Do you believe in man-made climate change?

[Armbars]

That pic is from the 2011 Japan quake. There's no island of garbage out in the Pacific.

Well thanks for clearing that up. We'll all sleep better tonight knowing you've moved it all.

Where did you put it all pal?


https://www.theworldcounts.com/stories/garbage_islands_in_the_ocean
https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/planet-earth/waste/great-pacific-garbage-patch-size/story

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-22939-w

 

[ocean size]

Well thanks for clearing that up. We'll all sleep better tonight knowing you've moved it all.

Where did you put it all pal?


https://www.theworldcounts.com/stories/garbage_islands_in_the_ocean
https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/planet-earth/waste/great-pacific-garbage-patch-size/story

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-22939-w

There's never been an island out there. The scientific reports paper you linked says 70k tonnes across 1.6 million km^2.
That's 50 kg per square km. If you were in the middle of it you wouldn't even know, although if you looked around with binos for a few minutes on a calm day you might spot a bit of net or buoy.

 

[Jose Beehive]

And stop fishing the fuck outta the oceans

For sure, I include Fish within the category of Animal lol.

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

But the climate change strategy is bullshit. The answer to excessive energy/resource consumption (aka spending) is not increased energy/resource consumption. We simply need to stop consuming so much of our resources. They're not going to last forever. The politicians should set an example by living frugal, simple lives.

I don't give a fuck about climate change because we have the technology to survive in pretty much any environment that will come from this, and warmer is a lot better than colder. I don't want a glacier to cover Canada again anytime soon. But I don't know how we would exist with depleted resources.

I actually wonder if they pushed this climate change shit so hard to try to compel us to develop technology to conserve resources. Since the result has simply been an increase in consumption via crony capitalism, they're going to shut this down and depopulate, one way or another. It wouldn't make sense to let us just waste everything that's left over the next few decades.

Exactly. The so-called solutions to climate change still don't get to the root of the problem which is excessive consumption. People claim they want to save the planet, but they don't want to change their lifestyle by living a simple life. People want something done so they can continue living a life of greed, endless consumption and excess. There is no real solution without a drastic change to how most of us live our lives.

 

[Armbars]

There's never been an island out there. The scientific reports paper you linked says 70k tonnes across 1.6 million km^2.
That's 50 kg per square km. If you were in the middle of it you wouldn't even know, although if you looked around with binos for a few minutes on a calm day you might spot a bit of net or buoy.

A lot of it is microplastics. its been collecting since the 70s

 

[Bacco]

Yes absolutely
We create too much artificial heat to think it have no effects on the normal course of nature

The actual amount of this influence is debatable though

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

Single best thing you can do is stop eating animal based products..

I read some good books by Joe Salatin explaining why a vegan diet is inefficient. The biggest problem is that you are using too much land to grow specific crops. The most efficient way to grow food is local, free-range farms that create a balanced Eco-system where animals graze and enrich the soil in combination with a diversity of crops. I highly recommend reading Salatin's books and watching a few of his videos.

 

[Jose Beehive]

I read some good books by Joe Salatin explaining why a vegan diet is inefficient. The biggest problem is that you are using too much land to grow specific crops. The most efficient way to grow food is local, free-range farms that create a balanced Eco-system where animals graze and enrich the soil in combination with a diversity of crops. I highly recommend reading Salatin's books and watching a few of his videos.

It is true, nothing perfect about the way plant produce is flown around the world... However the government subsidies used to fund the crops grown for farmed Animals is far more problematic, for example Soy eaters get a load of shit, despite around 80% of the worlds Soy production being fed to livestock... Reduce farmed Animal crops and create more space and money to fund a more efficient and less harmful diverse plant farming system.

As for "free range" animal farming, I don't believe it's as good an option as just re-wilding the farming areas.. Exclusive and expensive meat is a ridiculous option to try and feed 8 Billion people, not to mention the amount of space used for it is far less efficient than even factory farms, one thing the cruel cunty industry does have over this elitist myth of a solution.

 

[west42]

Both of those links confirm what I said/posted. Take a deep breath and relax

Well thanks for clearing that up. We'll all sleep better tonight knowing you've moved it all.

Where did you put it all pal?


https://www.theworldcounts.com/stories/garbage_islands_in_the_ocean
https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/planet-earth/waste/great-pacific-garbage-patch-size/story

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-22939-w

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

It is true, nothing perfect about the way plant produce is flown around the world... However the government subsidies used to fund the crops grown for farmed Animals is far more problematic, for example Soy eaters get a load of shit, despite around 80% of the worlds Soy production being fed to livestock... Reduce farmed Animal crops and create more space and money to fund a more efficient and less harmful diverse plant farming.

I agree with you about the waste used to feed animals on large corporate farms, but the solution isn't getting everyone on a Vegan diet. It is changing how farming is done. We need to get farming away from a few greedy, bloated companies and back to local farmers who will properly care for the land and raise the animals well.

 

[Jose Beehive]

I agree with you about the waste used to feed animals on large corporate farms, but the solution isn't getting everyone on a Vegan diet. It is changing how farming is done. We need to get farming away from a few greedy, bloated companies and back to local farmers who will properly care for the land and raise the animals well.

See the 2nd part of my post

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

See the 2nd part of my post

It is not that expensive. Listen to what Salatin and many others like him have been able to accomplish on relatively small farms raising cattle and chickens on naturally grown grass and clover.

 

[Jose Beehive]

It is not that expensive. Listen to what Salatin and many others like him have been able to accomplish on relatively small farms raising cattle and chickens on naturally grown grass and clover.

Imo it is, one fellow on here tried to tell me he eat $40 steak every day from one of these farms and that everyone should .. i believe the solution should be viable for everyone worldwide, that goes for those living in apartment blocks in cities on minimum wage and also those who live in harsh terrain..

No doubt it's better to eat meat in this fashion rather than the factory way, but this is where we started, morally the usage of animals is something I think we as a species would idealistically benefit from moving away from.. Business is business, eventually these small farms will want to expand and earn more money.. Backyard chicken eggs start as gifts and then become a business over time .

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

Imo it is, one fellow on here tried to tell me he eat $40 steak every day from one of these farms and that everyone should .. i believe the solution should be viable for everyone worldwide, that goes for those living in apartment blocks in cities on minimum wage and also those who live in harsh terrain..

No doubt it's better to eat meat in this fashion rather than the factory way, but this is where we started, morally the usage of animals is something I think we as a species would idealistically benefit from moving away from.. Business is business, eventually these small farms will want to expand and earn more money.. Backyard chicken eggs start as gifts and then become a business over time .

In the current system I completely agree with what you are saying. Affordable, localized farming is not possible in the system of crushing efficiency and profit over people (and animals) that we have now. The current "organic" food industry is only affordable for the wealthy.

 

[Zazen]

I agree with you about the waste used to feed animals on large corporate farms, but the solution isn't getting everyone on a Vegan diet. It is changing how farming is done. We need to get farming away from a few greedy, bloated companies and back to local farmers who will properly care for the land and raise the animals well.

Factory farms exist to meet the demand for meat. I just don’t see how we eliminate them without more people going vegan or a huge reduction in meat consumption. You said veganism isn’t the answer but if not then how can you ever expect business to change their ways when there are families who want meat cheap as possible and in high quantity. That’s the major flaw I see in these types of arguments. Everyone wants “ethical” meat but doesn’t want to reduce their intake or pay more.

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

Factory farms exist to meet the demand for meat. I just don’t see how we eliminate them without more people going vegan or a huge reduction in meat consumption. You said veganism isn’t the answer but if not then how can you ever expect business to change their ways when there are families who want meat cheap as possible and in high quantity. That’s the major argument I see in these types of arguments. Everyone wants “ethical” meat but doesn’t want to reduce their intake or pay more.

I understand the problem. I agree the most efficient short-term approach would be to reduce meat consumption (most of us should significantly reduce the amount we eat overall) and not support factory-farmed meat by purchasing it. The long-term goal should be localizing farms and running economies on a smaller, local level as much as possible. How farming is currently done is more of a problem than eating meat.

 

[deviake]

It is true, nothing perfect about the way plant produce is flown around the world... However the government subsidies used to fund the crops grown for farmed Animals is far more problematic, for example Soy eaters get a load of shit, despite around 80% of the worlds Soy production being fed to livestock... Reduce farmed Animal crops and create more space and money to fund a more efficient and less harmful diverse plant farming system.

As for "free range" animal farming, I don't believe it's as good an option as just re-wilding the farming areas.. Exclusive and expensive meat is a ridiculous option to try and feed 8 Billion people, not to mention the amount of space used for it is far less efficient than even factory farms, one thing the cruel cunty industry does have over this elitist myth of a solution.

Imo it is, one fellow on here tried to tell me he eat $40 steak every day from one of these farms and that everyone should .. i believe the solution should be viable for everyone worldwide, that goes for those living in apartment blocks in cities on minimum wage and also those who live in harsh terrain..

No doubt it's better to eat meat in this fashion rather than the factory way, but this is where we started, morally the usage of animals is something I think we as a species would idealistically benefit from moving away from.. Business is business, eventually these small farms will want to expand and earn more money.. Backyard chicken eggs start as gifts and then become a business over time .

Factory farms exist to meet the demand for meat. I just don’t see how we eliminate them without more people going vegan or a huge reduction in meat consumption. You said veganism isn’t the answer but if not then how can you ever expect business to change their ways when there are families who want meat cheap as possible and in high quantity. That’s the major flaw I see in these types of arguments. Everyone wants “ethical” meat but doesn’t want to reduce their intake or pay more.

 

[ShadowRun]

Why not a zoom meeting ? It has to be a private plane lol

 

[2fast2see]

Do you remember how the earth cleaned itself during the lockdown.

All the smog and pollution over CA and China disappeared.

The earth is not fragile only man's mind.

 

[MMAGA]

No. The climate has fluctuated for millions of years before us and will continue to do so when we're gone.

Mother Nature is powerful, it doesn't give a fuck and does what it wants when it wants. Humans bend the knee.

LOL! "Millions of years".