Elections Do you think there was a better candidate that could have challenged Trump?

[curryjunkie]

They either need someone with Obama’s charisma and speaking skills or they need someone that’s hard for the right to attack.

Military background with little controversy, good speaker and middle of the road on issues voters care about. Not someone who is catering to the far left.

Which is why mark Kelly would have been ideal, but risking him on a short campaign would have been a waste. Dems aren't going to pick a female candidate next time that's for sure

 

[Dalarna3]

Literally any one of the 2020 Dem candidates would have been better

 

[tastaylvr]

In hindsight I think any male candidate would have won.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Perhaps, but Kamala was polling worse in all the polls before Biden dropped out than faceless Democrats. If the pollster simply inserted a young Democrat, this nameless Democrat was doing the best in those hypothetical head-to-heads at the time.

But Biden dipped, they slipped in Kamala, and the machine told everybody, "She's breaking records with fundraising!" and "Look at her crowds!" in what was such an obviously coordinated establishment play to fabricate likeability.

Nobody likes that bitch. There are many Democrats out there people might have liked. That's what the convention could have discovered. Kamala wasn't the incumbent, but they treated her like she was. She never won shit. What a mistake. They're paying for it.

Gave you the like but I think it could have been anyone and the "establishment" would have gotten behind them. Biden's campaign funds and delegates probably had more to do with her being chosen than anyone in the "establishment" favoring her.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

In hindsight I think any male candidate would have won.

First female President and a minority? N-word please...

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Literally any one of the 2020 Dem candidates would have been better

I can think of one or two Republicans that would have been better too.

 

[muaythaibeast]

I don't think there's any candidate the right could have put up that could have conceivably lost. They lost this 4 years ago with the awful decisions Biden made.
That she is also atrocious and was part of those decisions obviously didn't help.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Nobody. Trump would have defeated all.

Obama was the best the dems had post 2k tbh and I dont see anyone in that party who can replicate that. Say what you will about him, but he was genius at debating and was super quick witted. I think Trump was smart not to run against him in 2012. I mean, his geriatric understudy beat him. Trump is 2-0 against women though, lol. What a sex bully.

 

[Scerpi]

First female President and a minority? N-word please...

Low IQ garbage

Kamala being awful had zero to do with her being female or a minority

But yall will hang onto that shit because otherwise you’d have to face reality



lol… yeah. Keep pounding that drum Morning Joe. Fuck off



Also… picking bozo the clown as her VP was another fuck up in a long line of fuck ups



Why not Josh Shapiro? Oh? She was afraid to lose the Muslim vote? She was pandering to both sides? And ended losing both?

Just stop with this. She was a terrible VP pick and an even worse Presidential candidate

It’s embarrassing

 

[jrams]

I don't think the candidate mattered that much. As far as I could tell, there were 4 big issues:

• Inflation/cost of living
• Immigration
• Abortion/reproductive rights
• Foreign wars

The Biden admin put the Democrats behind on 3 of the 4. Kamala also had the disadvantage where she had to defend the Biden admin but also position herself as a change candidate. Could also throw in how blatant the lawfare against Trump was and even the classified documents case became irrelevant because Biden did the exact same thing/fumbled that one as well.

Economy you could say they were going to be screwed either way. But from a political stand point they didn't play it well. Cost of day-to-day goods were too high while passing things like the "Inflation Reduction Act" and trying to gaslight to the electorate that it wasn't that bad. I think Kamala did the best that she could here, trying to pin it all on price gouging. She wasn't completely dismissing the pain people were feeling, but also wasn't just admitting responsibility or the inability to do anything. Ultimately you can only message so far to try to re-shape people's reality.

They did nothing on immigration, trying to be the anti-Trump, until the very end of his term and tried to use the border security bill as a political football. Trump then killed it, also as political football, but at that point the damage was done for the Democrats. They clearly weren't taking the border seriously. I don't think the candidate mattered here unless they fully denounced the Biden admin. Kamala being the border czar was worst of both worlds making it an impossible issue to climb.

Abortion/reproductive rights was their meal ticket to getting elected. Unfortunately for them as time goes on there is more distance between today and the Dobbs ruling and emotions fade. There is also more of a window for people to point to Democrats doing nothing to codify abortion.

Ukraine war it seems like most people don't care about anymore. In tandem with inflation/cost of living it is a losing issue to spend billions to fight a foreign war. But the Ukraine war doesn't seem like a big issue either way. The war in Israel though the Democrats have no real needle to thread. They have to support Palestinians, in order to masquerade being anti-war and fighting for the little guy, but also have to deepthroat Israel to not be anti-semitic. Republicans have no qualms about just deepthroating Israel. Just too impossible for a Democrat to win the issue while Biden is getting rail-roaded by Bibi.

For as seemingly erratic and unfocused Trump is, he has great political instincts and has the ability to make issues national issues. He did a great job making immigration a front and center issue again. He did a great job making the cost of living an issue. I don't think any other Democratic candidate would have been able to shift the national discussion going up against him.

There were a bunch of other stumbles by the Biden admin that made it difficult to run, but I don't think were polling issues. Stuff like his dementia, not having a real primary after he dropped out, not having Kamal do interviews, and the Trump assassination attempts put them on the back-foot and distracted from other selling points. But ultimately, the only selling points that seemed to be hitting was reproductive rights. Everything else was just an argument that the other guy was more bad.



Watching Kamala's campaign though, maybe they should have just nominated Liz Cheney. The DNC clearly loves her.

 

[I Am Legion]

They hoodwinked their own party. She was LAST in the 2020 primaries, any one of the others could have done better. Senile Biden could have done better. Every speech she gave, enlightened the American people that they were conned. Biden had dementia moments, what was Kamala's excuse? She was a zero and the bet was she would capture female and minority voters, and they didn't take the bait. MSM tried to revive her from terrible pools, but the reality was evident on election day.

 

[PG29 red0 Jr]

Tulsi Gabbard would have been a good candidate, but the party went so far left it abandoned her.

I mean......Tulsi was a democrat, Trump was a Democrat, Elon was a Democrat. The party went so hard to the left, the moderates or left leaning folks are now Republican.


If they had a Primary, maybe someone would have emerged as a great candidate. Instead the DNC tried to appoint a president. How did that work?

 

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[rearnakedchoke]

A man. It is clear the US isn’t ready for a female president. Trump won bigly twice over women. He lost bigly to an old dude with dementia.

 

[koquerelle]

Having someone people actually elected would have been better for sure.

Biden and his entourage fucked over the party and prevented that.

 

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[lowlife]

he lost to a decrepit old man last time that was never going to maintain his sanity for two terms, I'm sure there was someone somewhere that could have beat him.

 

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[Darkavius]

Tulsi Gabbard would have been a good candidate, but the party went so far left it abandoned her.

I mean......Tulsi was a democrat, Trump was a Democrat, Elon was a Democrat. The party went so hard to the left, the moderates or left leaning folks are now Republican.


If they had a Primary, maybe someone would have emerged as a great candidate. Instead the DNC tried to appoint a president. How did that work?

I really wish people would stop saying too far left. There is nothing about Tulsi Gabbard, Biden or Harris that is left progressive. The vast major of Dems in power are centrist Dems. You know who is more left? Sanders, Talib and Omar and they all won their elections yesterday. The Dem party has not listened to the left progressive part of the party at all. If they had the centrist Dems would have offered a cease fire for Gaza and offered solutions those to the left are wanting (that are popular even in red states).

Side note, when someone ridiculously rich says they are or were a Democrat it usually means they are a centrist Dem like Obama and Clinton, not left like many suggest. They are a Democrat who likes big business and tax handouts which is centrist, not left. Case in point, remember Krysten Sinema, who was considered left, but then subsequently voted no on $15 Federal minimum wage? Another centrist Dem.

 

[UberHere]

Biden didn't make that decision. He got fucked.

Biden wasn’t capable of making that decision. His signs of dementia risk were actually quite clear back in 2020, so the fact that they even ran him as a candidate should be considered a slap in the face to anyone who is loyal to the DNC. Remember when everyone just dropped out of the primary because they predicted correctly that Biden would beat Trump? That was preschool short term thinking.