Elections Do you think there was a better candidate that could have challenged Trump?

Bowel-forged Stool said:
Trump won by divine decree. There has got to be sense made of this world, and he’s the one to do it. He’s the Churchill of our time. Gotta have him wether you like him or not.
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Divine decree?...you boys have lost whatever little mind you had.
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Its a political election not jesus coming down from the tabernacle you goof.
 
Mr Holmes said:
Not holding a primary while accusing the other side of being anti-democratic was a mistake.
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Yep. Not just is it a bad look but it also didn't give them time to build momentum behind a candidate.

That and picking a really bad vp candidate for the wrong reasons I think is what did them in. It's like people have forgotten that the vp might actually have to step up to the plate so you'd better pick the best one you can. Maybe gretch or Bernie would have had a better showing but it's hard to say due to so many variables.

Maybe not though. The economy is bad for a lot of folks regardless of what charts say and people mad about economics are going to vote out the party who presides over the bad economics. Might be that he democrats could go back in time and try 10 different people and get the same results. Only thing to really be sure of at this point is voters were not feeling kamala at all. I think Trump might have got a hell of a bump just from people seeing her speak and being like holy shit this lady is not fit to lead our nation.
 
Darkavius said:
Sure, the Dems could have gotten a different candidate but I think the results would have ultimately been the same. Why? Because Dems have no policy. Look at the left policies that won last night in red states. Montana passed the ability for abortion rights, Missouri people voted to raise the minimum wage and money for school vouchers to go to private schools were rejected in Kentucky.

Even if Dems had a different candidate who's to say the party would not set them up like they did Sanders in 2016 or the way they did they did this whole thing with Biden/Harris?
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But policies aren't pre-packaged by the DNC and then delivered by individual candidates. Each candidate has their specific vision.

And in the end, policy is only one part of the equation. Charisma, the ability to communicate, likability is the other and, sadly, probably bigger part. Trump didn't win two elections on policy, he won on personal likability.

Obama did have interesting policy but was also tremendously charismatic.

Bush was almost as dumb as Trump but was folksy and the "guy you could have a beer with," unlike the square and boring Kerry and Gore.
 
They either need someone with Obama’s charisma and speaking skills or they need someone that’s hard for the right to attack.

Military background with little controversy, good speaker and middle of the road on issues voters care about. Not someone who is catering to the far left.
 
Possum Jenkins said:
But policies aren't pre-packaged by the DNC and then delivered by individual candidates. Each candidate has their specific vision.

And in the end, policy is only one part of the equation. Charisma, the ability to communicate, likability is the other and, sadly, probably bigger part. Trump didn't win two elections on policy, he won on personal likability.

Obama did have interesting policy but was also tremendously charismatic.

Bush was almost as dumb as Trump but was folksy and the "guy you could have a beer with," unlike the square and boring Kerry and Gore.
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If I remember correctly it can be argued that Repubs stole the election with Gore. Bush never had that great of approval ratings if I remember right. That being said, what you said though about policies and vision and being able to get that out the Dems had in 2016 with Sanders. The Dems screwed their own party by backing Clinton and screwing over Sanders. The same exact Sanders who won his election last night while Kamala lost.

The reason I am mentioning policies so much is because Dem and left leaning policies can pass even in very red states. Dems at large just refuse to help their own Progressive base.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
It feels like they need someone either centrist enough to pick up people who are alienated by more left wing views or someone who's further left wing and more vocal about it who'd actually galvanise the left to get out and vote.

It doesn't seem Kamala managed to do either of those things.
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Kamala, Killary, and Corn Pop are all centrists. Bernie is left with a nigh unassailable record; the real populist Trump pretends to be. I believe he would've destroyed Trump. The dems fucked him twice, the second time for a demented old racist.
 
In hindsight? No. Enough people believed what should have been unbelievable lies (are you better off now than 4 years ago), and flat out ignored the fact that the candidate they were going to vote for was not only, not "the best of us", but one of the absolutely worst human beings ever to run for an important public office in this country's history.
 
One doesnt exist. No matter who the Democrats pick that person will be labeled a communist who's the worst at everything by Trump. Then you have FOX News and the other right wing grift spaces repeating this 24/7.
 
Yeah, I get why they picked Kamala Harris, but she fought with a hand tied behind her back: having to pretend to represent change while actually being part of the administration.

Picking Gaving Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer might present its own set of problems due to them being unable to inherit Biden's campaign machine, but at least they'd be honestly able to claim they actually presented a new direction.

...but it might well have been too late in the day. Newsom is probably the best candidate they had for my money, but he would have had to take a right turn from his California platform and would have been left with little time to convincingly do that.
 
Dems are 0/2 fielding unlikable women and trying to guilt everyone into voting for them.

Every time a Kamala ad came on I'd look up from my game with a 'oh shut up you dumb bitch"

Figured she was going to lose. She's super unlikable and doesn't have the leadership skills to make up for it. I hate Trump, so once again I felt like I was given no real choices and just stayed home.
 
Takes Two To Tango said:
Make the election closer at the very least?

Or Trump is just too big of a anomaly in a sense?

He was going to be win regardless.

It seems that way, considering how many obstacles that man went through.

They keep trying to knock him down, but he keeps rising up.

The man has more lives than anyone out there.
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RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Dennis Kucinich, or Jesse Ventura would have made the election closer.
 
Possum Jenkins said:
But if they had a full primary, the winner could have easily run on all those things. AND would have had the charisma to go further than Harris.

Prior to her getting handed the nomination, Newsom, Whitmer, and Buttigieg were some of the top names being thrown around. Policy-wise, they are all left of Kamala, and charisma and skill-wise, they were far, far ahead.

Not saying they would have won for sure but they sure wouldn't have gotten their ass kicked like Kamala just did. I mean, to lose the popular vote? What are we, in the 80s??
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Was bound to happen the way they backed themselves into a corner. Couldn't get shit accomplished in four years. Knew the president was senile but refused to run a real primary.

The Dems keep trying to force voters into these situations where it's like we only gave you bad options again but if you don't side with us the Republicans win!

Ok fuck it they win then. At least they're trying lmao 🤣
 
Gutter Chris said:
Yep. Not just is it a bad look but it also didn't give them time to build momentum behind a candidate.

That and picking a really bad vp candidate for the wrong reasons I think is what did them in. It's like people have forgotten that the vp might actually have to step up to the plate so you'd better pick the best one you can. Maybe gretch or Bernie would have had a better showing but it's hard to say due to so many variables.

Maybe not though. The economy is bad for a lot of folks regardless of what charts say and people mad about economics are going to vote out the party who presides over the bad economics. Might be that he democrats could go back in time and try 10 different people and get the same results. Only thing to really be sure of at this point is voters were not feeling kamala at all. I think Trump might have got a hell of a bump just from people seeing her speak and being like holy shit this lady is not fit to lead our nation.
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Didn't help the left at all that they're playing this pretend patty cake bullshit where they want to spin the numbers until they come up with a scenario where things are getting better for the working class.

We're poor, not stupid. We realize even though we're making more money than five years ago, that money doesn't go as far and generally a lot of people feel stressed and like we're still trying to catch up.

Then the Dems want to come along with this bullshit we're gonna make things better for working Americans. Fuck outta here you guys have had the reigns for four years and things have only gotten worse every single year under their administration.
 
Mr Holmes said:
Not holding a primary while accusing the other side of being anti-democratic was a mistake.
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The second part of your sentence is irrelevant but I think you're right. Even after Biden's lousy debate that finally got him to bow out I thought it was a mistake to just give her a bye. I guess it was expedient in some important ways without much time left and hindsight is 20/20.

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