Do you support Roe Vs. Wade?

Only Here for Attachments said:
I know and that doesn't make any sense! We're trying to stop a problem that's currently solving itself.
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Most of what republicans do doesn't make any sense. They believe whatever gets them votes that day.

Anti abortion - until one of them gets a girl pregnant
 
We also freak out about gays, asexuals, and transgenders but that stops Liberals from breeding as well.
 
zebby23 said:
It's pretty clear you are attacking me simply because you are religious and religion makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. Well, I believe religion is fake and if you can't debate without emotion that you really have no argument to be made.
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Religion is irrelevant here.
 
zebby23 said:
Are you stupid? My family would be upset and would prosecute you but LIFE as a whole would go on and not miss a beat. You religious nuts are really bad at analogies also lol. Remove your emotions before trying to debate an issue.

Also I can tell you are a youngster... tell "my parents" how I died? lol
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You're so butthurt by religion that you don't see how much of a deluded nihilist you are.

You're a militant atheist... most of science's heroes were religious FYI.

I'm not religious either lol.
 
tkotom said:
Nobody is forcing women to have children. So what difference does it make that women will have 'back alley abortions'.. They had sex knowing that they could get pregnant.

The law is the law but don't talk shit.
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What?
 
zebby23 said:
religion should be irrelevant everywhere
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Nah, if it was you wouldn't have the big bang theory, newtonian physics, understanding of the genome, etc. The geniuses related to these topics were all highly religious people.
 
IamStryker said:
That is obviously what I was saying. I don't know why rephrasing it is so important to you.

Why does this need to be said? It's an obvious statement and doesn't change the overall point at all.
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I reemphasize the difference between consent (the affirmative decision to do something) and accepting a risk. You can't even type the words you mean, so I'm not confident that you're making a cogent argument.
 
squeezewax said:
I don't know what Roe vs Wade is all about, the rest of the world hasn't heard of this.
As far as abortions go, males simply don't have the right to tell a female she MUST carry on with a pregnancy, it's totally ridiculous for any guy to believe they have that right to tell them.

A fetus isn't a human being, and even if it were surely it's up to the female to say yay or nay about something growing inside of her body? If i were able to get pregnant i'm damn sure i'd want that right!
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The right to tell someone, yes, even a woman, that she must carry her child to term is not a right held by men qua men. It’s not as if the authority is based upon our man-ness. We would just recognize and enforce the negative right to life held by the in-womb child, which would thus restrict any person from taking that child’s life.

The fetus or child is most certainly a human being (what else is it - a rhino?) . What you mean to say is that it isn’t a person. We can argue about that if you’d like.
 
Super Mikey said:
The right to tell someone, yes, even a woman, that she must carry her child to term is not a right held by men qua men. It’s not as if the authority is based upon our man-ness. We would just recognize and enforce the negative right to life held by the in-womb child, which would thus restrict any person from taking that child’s life.

The fetus or child is most certainly a human being (what else is it - a rhino?) . What you mean to say is that it isn’t a person. We can argue about that if you’d like.
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Is it a person at conception? If not, when?
 
Only Here for Attachments said:
I don't see what the problem is. People hate Liberals but don't want them to kill their babies thus controlling the Liberal population. It's just like spaying and neutering pets, IMO.
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good point, oddly though a lot of these are the same people against allowing the immigration of a bunch of Hispanics who happen to be for the most part devout Catholics/Christians that would agree with most of their positions, but the fact they are a bunch of dirty little brown people negates any commonality.
 
dontsnitch said:
Is it a person at conception? If not, when?
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I believe so, yes. If human rights are intrinsic to the human being, and they are, then they are independent of his developmental state and ability to exercise whatever cognitive faculty (hence, we recognize that the mentally retarded have human rights). But if that’s true, then human fetuses also have human rights, for they are but human beings in a different developmental state (I am numerically and biologically identitical to the fetus that was in my mother’s womb). Thus, they, too, have a right to life.
 
tkotom said:
You're so butthurt by religion that you don't see how much of a deluded nihilist you are.

You're a militant atheist... most of science's heroes were religious FYI.

I'm not religious either lol.
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I'm an admitted nihilist. 100%

I'm not a militant atheist though. I only talk about it when im on here which is maybe 10-15 minutes per week. I just find religion to be the main reason this country is so divided and one side it completely without logic, facts or reason and it's really frustrating
 
Super Mikey said:
I believe so, yes. If human rights are intrinsic to the human being, and they are, then they are independent of his developmental state and ability to exercise whatever cognitive faculty (hence, we recognize that the mentally retarded have human rights). But if that’s true, then human fetuses also have human rights, for they are but human beings in a different developmental state (I am numerically and biologically identitical to the fetus that was in my mother’s womb). Thus, they, too, have a right to life.
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It's a strong argument, I'll concede. Pragmatically speaking, I don't think making abortion illegal is congruent with the type of society we have built. It's one of the reasons I believe in separation of church and state.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think that abortion should be legal where there's an absence of a heart beat. I think this is a good balance even though I agree with the spirit of your post.
 
SMillard said:
Can you please tell me where federal tax dollars are used to pay for abortions? Seriously, everything I've seen indicates that there is none and that the money that Planned Parenthood gets specifically states it's not to be used for abortions. The federal government does pay for contraceptives, but from your previous posts I don't think you have a problem with that, although some do.

As far as the valuing of life, well again, as I said if the fetus would survive without the mother than I'd say you'd have a point but if the fetus has no chance of survival without the mother than it is not an issue to me. Then again, I don't have the same value of life that most (apparently you included) do and I respect it but don't agree with the notion that life is precious. If life were precious there wouldn't be over 6 billion of us with that number going up. Life it's not an infinite thing, we are all going to die, it's just a matter of when, I can't see where perpetuating one potential life at the detriment of others is a worthy endeavor.
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Title X does not allow federal funds to be used for abortions. Medicaid, however, does allow government money to be spent on them — in very restricted cases.

The 1977 Hyde Amendment dictated that federal Medicaid funds could only be used to fund abortions in cases of rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother. However, some states have expanded cases in which they will provide funds. Currently, 17 states allow funds to be used for "medically necessary" abortions. In those cases that these states count as medically necessary but that are not permitted by the federal guidelines, states cover the cost alone.
 
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