know that something is wrong more so than chickens. in a broiler barn, normally chickens will run toward technicians that walk through the barn frequently looking for food. the technician is wearing a full body suit. if a different technicians walks through the barn, the chickens will clear a path running away from the new technician because theyre afraid when they see someone theyve never seen before. dogs wont do that necessarily every time they see someone new. so in fact chickens ducks and other types of poultry, their nervousness and awareness of danger is actually more heightened than that of dogs and are likely to recognize a stressful situation far faster than a dog.

even at slaughter dogs see other dogs being dragged off and not coming back and then smell its flesh but they actually dont panic until you try to seperate it and take it out of the cage, then it starts to panic. you see them just laying there doing nothing, not even barking. chickens and birds will pace the bottom of the cage looking for an exit.

 

[Banchan]

He knows all this. He is just acting a fool to justify his bullshit he is spewing. No point taking him seriously.

He doesnt even get the idea that none of this "humane" raising of animals and "humane" killing of them even needs to happen at all, in the first place. He's one of those "better a life in slavery than no life at all" idiots. It's a non starter premise.

well i dont disagree with the concept of humane farming handling and slaughter, i disagree that there are special parameters that dogs should be exempt while all others are fair game and i especially disagree with his reasoning which is factless wishful thinking at best.

 

[Sir Galahad]

 

[Banchan]

Et tu Brute...

There is no need for any of the farm animals to exist in the first place. You silly people are discussing a creation of a liability (risk of imposing suffering) and then you try to find a way to minimize this liability (humane farms). I say DONT create the liability in the first place. There is absolutely no need for it. No need to impose existence in slavery, no matter how comfortable, on new sentient things. Thats just asking for trouble.

i never said it was a need, humans don't exist on need alone unless we have too. the vast majority on things we live on are wants. we dont need running water but we want running water.

 

[Banchan]

This isnt even what I am talking about.

i admire that you have given up meat its the very best thing you can do to eliminate suffering for farm animals and help the environment however for those of us with will power none so great we do what we can to at least minimize the impact. its not exactly what you are looking for but its better than not doing anything at all.