Pain/Rehab Do you get aches from Deadlifts ?

[1rawdog]

I think deadlifts contributed to my knee problems (which I think rehabbed).

So many non-noobs will tell you that deadlifts either gave them an injury or they're weary of deadlifts because of injury-potential.

Unless you want specifically want to participate in a strength sport that necessitates deadlifting I think it's a good idea to just avoid it.

There are plenty of exercises that kind of give you the benefits of deadlifts without the dangers.

I agree, ish. I'm all in for the hardcore maniac extreme shit, I love doing it and being around it. But there is a cost. I coached a young hockey player from effectively zero until he hit 405 for an easy single. That was an agreed upon goal within a more comprehensive long term program so it was time to set some new goals.
Hungry as he is he said "5 plates" which is 495. Time for a chat.
First, half kidding I said why not make it 500? Good point he says.
I'll tell you why not ...
Then we pull out his log book, on page #1 - Ultimate Goal - Play in the show.
Is that still the ultimate goal? Yes.
You've put on nearly 50lbs and you are way stronger and faster than a few years ago, how much heavier of a deadlift would you have to pull to get closer to your NHL goal, would working at that be the best use of your time and energy and does it have a good risk:benefit ratio? Are you a hockey player or gym star?
Lightbulb moment for the lad, sometimes enough is enough specific to what you are trying to achieve. We all should be able to bend down and pick something heavy up without getting hurt of course but having the ability to do that with a couple hundred lbs is probably enough for most men.
Kid never got drafted but is playing pro and still has a small chance btw.

 

[Trabaho]

I think deadlifts contributed to my knee problems (which I think rehabbed).

So many non-noobs will tell you that deadlifts either gave them an injury or they're weary of deadlifts because of injury-potential.

Unless you want specifically want to participate in a strength sport that necessitates deadlifting I think it's a good idea to just avoid it.

There are plenty of exercises that kind of give you the benefits of deadlifts without the dangers.

Or just warm up for 20 minutes cardio stretch warm up sets like 20-25 minutes and do them really concentrated focused and rarely.

 

[DEVILsSON]

I agree, ish. I'm all in for the hardcore maniac extreme shit, I love doing it and being around it. But there is a cost. I coached a young hockey player from effectively zero until he hit 405 for an easy single. That was an agreed upon goal within a more comprehensive long term program so it was time to set some new goals.
Hungry as he is he said "5 plates" which is 495. Time for a chat.
First, half kidding I said why not make it 500? Good point he says.
I'll tell you why not ...
Then we pull out his log book, on page #1 - Ultimate Goal - Play in the show.
Is that still the ultimate goal? Yes.
You've put on nearly 50lbs and you are way stronger and faster than a few years ago, how much heavier of a deadlift would you have to pull to get closer to your NHL goal, would working at that be the best use of your time and energy and does it have a good risk:benefit ratio? Are you a hockey player or gym star?
Lightbulb moment for the lad, sometimes enough is enough specific to what you are trying to achieve. We all should be able to bend down and pick something heavy up without getting hurt of course but having the ability to do that with a couple hundred lbs is probably enough for most men.
Kid never got drafted but is playing pro and still has a small chance btw.

I understand where you're coming from but I'll push back in a couple ways just to create a discussion:

1. It depends how suited an athlete is and how much effort is dedicated to make progress in whatever lift. Someone who's very suited to the lift and can make easy gains is probably ok to keep going without a specific target until they stall out. Someone especially suited to deadlifts can go until they hit e.g. 600, 700, etc just as easy as someone who's not and bangs their head against the wall to get 405.

2. Deadlifts are essentially just a hinge movement pattern so it doesn't make sense to me to avoid it completely when you can do any number of lighter variations and still receive many of the benefits. Nothing says you have to do conventional deadlifts for 1 rep max. Outside of maybe some rare off-season peaking for fun or motivation I don't see much point of doing it for athletes and I say that despite my personal beliefs that load is the single greatest variable and I've built most strength from maximal singles. But as you say there's no reason to do it with injury mitigation in mind.

I think doing a solid warm up, dynamic stretching, etc should make deadlift variations such as RDLs, Zercher/Jefferson DLs, SLDLs, Dimels, deficits, partials at the knees, isometric pin presses, etc for higher reps or time should be sufficiently safe. I don't know if I'd group sumo DLs here but probably not.

I do largely agree that once a strength base is achieved skills training and conditioning should take priority and recovery from strength training and how it affects the other aspects should definitely be considered.

 

[1rawdog]

I understand where you're coming from but I'll push back in a couple ways just to create a discussion:

1. It depends how suited an athlete is and how much effort is dedicated to make progress in whatever lift. Someone who's very suited to the lift and can make easy gains is probably ok to keep going without a specific target until they stall out. Someone especially suited to deadlifts can go until they hit e.g. 600, 700, etc just as easy as someone who's not and bangs their head against the wall to get 405.

2. Deadlifts are essentially just a hinge movement pattern so it doesn't make sense to me to avoid it completely when you can do any number of lighter variations and still receive many of the benefits. Nothing says you have to do conventional deadlifts for 1 rep max. Outside of maybe some rare off-season peaking for fun or motivation I don't see much point of doing it for athletes and I say that despite my personal beliefs that load is the single greatest variable and I've built most strength from maximal singles. But as you say there's no reason to do it with injury mitigation in mind.

I think doing a solid warm up, dynamic stretching, etc should make deadlift variations such as RDLs, Zercher/Jefferson DLs, SLDLs, Dimels, deficits, partials at the knees, isometric pin presses, etc for higher reps or time should be sufficiently safe. I don't know if I'd group sumo DLs here but probably not.

I do largely agree that once a strength base is achieved skills training and conditioning should take priority and recovery from strength training and how it affects the other aspects should definitely be considered.

This might be a boring discussion lol, that's all good stuff. it speaks to the uniqueness of each persons situation. When this particular fellow started with me he was still in minor hockey, the culture there these days is that there really is no offseason. They play spring hockey etc and are on the ice all year. Now that he has an actual off-season and really good team S&C coach they do many of the type of things you mentioned and have time to set up blocks of programming. He loves the gym though, I can see 6-700 in him in the future. He has already got that 500.

 

[TYR-I]

2 days ago deadlifted, what is a heavy weight for me. 130kg x 5 reps, 3 sets. Yesterday was fine and had a rest day. Today my lower back / Hip aches and doesn't feel good. I 100% did wrong techniques picking it up, bending, rolling my back. It was heavy for me so just cared to get it up. Will this not happen if I learn and apply correct technique ? Do you honestly never have back and hip aches from deadlifting heavy with good technique ? Also why the aches came delayed for the day after tomorrow ?

Could be inflammatory foods and not your training at all, too