Do you buy Jones aragument? Newer USADA guidance on tbol metabolites means he's GOATed

I been thinking about this lately. I think yes, if USADA science had been on point Jones would have never popped for picos and he'd be the undisputed GOAT now. But the science has changed and it's time for him to be GOATed for real. Sorry DC I like you but sometimes the bad guy wins.

How about if Jones never cheated he might have been more highly regarded?

Don't excuse cheating, and don't excuse his entitlement. This guy is probably blaming the pregnant woman he struck with his car for his arrest.
 
It's not just his status in the sport.

He tried to cheat vs Daniel and got caught like right before the fight could happen. Then he fights Daniel and wins,and his samples test positive AGAIN.

That shit is impossible to ignore.

It would be a big deal if anyone did that,but sure its compounded by the fact that he claims to be this holier than thou good christian man,who drunkenly slides into families with his car,and shoots at the homeless to steal their drugs.
Yet there have been at least 20 fighters who have cheated returned to the sport and performed on a mediocre level that nobody gives a shit about. We simply are not sitting here discussing Jones because he cheated. That’s laughable. We are discussing Jones because he is great and cheated and there simply is no way to freestyle that in a different manner. The reason I don’t give a fuck is because that’s the same energy I would give a mediocre fighter who got caught served his punishment and returned to fighting. I’m not extra taxing the sale on shitting on Jones because he’s a great fighter.
 
No that's true, some people can get away with it better than others, like Josh Barnett, but it helps to have a likable personality and not be a criminal if possible
See the thing is I completely get not liking a fighter. That’s like that in every sport. It’s only in this sport and baseball that the man who holds the record as most dominant in sports both of these sports both RAMPANT with steroids. Yet somehow with everyone knowing this little “secret”, when those two dominant athletes start destroying records and then they catch a steroid scandal now they must be perma-shamed? It’s fucking stupid. You get caught you serve your punishment you fight again. Anything else is bitch shit I want no party to
 
Pinch of salt in the Pacific Ocean...

By the way...

He is the GOAT , #1 P4P , Lineal 205 Champ , Heavyweight Champ

Yeah I mean you can't deny his GOAT status if you ignore the whole pissing hot and running over pregnant ladies things
 
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Yet there have been at least 20 fighters who have cheated returned to the sport and performed on a mediocre level that nobody gives a shit about. We simply are not sitting here discussing Jones because he cheated. That’s laughable. We are discussing Jones because he is great and cheated and there simply is no way to freestyle that in a different manner. The reason I don’t give a fuck is because that’s the same energy I would give a mediocre fighter who got caught served his punishment and returned to fighting. I’m not extra taxing the sale on shitting on Jones because he’s a great fighter.
Against the same guy?????

Ignoring that is laughable.
 
Picograms never changed the result of a fight just the venue of it that fucked a lot of people over who had made plans to stay in the original city.

Picograms hurts Jones because it pissed off fans who already had him on their shit list for his never ending series of major fuck ups. Cancelled entire events, changed venues, lost major main events, lost championships. No one has fucked over more fans than Jones. That's why regardless of what changes are made or what fights he wins he will never be GOAT in their eyes. And that's their right. GOAT convos take in a lot of information.
 
I stopped being a fan (of his) when he popped for PEDs...but, he paid the price and rebounded. And, when he gets compared to other legends of the sport, we're talking about guys who fought in times and orgs that had no testing. Only haters, noobs, and sub-90 IQ jackasses would think PED use wasn't rampant in those times and organizations. Thus, are we not counting Jones in this conversation because he was the only one who got caught? That doesn't seem right to me. Therefore, Jon Jones is easily the greatest MMA fighter (so far) in the history of the sport. He has the resume, the great performances, and that great record.

Jarl
 
Against the same guy?????

Ignoring that is laughable.
I mean I’m sure you can look at the ridiculous embarrassing way anyone got caught cheating and say “ooh let’s stay talking about this one for life girls”,. If a punishment was served and the shit is old news and no contest handed out man this is bitch shit to not move on. Poking a little fun is one thing but this site has openly encouraged trashing one fighters misdeeds above all others to the point I dont think you see yourself doing it. Hasn’t there been like two presidents in office since the last time dude popped? Then why the fuck is this still hot discussion?
 
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Last part is pure bro science, want to see a study for that. If you are referring to Hirsutism that is not solely dependant on hormonal differences and much more related to genetics than hormonal differences.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24254402/
I competed gymnastics to an international level. You most definitely can figure out your test levels and boost your limit to the excepted limit. The excepted testosterone limit is based off genetic differences amongst races. Every top athlete has used a performance enhancing substance to reach the top. Whether it’s for power or recovery. I mean if you look at the list of banned substances. Claritin, pseudoephedrine is on the list. No one is “clean”.
 
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He's already GOAT'd only dorks care about PED use
 
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24254402/
I competed gymnastics to an international level. You most definitely can figure out your test levels and boost your limit to the excepted limit. The excepted testosterone limit is based off genetic differences amongst races. Every top athlete has used a performance enhancing substance to reach the top. Whether it’s for power or recovery. I mean if you look at the list of banned substances. Claritin, pseudoephedrine is on the list. No one is “clean”.
That study has nothing to do with your claim, that an african man can have an amount close to Jones when he popped. Its about white american men and chinese men from China (HK). It has nothing to do with your claim, its cool you competed in Gymnastics but you obviously never been involved at an higher level in academia. Because they would tear your claim to shreds, especially since you have not supplied a study that strenghtens your claim. If your claim was White men in America carry a slightly bigger amount of total Testosterone than chinese men in Hongkong (I think like 2 points or whatever it was in the study you linked, but the difference in free and bioavaible testosterone was virtually identical.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...le_contributor_to_group_differences_in_health

This would have been a study that actually deals with your claim but if you take a look at it it doesn't really fit in with your claim. That is my 2 cents to that.
 
My sentiments exactly on the misdeeds. If it’s shit affecting fighting then punish him and back to fighting. Shit outside of fighting I just don’t care
 
My sentiments exactly on the misdeeds. If it’s shit affecting fighting then punish him and back to fighting. Shit outside of fighting I just don’t care
Congratulations!
 
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