Do you buy Jones aragument? Newer USADA guidance on tbol metabolites means he's GOATed

[JustOnce]

I been thinking about this lately. I think yes, if USADA science had been on point Jones would have never popped for picos and he'd be the undisputed GOAT now. But the science has changed and it's time for him to be GOATed for real. Sorry DC I like you but sometimes the bad guy wins.

Once a cheater, always a cheator.

 

[HHJ]

Also don’t be shocked when a site encourages picking on a

Fuck congratulations you should follow suit. For this is the way

That does not seem like something I would like to do.

 

[Mind Mine]

That does not seem like something I would like to do.

You should follow me with all your earnest integrity with a smile

 

[HHJ]

You should follow me with all your earnest integrity with a smile

You should sell all your worldly possessions and devote yourself to Fedorism. Shed all this taint. And become taintless.

 

[Mind Mine]

You should sell all your worldly possessions and devote yourself to Fedorism. Shed all this taint. And become taintless.

I tried but he doth foresake me with 15 years of mediocrity

 

[deanambrose]

DC would never due to Gane the way Jones did it.

That version of Gane who fought Jones would be obliterated by any HW at that night. Look at him again - he was scared shitless, under pressure, not his usual calm (first strike and.. foul) and didn't know what he was doing.

 

[HHJ]

I tried but he doth foresake me with 15 years of mediocrity

I have spoken.

 

[kenetics]

I been thinking about this lately. I think yes, if USADA science had been on point Jones would have never popped for picos and he'd be the undisputed GOAT now. But the science has changed and it's time for him to be GOATed for real. Sorry DC I like you but sometimes the bad guy wins.

Well considering you forgot that Jones brothers were popped for peds in the NFL.... So no goat.

 

[trimmin]

That study has nothing to do with your claim, that an african man can have an amount close to Jones when he popped. Its about white american men and chinese men from China (HK). It has nothing to do with your claim, its cool you competed in Gymnastics but you obviously never been involved at an higher level in academia. Because they would tear your claim to shreds, especially since you have not supplied a study that strenghtens your claim. If your claim was White men in America carry a slightly bigger amount of total Testosterone than chinese men in Hongkong (I think like 2 points or whatever it was in the study you linked, but the difference in free and bioavaible testosterone was virtually identical.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...le_contributor_to_group_differences_in_health

This would have been a study that actually deals with your claim but if you take a look at it it doesn't really fit in with your claim. That is my 2 cents to that.

What are you even arguing about bro. You ever had to pass a WADA test? I’m saying to you, athletes will get there levels tested and supplement to match the accepted limits. The accepted limits range based off genetics and differences in race. Answer this question. Why is the accepted testosterone limit far greater then the average male?

 

[Mind Mine]

I have spoken.

I understand I will never speak poorly on the Emperor’s invisible robe again

 

[HHJ]

I understand I will never speak poorly on the Emperor’s invisible robe again

Sweater of absolute victory*

 

[Mind Mine]

Sweater of absolute victory*

Yes the sweater of absolute sometimedness

 

[Tweak896]

The thing that most people don't understand is comparing GOATs post USADA records (2015+). Let's see..
Silva 1-5-1
GSP 1-0
Jones 7-0-1
Aldo 6-7
Mighty Mouse 6-1

Of the usual fighter nominations for goat, Jones has the best record after USADA. You can debate mighty mouse, I just wouldn't put his level of competition on par. No one truly was amazing after USADA in my opinion. It's unfair to compare fighters outside of the eras.

 

[Local Plata]

They didn't base their decision on a single study of another drug, so no.

I didn't say they did. I said the study used to supposedly prove 'pulsing' of PEDs was based on Clomiphene, yet another drug Jones tested positive for long before Turnibol. So their argument for Jones not reingesting, but instead 'pulsing' Turnibol, is based on a study that shows how Clomiphene appears to be capable of pulsing and producing positive tests with out reingestion ... which is pretty weird considering Jones has tested positive for that exact substance but doesn't seem to pulse it.

 

[welcometohavoc]

I been thinking about this lately. I think yes, if USADA science had been on point Jones would have never popped for picos and he'd be the undisputed GOAT now. But the science has changed and it's time for him to be GOATed for real. Sorry DC I like you but sometimes the bad guy wins.

USADA is a joke. Hella corrupt. Just ask boxing fans

 

[Fergelmince]

That version of Gane who fought Jones would be obliterated by any HW at that night. Look at him again - he was scared shitless, under pressure, not his usual calm (first strike and.. foul) and didn't know what he was doing.

Except for Jones, No other HW could turn him in to "that version of Gane" before the fight.

 

[Deleted member 513083]

What are you even arguing about bro. You ever had to pass a WADA test? I’m saying to you, athletes will get there levels tested and supplement to match the accepted limits. The accepted limits range based off genetics and differences in race. Answer this question. Why is the accepted testosterone limit far greater then the average male?

The last point of your argument, I am not some idiot that thinks you can't cheat test or cycle properly to mask steroid use, everyone should know how rampant use is in pro sports.
But you said: "The testosterone difference on an Asian male and African American male is enough to supplement without throwing a test", which I interpreted as an African American Male can have a testosterone difference that would allow him to mask his substance abuse. If you didn't mean that it is probably a language barrier thing. My bad in that case. The total Testosterone might be higher but the active Testosterone shouldn't be that high of a difference that was what I was not agreeing with.

 

[fzoid4454]

I didn't say they did. I said the study used to supposedly prove 'pulsing' of PEDs was based on Clomiphene, yet another drug Jones tested positive for long before Turnibol.

Which would be saying they based their decision on a single study of another drug. Which is bullshit, even if you want to spin it in some meaningless way. That was not the only thing they based their conclusions upon, it was just an example they pointed to for people like 99% of sherdog who think the very concept is alien and impossible.

 

[Local Plata]

Which would be saying they based their decision on a single study of another drug. Which is bullshit, even if you want to spin it in some meaningless way. That was not the only thing they based their conclusions upon, it was just an example they pointed to for people like 99% of sherdog who think the very concept is alien and impossible.

I know, words are hard. Don't beat yourself up. Plenty of retards out there live kick ass lives.

 

[trimmin]

The last point of your argument, I am not some idiot that thinks you can't cheat test or cycle properly to mask steroid use, everyone should know how rampant use is in pro sports.
But you said: "The testosterone difference on an Asian male and African American male is enough to supplement without throwing a test", which I interpreted as an African American Male can have a testosterone difference that would allow him to mask his substance abuse. If you didn't mean that it is probably a language barrier thing. My bad in that case. The total Testosterone might be higher but the active Testosterone shouldn't be that high of a difference that was what I was not agreeing with.

Oh, no I meant the range is allowed because of the potential for genetic differences. Jon jones definitely used steroids, he got caught with clomiphene in his system. I agree with you, I don’t think an African American male would have a testosterone level capable of throwing a test naturally. Re reading my wording on that I could see how that was interpreted differently. Cheers Sherbro.