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Do you believe in man-made climate change?

Do you believe in man-made climate change?


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In my very uninformed opinion climate was changing anyway, but we sure as fuck are helping it on its way to get there quicker, which we should try better at.
 
We're most certainly causing unbelievable damage to some important aspects of our overall environment via pollution, but most of it is highly exaggerated and misunderstood.

In terms of pollution focus, our entire effort should be put into cleaning the oceans. Always. Full time.

In terms of long term solutions, reduction of human population to sub 1 billion (maybe even <500 million) should be our collective goal to ensure highest levels of human quality of life and sustainability of this miracle we are part of.
 
Not the size of Texas
You're right

It's twice the size of Texas

The Great Pacific Garbage Patch is part of the five offshore plastic accumulation zones in the world's oceans and is located halfway between Hawaii and California. It covers an approximate surface area of 1.6 million square kilometers – an area twice the size of Texas and three times the size of France
 
That's the oldest scam in human history.

In the ancient world: GIVE FOOD TO THE TEMPLE OR THE GODS WILL MAKE THE WEATHER BAD

In the church: GIVE MONEY TO THE CHURCH OR GOD WILL MAKE THE WEATHER BAD

At the top of aztec pyramids: GIVE YOUR CHILDREN AS HUMAN SACRIFICES TO THE GODS OR THEY WILL MAKE THE WEATHER BAD

In communist propaganda: PAY US MORE TAXES OR CLIMATE CHANGE WILL MAKE THE WEATHER BAD
<mma4>
 
We're most certainly causing unbelievable damage to some important aspects of our overall environment via pollution, but most of it is highly exaggerated and misunderstood.

In terms of pollution focus, our entire effort should be put into cleaning the oceans. Always. Full time.

In terms of long term solutions, reduction of human population to sub 1 billion (maybe even <500 million) should be our collective goal to ensure highest levels of human quality of life and sustainability of this miracle we are part of.
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You're right

It's twice the size of Texas

The Great Pacific Garbage Patch is part of the five offshore plastic accumulation zones in the world's oceans and is located halfway between Hawaii and California. It covers an approximate surface area of 1.6 million square kilometers – an area twice the size of Texas and three times the size of France
If that were the case it would be easily verified from space.

I have yet to see the receipts
 
i don't have to BELIEVE in science.
science it's true wether i believe in it or not. all the evidence i've seen points to anthropogenic effects on the climate patterns through pollution and disturbance of natural cycles. it's proof vetted by thousands upon thousands of scientists whose work has been endlessly peer reviewed. you don't get to CHOOSE to believe in it. it's just true irrelevant of your opinion.
it's just that it's a fashion among dumb people now the idea that you can choose facts.
you don't.
 
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Because of deforestation, the Amazon rainforest is now producing more CO2 than it is absorbing. This seems as clear an example as any that the actions of man are impacting the climate, and i find it hard to believe that the industrialisation of most of the world over the last 100 years or so, and the acceleration of the global population alongside it hasnt been doing the same. Imo, the opposing viewpoint is founded in protecting economic interests and i am therefore quite sceptical of it.
 
Its not really about the population, it's about capitalism. If we as a society were dedicated to saving the planet for future generations, we could. But we aren't. And that's not going to change until the consequences force us to act against our immediate financial interests.
Lol. ok now I see what the climate change scam is really all about
 
If that were the case it would be easily verified from space.

I have yet to see the receipts


Despite its name indicating otherwise, the Great Pacific Garbage Patch isn’t one giant mass of trash, nor is it a floating island. Barely 1 percent of marine plastics are found floating at or near the ocean surface. There is now, on average, an estimated 70 kilograms of plastic in each square kilometer of seafloor.

These individual pieces of plastic are also smaller than one might expect. While some of the debris is large and visible – think plastic bottles, children’s toys and toothbrushes – much of it is microplastics, with lots of open water in between. “Because microplastics are smaller than a pencil eraser, they are not immediately noticeable to the naked eye,” the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) writes on its website. “It’s more like pepper flakes swirling in a soup than something you can skim off the surface.” These tiny bits of broken-down plastics are pervasive and easily mistaken for food by marine animals.
 
Don’t like the question is man made stuff adding to climate change ? Sure the how much is my question. Everything I’ve read and seen I think we change it around 10%
 
No. The climate has fluctuated for millions of years before us and will continue to do so when we're gone.

Mother Nature is powerful, it doesn't give a fuck and does what it wants when it wants. Humans bend the knee.

At no point in history has the avg temperature changed so dramatically over such a short period in such a permanent manner.

More importantly, we can quantify how a growth in greenhouse emissions increases the global temperature.

And we can also see how much c02 is in the atmosphere and at what rate its increasing. There is nothing else to be said.
 
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Those "natural" climate fluctuations happen over the course of tens of thousands of years, not two hundred years that just so happen to coincide with the start of the industrial revolution.
Most people that deny climate change and claim it’s just natural fluctuations ignore the science that CO2 and methane are greenhouse gases which trap heat into the Atmosphere. They cannot explain away that one thing.
 
At no point in history has the avg temperature changed so dramatically over such a short period in such a permanent manner.

More importantly, we can quantify how a growth in greenhouse emissions increases the global temperature.
Exactly this, climate change deniers cannot get around the issue of CO2 and methane which have been scientifically shown to increase temperature by trapping in heat
 
There certainly has been issues with the man made global warming theory. I can see why many are skeptical of the theory.

The position i take is that it isn't a bad idea to help keep the climate cleaner and healthier. Equally though I have a skeptical position about the immediate pressing need to go extreme with addressing this issue. It is something that is lower on my list of important items to address. I don't believe is the we only have 8 years left due to global warming. Even that study didn't believe it. It was only far left politicians and some journalists that charry picked information.

. Additionally I wish there was great tools for addressing man made glocal warming. Windmills and solar power are expensive and have a limited ability to provide the energy out nation needs. Nuclear is a good reliable energy generator, that is global warming friendsly, but is typically nixed by global warming advocates. Nuclear is also expensive. It can provide energy levels though that can help us to keep our current quality of life.

I think also the Biden administration and their psotion with killing off fossil fuels is only leading to much higher energy costs. Prices of gas and natural gas will only rise higher, hurting Americans with not only inflated energy prices but also higher pricing for foods and other goods that also use fluel for their creatioin and transportation.

Some writing I read yesterday.

https://www.billionairesportfolio.com/archives/7391

excerpt:

....Crude oil closed on a higher high for the eighth consecutive week. The price of oil finishes the week above $82. That means those producers that have survived the attack on the U.S. shale industry, can now sell oil for about double the price it costs them to produce it.

As we've discussed for the better part of the past year, the vow to kill fossil fuels in the name of climate action, only builds a moat around the existing producers.

Let's talk about bitcoin …
 
Imo, the opposing viewpoint is founded in protecting economic interests and i am therefore quite sceptical of it.
I agree, we should be particularly skeptical when big money is backing a specific position, particularly when they are inflexible and unwilling to entertain alternative viewpoints.

“According to a recent report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, “Federal funding for climate change research, technology, international assistance, and adaptation has increased from $2.4 billion in 1993 to $11.6 billion in 2014, with an additional $26.1 billion for climate change programs and activities provided by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009.”
 
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