Does it feel like a superfight (stipe/dc)

[The Natural Born Runner]

Doesn't feel like a superfight to be honest.

Stipe isn't unbeatable to me, and DC isn't even the real champion at Light Heavyweight.

It's a great fight, a really great fight, that said, it doesn't feel SUPER.

Anderson Silva vs Georges St. Pierre, now that's a super fight.

 

[truthisfreedom]

Speaking about tools, were you one of those tools who were confident that Ngannou would kill and bury Stipe with the first shovel uppercut?

I noticed that you didn't address the original comment. I'm gonna call your bullshit double standards and hypocrisy every single time.

 

[tjumper78]

it is a legit superfight to me. HW champ vs LHW champ who is undefeated in HW!
it just feels like the ufc is not hyping it up enough.

 

[SubmarinerX]

Reigning Champ with several title defenses vs reigning champ with several title defenses - how is that not a superfight?

 

[chiefwiggum]

It’s a very good fight. Stipe isn’t a big enough name to be a super fight.
A Champ vs a champ isn’t an automatic superfight.
It’s just a really great fight and I’m really looking forward to it.

 

[BOSS]

I feel like Stipe lacks the personality for me to care about his fights all that much. I like the guy a lot but any BUILD UP he is in makes me kinda zzzzz. DC is a good fighter but clearly #2 guy in the division so I see him as interm champ and not a real one. DC's personality is also zzzzzzz so no I don't see this as a superfight. More like a very good fight between 2 very good fighters.

 

[Russie]

No matter what you think of the fighters it's still the HW champ VS the LHW champ. That's a thing.

 

[Woliwo]

Absolutely!
It's ridiculous how little hype this fight has.
Cormier was a great HW to being with.

 

[g*r*b]

I noticed that you didn't address the original comment. I'm gonna call you're bullshit double standards and hypocrisy every single time.

I was more interested in jumping on the pun and making a joke. My goal at the time was snark, not debate. And I wasn't going to dilute the effect with reasoned argument...

But even the joke has a certain point. Ngannou's power is a terrifying force, enough that it persuaded you Miocic had no chance whatsoever. Not even a chance by wrestlefucking. Then Stipe went ahead and thoroughly dominated and embarrassed the guy...but instead of marveling at how thoroughly he upended your expectation, you only complain it was boring.

Now as it so happens, I'm not a person who generally complains about a wrestle-heavy plan being boring. Before you accuse me of double standards, please try finding a post of mine that does that in a serious and aggrieved way. Before I made my comment I did my due diligence and checked a few pre-UFC 220 posts of yours to confirm my suspicions of you, and even then I hedged by framing my comment in the form of a question.

But if I were tempted to throw hate on a lay-and-pray, it would be about a fight where the stakes weren't so high and the need so obvious. I'm not going to bash a champ for following the only logical gameplan available to insure he keeps his belt. I'm not going to insist that a fighter DOESN'T take advantage of his opponent's flaw. If you love how wonderfully varied Mixed Martial Arts is, you need to accept that wrestlefuck is part of the variety.

And as to my opinion of the fight in question itself? That the first round was so fucking crazy and intense that it doesn't matter what the rest was like. I'd sit through 4 subsequent rounds of fighters making shadowpuppets in order to watch something like that.

 

[JKS]

Werdum beat a broken Cain, a older than dirt Mark Hunt, and you think Big Nog past like 2008 is a good win. Just stop posting. You look like a geek.

Yah, its a good win. Regardless of Nog being passed his prime he's still the second best hW of all time and submitted a high level BB like that is impressive. And Nog was still relevant a top HW in 2011, he was ranked top 5. Same with Cain, and no he was not broken lol.

Again, you don't seem to understand how the sport works and have a grasp on reality. Let me explain to you again.....there are no fighters that consistently fight and win over nothing but elite comp, in their prime with no faults. Every fighter that has a impressive win streak is going to have a mix of wins where you can find faults of injuries, out of prime fighters, lower ranked fighters etc. That's why your thought process and criticism of Stipe is very amateurish.

Even the best win streak in say Jon Jones and his 8 defenses and title win. Well all you hear is Vitor, Chael and Machida are MWs, Shogun and Rampage were beyond their prime, he should have lost to Gus. You can do the same with Anderson.....Leitas, Maia, Nate, Okami , Lutter and Cote were not elite and good to mediocre fighters, Vitor was coming of a two year lay off etc. You see what I am getting at?

You have this standard in mind that a fighter needs to beat nothing but elite competition, in their prime, injury free, on a big win streak etc to be impressive. It doesn't exist buddy! The fact that guys like Anderson, Jones, Fedor, and Stipe are doing what they're doing and really only a select few can do it is very impressive.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Why is DC a real HW but Tony Ferguson, Eddie Alvarez and Khabib, all who walk around/train/live over 185 pounds, aren't real MW?

DC lost alot of muscle to make the drop to 205. He's not putting that muscle back on anytime soon if he actually ever does again.

To answer the thread's question: yes. I'd like one of the 104 people who voted no to explain why the LHW champ, who cleaned out his division of POSSIBLE contenders, fighting the HW champ, who also cleaned out his division, isn't a superfight.

 

[Bamboozled]

Yah, its a good win. Regardless of Nog being passed his prime he's still the second best hW of all time and submitted a high level BB like that is impressive. And Nog was still relevant a top HW in 2011, he was ranked top 5. Same with Cain, and no he was not broken lol.

Again, you don't seem to understand how the sport works and have a grasp on reality. Let me explain to you again.....there are no fighters that consistently fight and win over nothing but elite comp, in their prime with no faults. Every fighter that has a impressive win streak is going to have a mix of wins where you can find faults of injuries, out of prime fighters, lower ranked fighters etc. That's why your thought process and criticism of Stipe is very amateurish.

Even the best win streak in say Jon Jones and his 8 defenses and title win. Well all you hear is Vitor, Chael and Machida are MWs, Shogun and Rampage were beyond their prime, he should have lost to Gus. You can do the same with Anderson.....Leitas, Maia, Nate, Okami , Lutter and Cote were not elite and good to mediocre fighters, Vitor was coming of a two year lay off etc. You see what I am getting at?

You have this standard in mind that a fighter needs to beat nothing but elite competition, in their prime, injury free, on a big win streak etc to be impressive. It doesn't exist buddy! The fact that guys like Anderson, Jones, Fedor, and Stipe are doing what they're doing and really only a select few can do it is very impressive.

TL;DR after you said Nog is a good win. If Nog was in a fucking wheelchair and lost you would still call it a good win. Just stop.

 

[Taric]

LHW champion vs HW champion is the definition of a superfight.

 

[Dead Kennedy]

I would consider it a super fight just because it’s the LHW champ taking on the HW champ. But by hype and interest alone, I wouldn’t consider it a super fight.

 

[Crimson Glory]

I don't see why it wouldn't?

- Two accomplished champions.

- Few losses.

- Both considered some of the best to ever do it in their own divisions.

- The LHW champ also having fought at HW prior and only lost to, well, many dispute him now, but up to that point JBJ was the best to ever do it, not only at that weight, but in the sport.

 

[Noleggeisha]

I am on fire for this one. If DC pulls it off, i will bring the house down.

 

[Judoka1532]

I think BJ Penn was the closest to making super fights happen, but he kind of killed the buzz by having already fought at 170. BJ Penn vs GSP 2 was a battle of dominant champions from different divisions, but Penn had already been at 170 before, so it was less of a novelty.

Miocic vs Cormier does not feel like a super fight due to Cormier having the recent Jones KO "no contest." I think of super fights as a battle between dominant champions, or at least champions with a decent recent history. The PEDS may deprive Jon Jones of a win, but we cannot unsee Cormier's loss.

Yea that all sounds right to me. I'm cool with calling it a big fight, because yea it is. Just not super. I suppose I could see stipe vs jones being a bigger fight. Still not that much of a legendary appeal to me. Miocic would need to win about 5 more fights and dominate like Jones normally does before I would start comparing him to Jones.

 

[Badr Hari]

if this is not a superfight than IDK what is a superfight

 

[wigglestick]

The LHW GOAT vs the HW champ with most title defenses, how is this not a superfight???

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

It should be, but something is really lacking so far, I don't know what it is.. its not just the promotion. I was watching some of the Ultimate Fighter and something is missing, can't put my finger on. Stipe gives of this weird vibe that he doesn't really care or want to be there.