Do you consider Eric Nicksick an "elite coach"?

[WoozyFailGuy]

There was a time a few years ago when Eric was looked at as an upcoming coach, even winning coach of the year in 2020. 3 fighters under his tutelage have won the title, which usually points towards a successful, good coach. However, with hindsight, we can breakdown his coaching career further.

His 3 champions are Francis, Aljamain, Strickland. I think Francis would have grabbed the belt regardless of who he was training with. Aljamain won the title via DQ, then a close split decision before losing it to O'malley via Tim Welch simply saying "you gotta go aljo." Strickland beat Izzy almost solely due to the giant shot in the first round and Sean learning how to check leg kicks with Poatan, Nick didn't seem to have much to do with that fight.

Last night, watching Strickland/DDP 2, the only advice he ever gave Sean was "You're losing, you have to throw more." While the fight is mostly on Strickland for being one dimensional, an utter lack of actual technical advice in the corner (He keeps backing you up, circle out; when he bum rushes into a clinch exit with an elbow, throw anything besides a fucking 1-2 teep) certainly didn't help Sean's prospects of winning.

Just some of my thoughts on Nicksick, what do you guys think? Am I just a hater?

 

[Koala]

Aljo is coached by Longo and Wood of Syndicate
Patchy Mix is still champ out of Xtreme

 

[Sean Chowdhury]

he's an amazing coach, completely changed ngannou and turned him into a championship level fighter, improved strickland a lot too and helped him learn how to check leg kicks which helped him beat izzy. All of his fighters have good gameplans and usually have good takedown defense too even if they didn't have it prior like ngannou or strickland

 

[WildShrimper]

I think so, it's not his fault Strickland didn't wanna listen yesterday. But I think it's more that Strickland doesn't have an aggressive fight style, he was gonna do the same thing regardless of any in fight coaching.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Sean always backs up when pressured.
Sean never circles out when pressured.
Sean never throws elbows in the clinch.
Sean only throws 1-2’s and teeps.

Why are we blaming all Sean’s faults on his coach? He can tell him to not fight like he always fights when facing a certain style of fighter with sound technical advice. But it doesn’t mean shit when someone is incapable of making those adjustments.

Anyway he’s coached a lot of MMA fighters successfully, every coach has their style and strengths, his track record is pretty good outside of champs and fighters he’s worked with.

You give him no credit for any fighters success but blame all their faults on him - seems like grade A hatin’ to me.

 

[Gun'n'Run]

I think first of all you make a great case for him being an ELITE coach, then fail to undermine the argument you made yourself.

And you somehow missed all the technical advice but he was giving him a ton of advice very similar to the example of what you think he should've done. But the main advice anyone would give Strikland was to up the volume, so that being the main message seems like good coaching too.

I have no idea why you would be, but yes you're just a hater, and not a particularly bright one.

 

[Kung Fu Kowboy]

Not his fault Strickland sh*t the stick.

 

[13Seconds]

Nicksick is truly one of the greats. You're not necessarily being a hater OP, but just kind of silly.

 

[RockyLockridge]

I would have to, yes. He's coached many great fighters to stellar results

 

[BowserJr]

He's very good. Defeatable as is everyone but very good

 

[flektarn]

he's a great coach. Sean just doesn't listen to him.

 

[GraafschapDTCNL]

Strickland has won the title by showing every opponent the same look, trying to do more or less the same thing every fight. I think it is due to the coach that he could go that far with that style.
However, the division will figure it out some day. Lets see if he can switch it up a little, and that is also where a coach comes into play.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

All of his fighters have good gameplans and usually have good takedown defense too

That's more of a product of Xtreme Couture than Nick himself IMO
Couture is a top tier wrestling gym, as you would expect.
However, you're right in that we got "Patient Ngannou" out of Nicksick.

Sean always backs up when pressured.
Sean never circles out when pressured.
Sean never throws elbows in the clinch.
Sean only throws 1-2’s and teeps.

Why are we blaming all Sean’s faults on his coach? He can tell him to not fight like he always fights when facing a certain style of fighter with sound technical advice. But it doesn’t mean shit when someone is incapable of making those adjustments.

Well this is one of the things, if you're coaching a guy for years and he can't evolve, you're not doing your job efficiently enough. Sure, it's hardheadedness on the fighter and someone not improving is their own fault at the core of it. Not all of Sean's faults are to blame on Nick, of course, and maybe Strickland has just plateaued, but seeing a fighter not evolve in the slightest in so many fights, including title fights, is just perplexing. Once again, could be entirely Strickland's fault (and probably is), which I'm foisting on Eric. Can't teach a one trick pony new tricks.

Aljo is coached by Longo and Wood of Syndicate
Patchy Mix is still champ out of Xtreme

Aljo split his time between Serra Longo and Xtreme Couture. He lives in Vegas up the street from me, Nicksick was his main coach and corner for UFC 259 against Yan.

I did forget about Patchy, that's definitely a point against me! Patchy is arguably the best 135er on the planet with only Merab able to argue for 1st place.

I have no idea why you would be, but yes you're just a hater, and not a particularly bright one.

First time I've ever seen you post here even though your account is older than mine. Apparently you have some type of reading comprehension issue. Perhaps our definitions of technical advice are different.

In any case there is no need to be rude, especially to someone much more handsome than you who could physically dominate you effortlessly. Enjoy the rest of your day off before work tomorrow!


Overall, it seems it's more a Strickland problem for my hating. Guys like him and Chris Curtis can make any coach look worse than he is. They're the only two that really didn't evolve at all over the last few years under Eric, while Ngannou, Sterling, and Patchy certainly have (Patchy to UFC please).

Initial Hater Status: Confirmed

Permanent Hater Status: Denied

 

[HHJ]

MMA fans never want to give credits to coaches.

They are all _______Edmunds to most of the fans

They dont like the idea of the fighter not just being solely responsible for what it is they are seeing.

 

[Hymen Crusher]

I think you should say he must be a great coach. He helped Sean strickland win a title and it wasn't even interim. That fucking guy was champ, that's some belechek (spelled wrong don't care) level shit.

 

[Koala]

That's more of a product of Xtreme Couture than Nick himself IMO
Couture is a top tier wrestling gym, as you would expect.
However, you're right in that we got "Patient Ngannou" out of Nicksick.


Well this is one of the things, if you're coaching a guy for years and he can't evolve, you're not doing your job efficiently enough. Sure, it's hardheadedness on the fighter and someone not improving is their own fault at the core of it. Not all of Sean's faults are to blame on Nick, of course, and maybe Strickland has just plateaued, but seeing a fighter not evolve in the slightest in so many fights, including title fights, is just perplexing. Once again, could be entirely Strickland's fault (and probably is), which I'm foisting on Eric. Can't teach a one trick pony new tricks.


Aljo split his time between Serra Longo and Xtreme Couture. He lives in Vegas up the street from me, Nicksick was his main coach and corner for UFC 259 against Yan.

I did forget about Patchy, that's definitely a point against me! Patchy is arguably the best 135er on the planet with only Merab able to argue for 1st place.


First time I've ever seen you post here even though your account is older than mine. Apparently you have some type of reading comprehension issue. Perhaps our definitions of technical advice are different.

In any case there is no need to be rude, especially to someone much more handsome than you who could physically dominate you effortlessly. Enjoy the rest of your day off before work tomorrow!


Overall, it seems it's more a Strickland problem for my hating. Guys like him and Chris Curtis can make any coach look worse than he is. They're the only two that really didn't evolve at all over the last few years under Eric, while Ngannou, Sterling, and Patchy certainly have (Patchy to UFC please).

Initial Hater Status: Confirmed

Permanent Hater Status: Denied

Aljo trains at Syndicate, same as Merab

I don't think Nicksick coached him for more than 2 fights
He had Serra Longo guys in his corner for the O'Malley, Dillashaw and Cejudo fights

 

[Gun'n'Run]

That's more of a product of Xtreme Couture than Nick himself IMO
Couture is a top tier wrestling gym, as you would expect.
However, you're right in that we got "Patient Ngannou" out of Nicksick.


Well this is one of the things, if you're coaching a guy for years and he can't evolve, you're not doing your job efficiently enough. Sure, it's hardheadedness on the fighter and someone not improving is their own fault at the core of it. Not all of Sean's faults are to blame on Nick, of course, and maybe Strickland has just plateaued, but seeing a fighter not evolve in the slightest in so many fights, including title fights, is just perplexing. Once again, could be entirely Strickland's fault (and probably is), which I'm foisting on Eric. Can't teach a one trick pony new tricks.


Aljo split his time between Serra Longo and Xtreme Couture. He lives in Vegas up the street from me, Nicksick was his main coach and corner for UFC 259 against Yan.

I did forget about Patchy, that's definitely a point against me! Patchy is arguably the best 135er on the planet with only Merab able to argue for 1st place.


First time I've ever seen you post here even though your account is older than mine. Apparently you have some type of reading comprehension issue. Perhaps our definitions of technical advice are different.

In any case there is no need to be rude, especially to someone much more handsome than you who could physically dominate you effortlessly. Enjoy the rest of your day off before work tomorrow!


Overall, it seems it's more a Strickland problem for my hating. Guys like him and Chris Curtis can make any coach look worse than he is. They're the only two that really didn't evolve at all over the last few years under Eric, while Ngannou, Sterling, and Patchy certainly have (Patchy to UFC please).

Initial Hater Status: Confirmed

Permanent Hater Status: Denied

The paragraph you should've quoted of mine was the one above that, which you neglected to respond to. But since you're so handsome and apparently unemployed, and you took on the challenge, go rewatch the 5 between round minutes and see if you're right about there being "no technical advice." Let me know when you see how wrong you are.

 

[Harlekin]

Sean always backs up when pressured.
Sean never circles out when pressured.
Sean never throws elbows in the clinch.
Sean only throws 1-2’s and teeps.

Sean often throws arm punches. Especially his straight right. Sometimes for some miracle reason he throws it properly as lead hand.
His 1-2 against Izzy was great.
BUT
He usually telegraphs his right in a 1-2 by taking it back one foot very often.
He doesn't turn his hips, shoulders and hands properly into his hooks.
His footwork needs so many adjustments.

He lands his jab a tremendous amount of times. But doesn't know how to extend it or how to put power into it.

He incorporate those flaws into his muscle memory by doing it 100.000 times wrong.
It will take like 10.000 times to correct this, maybe a lot more.

 

[Sms_productions713]

I think jimmy gifford was probably xtreme couture best coach

 

[Rallarsvingare]

For the work he did with Strickland against Adesanya and with Ngannou vs Fury I think Nicksick should be acknowledged as one of the best striking coaches around.