Does Kia/Hyundai still have the stigma they had back in the 90s when they first started here in the US?

[SirRealKiller]

Yes, they make dogshit engines.

I owned a 2012 Forte. Engine blew at 80K miles and I did oil changes ever 3k miles and all the maintenance by the manual. They made engines with bad rod bearings for the better part of a decade and never fixed the issue, some caused engine fires and you wouldn't even get a check engine light or anything ahead of time. From what I hear they are still making engines with bad rod bearings.

I understand every company has a lemon or two from time to time but Kia has made millions and millions of cars with ticking time bomb engines. Their fix on recalls? We will put a sensor in to tell you when your engine will blow up.

 

[SirRealKiller]

Two most reliable brands on the market now, no?

Absolutely not.

Honda,Toyota, and Subaru are by far the most reliable.

 

[SirRealKiller]

I'd buy a Hyundai but I wouldn't buy a kia

They're made by the same company usually in the same factories.

 

[Fedorgasm]

They're made by the same company usually in the same factories.

So were my wife and her sister, but I only fuck one!

 

[jx820]

I’m not sure about others opinions.

I’ve had my Hyundai for 12 years now and just about to replace it. I’d get another but the nearest dealer is 2 days drive away. Switching to Honda CRV (I think).

The CRV is great mechanically, but he electrical/infotainment system sucks. The whole car runs on a computer I trust less than a 80s era comodor pet.

 

[Wrath of Foamy]

I have a Kia Rio, 2013.

It's my first car. I've had it for seven years and aside from being a bit underpowered, it's served me well.

It's also quite cheap to insure and to service, which is what you need when first starting.

I'll be getting a new car when finally buy my first property, but my little car will always have a place in my heart.

 

[ObsoleteSoul]

The stigma is definitely still there, but folks are broke, and get what they can.

 

[SirRealKiller]

The CRV is great mechanically, but he electrical/infotainment system sucks. The whole car runs on a computer I trust less than a 80s era comodor pet.

I have had good experiences with Subaru Forresters and Honda Civics and CRV. Wife is on her 3rd Forrester, first two made it to 200k without any major repairs. I have a 2012 Civic with 200k on it, nothing but maintenance stuff done to it. I had a CRV that made it to 225k before it got taken out when a drunk ran into it while parked on the street. That thing probably would have made 300k+.

 

[Natural Order]

Absolutely not.

Honda,Toyota, and Subaru are by far the most reliable.

I think you should do some Googling sir. JD Power report in 2023 says Kia ranks highest dependability in mass market segment, followed by Buick, Chev, Mitsubishi and then Toyota.

 

[Natural Order]

Wife has had Kia Sportage and Hyundai Santa Fe back to back over last 12 years and we havent put a dime in either other than regular service. Solid, reliable vehicles that suit most people (hence why theyre everywhere)

 

[SirRealKiller]

I think you should do some Googling sir. JD Power report in 2023 says Kia ranks highest dependability in mass market segment, followed by Buick, Chev, Mitsubishi and then Toyota.

JD Power? That's a joke. Ask mechanics, that's who you should ask. JD Power is complete garbage. It's based on vehicles purchased new in the past three years. Do you buy a new car every three years? If so reliability means nothing as most issues with reliability do not become known in the 1st three years. Most poorly made cars will typically last 3 years.

 

[Natural Order]

JD Power? That's a joke. Ask mechanics, that's who you should ask. JD Power is complete garbage. It's based on vehicles purchased new in the past three years. Do you buy a new car every three years? If so reliability means nothing as most issues with reliability do not become known in the 1st three years. Most poorly made cars will typically last 3 years.

MotorTrend must be a joke too. All the lists based on pp100 must be a lie. Ill take your word for it and not my 12 years owning them and professional lists noting the same.

Good talk champ.

 

[chardog]

The stigma is definitely still there, but folks are broke, and get what they can.

I think there's less of a stigma since they've become more common.

 

[SirRealKiller]

MotorTrend must be a joke too. All the lists based on pp100 must be a lie. Ill take your word for it and not my 12 years owning them and professional lists noting the same.

Good talk champ.

Motortrend does theres similarly to JD Power, first three years. Again, are you only worried if your car last the first three years? All of these things you quote only look at the first three years.

Again, go ask mechanics and see which cars have the most issues and Kia will be one of the top ones.

Do some of your own research. Google "Kia Car problems" and see how many class action lawsuits are going against them.

 

[chardog]

MotorTrend must be a joke too. All the lists based on pp100 must be a lie. Ill take your word for it and not my 12 years owning them and professional lists noting the same.

Good talk champ.

I see it more simply, how many of their older cars are still on the road, that's a good indicator of reliability or at minimum, the resistance to unloading the car to the dumpster.

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Rank	Model	% Chance of Lasting 250,000+ Miles	Compared to Average
1	Toyota Tundra	36.6%	4.2x
2	Toyota Sequoia	36.4%	4.2x
3	Toyota 4Runner	26.8%	3.1x
4	Toyota Tacoma	26.7%	3.1x
5	Toyota Highlander Hybrid	25.9%	3.0x
6	Honda Ridgeline	25.8%	3.0x
7	Chevrolet Suburban	22.0%	2.5x
8	Toyota Avalon	22.0%	2.5x
9	Lexus GX	20.7%	2.4x
10	Chevrolet Silverado 1500	18.8%	2.2x
11	GMC Yukon XL	17.9%	2.1x
12	Chevrolet Tahoe	17.7%	2.1x
13	Honda Pilot	17.5%	2.0x
14	Honda Accord	16.6%	1.9x
15	GMC Sierra 1500	16.1%	1.9x
16	Ford F-150	15.8%	1.8x
17	Toyota Highlander	15.7%	1.8x
18	Nissan Titan	14.8%	1.7x
19	GMC Yukon	14.6%	1.7x
20	Honda CR-V	13.9%	1.6x
21	Toyota Camry	13.5%	1.6x
22	Ford Expedition	13.1%	1.5x
23	Honda Accord Hybrid	13.1%	1.5x
24	Nissan Pathfinder	13.0%	1.5x
25	Toyota Prius	12.6%	1.5x
26	Nissan Armada	12.6%	1.5x
27	Mazda CX-9	12.4%	1.4x
28	Acura MDX	11.9%	1.4x
29	Honda Odyssey	11.5%	1.3x
30	Ram 1500	11.5%	1.3x

 

[Substance Abuse]

'I'm going to ask dumb questions rather than use Google.'.

 

[SirRealKiller]

I see it more simply, how many of their older cars are still on the road, that's a good indicator of reliability or at minimum, the resistance to unloading the car to the dumpster.

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Top 30 Vehicles Most Likely To Last 250,000+ Miles – iSeeCars Study*
Rank	Model	% Chance of Lasting 250,000+ Miles	Compared to Average
1	Toyota Tundra	36.6%	4.2x
2	Toyota Sequoia	36.4%	4.2x
3	Toyota 4Runner	26.8%	3.1x
4	Toyota Tacoma	26.7%	3.1x
5	Toyota Highlander Hybrid	25.9%	3.0x
6	Honda Ridgeline	25.8%	3.0x
7	Chevrolet Suburban	22.0%	2.5x
8	Toyota Avalon	22.0%	2.5x
9	Lexus GX	20.7%	2.4x
10	Chevrolet Silverado 1500	18.8%	2.2x
11	GMC Yukon XL	17.9%	2.1x
12	Chevrolet Tahoe	17.7%	2.1x
13	Honda Pilot	17.5%	2.0x
14	Honda Accord	16.6%	1.9x
15	GMC Sierra 1500	16.1%	1.9x
16	Ford F-150	15.8%	1.8x
17	Toyota Highlander	15.7%	1.8x
18	Nissan Titan	14.8%	1.7x
19	GMC Yukon	14.6%	1.7x
20	Honda CR-V	13.9%	1.6x
21	Toyota Camry	13.5%	1.6x
22	Ford Expedition	13.1%	1.5x
23	Honda Accord Hybrid	13.1%	1.5x
24	Nissan Pathfinder	13.0%	1.5x
25	Toyota Prius	12.6%	1.5x
26	Nissan Armada	12.6%	1.5x
27	Mazda CX-9	12.4%	1.4x
28	Acura MDX	11.9%	1.4x
29	Honda Odyssey	11.5%	1.3x
30	Ram 1500	11.5%	1.3x

Exactly. You almost never see really old Kia's on the road for a reason.

When I buy a car I expect that it will last at least a decade with proper maintenance. Kia's notoriously rarely make it over 150k Mostly due terrible engines that there are multiple class action lawsuits about.


What you can take from this data is large American made SUVs/Pickups and Japanese cars/cars are the most reliable and it's not even debatable. Though Nissan smaller cars have the absolute worst made transmissions in them and Mitsubishi is only average.

I would never buy a Kia unless I didn't plan on keeping it for more than a few years.

 

[ObsoleteSoul]

I think there's less of a stigma since they've become more common.

You’re right, there is less of a stigma for sure, but it’s still there. At least from my experience. There are still folks who think they are cockroach cars that only last so long. Not saying it is right or wrong, only that people still believe it.

 

[Natural Order]

Motortrend does theres similarly to JD Power, first three years. Again, are you only worried if your car last the first three years? All of these things you quote only look at the first three years.

Again, go ask mechanics and see which cars have the most issues and Kia will be one of the top ones.

Do some of your own research. Google "Kia Car problems" and see how many class action lawsuits are going against them.

10-4

 

[SirRealKiller]

You’re right, there is less of a stigma for sure, but it’s still there. At least from my experience. There are still folks who think they are cockroach cars that only last so long. Not saying it is right or wrong, only that people still believe it.

Yeah, the thing that gets people in is they give you this 10 year powertrain warranty. So people think they're covered for 10 years on the engine and transmission. Well, given the lawsuits going I would say they don't honor their warranties very well and also I think only the 5 year limited warranty applies to a used car. So you buy a used Kia with 40k miles on it that's 3 years old you have 2 years warranty on it. Car blows up at 75K miles 2 years later Kia ain't fixing it even if it's clearly due to a manufacturing issue.

I would not buy a new Kia unless I was going to get rid of it with 50k or less miles on it and I would not buy a used one no matter how cheap it is.