Do we have a depression illness epidemic?

[AFewDollarsMore]

heard a theory that the the original immigrants to the US are more likely to be depressed as they are go getters and willing to leave their country of origin for a land unknown. These traits are passed down for great benefit economically but at a cost of anxiety and depression.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Kind of a strawman argument. No one is suggesting it didn't exist back then. The question is if it has now become an epidemic due to whatever factors.

Actually a lot of rhetoric is that people were tougher years ago and they didn't suffer from such things

So I disagree with you once again

 

[Deleted member 196663]

delete, please.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Actually a lot of rhetoric is that people were tougher years ago and they didn't suffer from such things

So I disagree with you once again

Didn't see one person say it didn't exist back then. You can disagree, but you don't have any facts supporting you.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Didn't see one person say it didn't exist back then. You can disagree, but you don't have any facts supporting you.

its been said before on this website. Doesn't have to specifically be in this thread.

It's a common theme that people from other generations didn't suffer from this when in fact they did.


Almost anything has been said before on sherdog.

 

[deviake]

I'm sure there's many causes, but I think the complexity and nigh unending stimulation and demand of modern life is a notable contributing factor.

 

[KhabibTheBeagle]

A mixture of mental illness being more accepted and understood, and also some misdiagnoses.

I know a lot of people who claim to be depressed or bipolar, just because they had a bad day.

Even if you go to a doctor, you can just tell them what they want to hear, and you can get diagnosed with depression.

 

[Fedorable]

We have an epidemic of people that were raised in an everyones a winner/never told no bubble, coming to terms and struggling with the fact that they're not special.

pfft, I'll never come to terms.

 

[Supereem]

This is a problem of the Anglosphere. Mentally weak compared to the rest of the world. You have everything and yet are still miserable.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

My beleif is that it is way more rampant now and it's because of the internet. I beleive I read it in the war room at one point but someone pointed out that humans are meant to be a bit more tribal and that city living is contrary to our nature. We were meant to be apart of smaller, more dispersed units rather than lost amongst a sea of people and this causes prejudice and (ironically) lonliness. It is also known that in the blue zone nations (where people live the longest) there are certain commonalities between them which include being social and usually they are very tiny isolated islands. People tend to be happiest in these places. The internet imo worsens the ironic loneliness that is met in big cities and indefinitely imposes it in places that have a low population to begin with. Instead of being lost in a sea of people you are lost in a sea of information. You cease to accumulate memories with real human interaction/emotion attached to it.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

its been said before on this website. Doesn't have to specifically be in this thread.

It's a common theme that people from other generations didn't suffer from this when in fact they did.


Almost anything has been said before on sherdog.

It's a common theme that peple from other generations suffered LESSS from this. Not that it never existed back then.

 

[Sir Punchalot]

We have an epidemic of people that were raised in an everyones a winner/never told no bubble, coming to terms and struggling with the fact that they're not special.

I'd definitely agree with this. Mainstream society has always been sick, but this time it's sick in new and novel ways.

 

[560ti]

We live artificial lives . Too little exercise, shitty artificial food , broken and dispersed families , too much electronic stimulation, too much medication, Not enough sunlight ect ect.

Live an unnatural lifestyle and dont be surprised when your mind and body dont function properly.

Agree strongly with this. Great post

 

[ultramanhyata]

We have an epidemic of people that were raised in an everyones a winner/never told no bubble, coming to terms and struggling with the fact that they're not special.

No, it's that we live in a country designed and ruled over by a small percentage of pathologically ambitious sociopaths.

But the majority of the populace are not sociopathic.

And so end up living their lives like round pegs being continually slammed into square holes, wondering why they're not "happy".

This results in depression and anxiety.

Here's an article about the happiest children in the entire world. And why they are so.

As opposed to the 26th ranked children in the USA. (The US coming in just ahead of the the three poorest countries in the entire survey. So much for being the world's richest nation.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/family/raise-worlds-happiest-children-time-went-dutch/

 

[TheGreatA]

Modern psychiatry is comparable to "sorcery" of the past, seeking only to address the symptoms of a disease, but never the cause. Indeed, I would say that it is in the best interests of psychiatrists, as it was once of the various "sorcerers", to make certain that the origins of the disease remain unaddressed, and that the cogs in the "machine" are kept well-oiled and capable of productivity through the use of drugs and psychological manipulation, even if the machine itself is broken.

What we are seeing in modern times is the greatest struggle of the secular society. As we move away from the religious construct, we find ourselves incapable of filling the void with materialism. No amount of anti-depressants or other chemicals being pumped into our brains, will ever replace an injection of the spirit. All it truly does, is dullen our senses to a point where we no longer care about our lack of purpose.

I thrive on what most people would probably regard as a "depressed" mind-state, since it allows myself to be more capable of observing the surrounding reality and criticizing its negative aspects. At no point am I ever more capable of introspection and observation than when I'm "depressed". I find it a shame that most people seek to flee away from "depression", and regard it as some type of an illness that they are afflicted with. In truth it is a very natural reaction to what we are surrounded with on a constant basis. We should seek to embrace this mind-state, for it is the logical end result of our society's "behavioural collapse" and loss of principles, and purpose.

I'm only threatened by the prospect of humans no longer being depressed in a society comparable to ours. That is the end of individual will, and the end of human beings as we know them.

 

[IDL]

Modern psychiatry is comparable to "sorcery" of the past, seeking only to address the symptoms of a disease, but never the cause. Indeed, I would say that it is in the best interests of psychiatrists, as it was once of the various "sorcerers", to make certain that the origins of the disease remain unaddressed, and that the cogs in the "machine" are kept well-oiled and capable of productivity through the use of drugs and psychological manipulation, even if the machine itself is broken.

What we are seeing in modern times is the greatest struggle of the secular society. As we move away from the religious construct, we find ourselves incapable of filling the void with materialism. No amount of anti-depressants or other chemicals being pumped into our brains, will ever replace an injection of the spirit. All it truly does, is dullen our senses to a point where we no longer care about our lack of purpose.

I thrive on what most people would probably regard as a "depressed" mind-state, since it makes myself more capable of observing the surrounding reality and criticizing its negative aspects. At no point am I ever more capable of introspection and observation than when I'm "depressed". I find it a shame that most people seek to flee away from "depression", and regard it as some type of an illness that they are afflicted with. In truth it is a very natural reaction to what we are surrounded with on a constant basis. We should seek to embrace this mind-state, for it is the logical end result of our society's "behavioural collapse" and loss of principles, and purpose.

I'm only threatened by the prospect of humans no longer being depressed in a society comparable to ours. That is the end of individual will, and the end of human beings as we know them.

Yeah there are certainly conflicts of interest when it comes to keeping people away from treating the source of the problem. Much more lucrative in many ways, to keep people buying band-aid fixes.

As to your other comment, it reminds me of Aldus Huxley's view of people who are subject to modern socially engineered environments

"The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted"

 

[TheGreatA]

Yeah there are certainly conflicts of interest when it comes to keeping people away from treating the source of the problem. Much more lucrative in many ways, to keep people buying band-aid fixes.

As to your other comment, it reminds me of Aldus Huxley's view of people who are subject to modern socially engineered environments

"The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted"

Once a man realizes himself to be essentially a domesticated farm animal, soon to find himself in a similar position as the pig or the cow, no longer being capable of "going back" to be an aurochs or a wild boar roaming in the wild, as a result of a cruel selective process breeding only the weak-willed and submissive, filtering out all the qualities which would allow an individual to survive on his own without being dependent on a greater collective, a provider, it is to be expected that he will grow depressed and ultimately psychotic, at the sight of his own condition and his helplessness.

The realization of society's "end game" is quite a tough pill to swallow. Most of us are looking at the "end game" on our dinner plate. As we consume the animal, likewise our energies will be consumed by the system, until we become incapable of fulfilling our function, after which we are tossed aside and replaced by another "cog" in the machine. And it appears that we are becoming more and more replaceable by each year. Domesticated and weak, we have come to accept this condition, as the system has won the struggle for control over our lives.

What was once intended as a pact commonly agreed upon by individuals, to become more capable of co-operating with others in order to pursue greater objectives, has become too great of a monster for the individual to have any power over, any longer.

I suppose it is only fitting that we, the humans, who domesticated the animals, would in the end domesticate ourselves.

 

[IDL]

Once a man realizes himself to be essentially a domesticated farm animal, soon to find himself in a similar position as the pig or the cow, no longer being capable of "going back" to be an aurochs or a wild boar roaming in the wild, as a result of a cruel selective process breeding only the weak-willed and submissive, filtering out all the qualities which would allow an individual to survive on his own without being dependent on a greater collective, it is to be expected that he will grow depressed and ultimately psychotic, at the sight of his own condition and his helplessness.

The realization of society's "end game" is quite a tough pill to swallow. Most of us are looking at the "end game" on our dinner plate. As we consume the animal, likewise our energies will be consumed by the system, until we become incapable of fulfilling our function, after which we are tossed aside and replaced by another "cog" in the machine. And it appears that we are becoming more and more replaceable by each year. Domesticated and weak, we have come to accept this condition, as the system has won the struggle for control over our lives.

I think the domestication you are referring to happens in the mind, not the body. So then the mind (subject to conditioning/domestication) and body (instincts which a result of evolution and which are static) can become quite misaligned and in conflict with one another.

A lot of social engineering/conditioning goes into overriding the human instinct, in order to create the aforementioned cog being.

 

[TheGreatA]

I think the domestication you are referring to happens in the mind, not the body. So then the mind (subject to conditioning/domestication) and body (instincts which a result of evolution and which are static) can become quite misaligned and in conflict with one another.

A lot of social engineering/conditioning goes into overriding the human instinct, in order to create the aforementioned cog being.

Evolution is a cruel process and ultimately it will not only be a condition of the mind, but also of the body. And by that time, it will become impossible to be an "individual" any longer, much like it would be impossible for a farm animal to survive without his provider. Centuries pass, and evolution will take effect.

One of the most crushing realizations I ever had, was the fact that the Nazi concentration camps barely had any armed guards. Maybe one for every hundred or thousand prisoners. The camps were ran largely by the prisoners themselves. Every man, capable of surviving on his own, could've sneaked out and lived in the wild. But these were city people, dependent on being provided food and shelter by the Nazis.

They were slaughtered like pigs and cows.

 

[IDL]

Evolution is a cruel process and ultimately it will not only be a condition of the mind, but also of the body. And by that time, it will become impossible to be an "individual" any longer, much like it would be impossible for a farm animal to survive without his provider. Centuries pass, and evolution will take effect.

One of the most crushing realizations I ever had, was the fact that the Nazi concentration camps barely had any armed guards. Maybe one for every hundred or thousand prisoners. The camps were ran largely by the prisoners themselves. Every man, capable of surviving on his own, could've sneaked out and lived in the wild. But these were city people, dependent on being provided food and shelter by the Nazis.

They were slaughtered like pigs and cows.

Evolution does condition the mind but I can't tell if you are saying there is an artificial selection process (chosen for domestication) or if it is the natural outcome of evolution. I lean towards the latter, but could see it going the other way eventually.

As for dependency, yeah systems are often built up around human nature/psychology. Dependency is probably the biggest factor when it comes to having people 'voluntarily' do what you want them to do. Plenty of factors at play though.