Elections DNC today in Chicago

avenue94 said:
Muslim Americans are more pro LGBT then a lot of other demographics, including Evangelicals at this point. Never understood why people try and argue otherwise.
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I think they argue otherwise sometimes because if you are a gay person that goes to the middle East, they cut your head off.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
Pretty sure she's going to flip Arizona.
Heard that abortion accuss for the state will be on the ballot in November.

Sad to say, but the 'right to abort their offspring' is a major motivator for liberal women to get in the voting booths.
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Wouldn't matter without Pennsylvania, it's still 276 EC votes even if she won AZ, but it's a border state and the border and economy are their top 2 issues, and abortion is now an issue for state races.

Looks like the secretary of state is trying to slip in illegals voting by requiring proof of citizenship for state races, but accepting a pinky promise to vote for president. They are at 40,000 people registered to vote with no proof of citizenship, and republicans have asked to SCOTUS to block them until they provide proof of citizenship, so we'll see what they decide. The state was decided by 10,000 votes last time, so 40,000 votes from people who didn't have to prove they're citizens could be significant.



Arizona Proof of Citizenship Requirement​


A person who submits valid proof of citizenship with their voter registration form (and is otherwise an eligible registrant) is entitled to vote in all federal, state, and local elections in which they are eligible. A.R.S. § 16-101.


A registrant who attests to being a citizen but fails to provide proof of citizenship and whose citizenship is not otherwise verified will be eligible to vote only in federal elections (known as being a "federal only" voter).


A "federal only" voter will become eligible to vote a "full ballot" in all federal, state, and local elections if they later provide valid proof of citizenship to the appropriate County Recorder's office.
 
nostradumbass said:
Wouldn't matter without Pennsylvania, it's still 276 EC votes even if she won AZ, but it's a border state and the border and economy are their top 2 issues, and abortion is now an issue for state races.

Looks like the secretary of state is trying to slip in illegals voting by requiring proof of citizenship for state races, but accepting a pinky promise to vote for president. They are at 40,000 people registered to vote with no proof of citizenship, and republicans have asked to SCOTUS to block them until they provide proof of citizenship, so we'll see what they decide. The state was decided by 10,000 votes last time, so 40,000 votes from people who didn't have to prove they're citizens could be significant.



Arizona Proof of Citizenship Requirement​


A person who submits valid proof of citizenship with their voter registration form (and is otherwise an eligible registrant) is entitled to vote in all federal, state, and local elections in which they are eligible. A.R.S. § 16-101.


A registrant who attests to being a citizen but fails to provide proof of citizenship and whose citizenship is not otherwise verified will be eligible to vote only in federal elections (known as being a "federal only" voter).


A "federal only" voter will become eligible to vote a "full ballot" in all federal, state, and local elections if they later provide valid proof of citizenship to the appropriate County Recorder's office.
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You better be worrying about north carolina. Its the new georgia.
 
avenue94 said:
Why would I distinguish between identifying as a Muslim and practicing as a Muslim when I wouldn't do the same for any other religious group? You're just trying to find an way to manipulate the polling to favor your preconceived notions.

Muslim Americans poll ahead of white evangelicals, Hispanic protestants and Jehovah's Witness (aka "many Christian groups") for LGBT protections and they poll ahead of sevearl more Christian denominations when it comes to religious refusals of service (another hobby horse for the Christian right and Republican party).

When it comes to gay marriage, they support it more than Mormons, Hispanic protestants, evangelicals and Jehovah's Witnesses, and they're effectively tied with a lot of other smaller protestant denominations. All in all, there's next to no evidence that Muslim Americans by and large are particularly hostile to gay Americans and issues, and there's plenty of evidence that shows them being more supportive than many Christian groups.

www.prri.org

More Acceptance but Growing Polarization on LGBTQ Rights: Findings From the 2022 American Values Atlas

www.prri.org www.prri.org
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I mean... but let's be honest about the data you've posted. It splinters Christians into several groups, and lumps Muslims altogether as one group, and then (predictably) the more generic "Muslim" group as a whole (which includes secular Muslims) polls as being more tolerant than the least tolerant splinter groups of the larger Christian community.

This isn't an anti-Islam rebuttal by any stretch. There are plenty of very tolerant Muslims in the world, and especially in the west. And there are plenty of extremely intolerant Christians. But it's silly to suggest that the data you are presenting is comparing apples to apples.

The way that Christians and Muslims are grouped and ranked in this data offers a completely skewed picture and it's difficult to imagine that anyone who understands what they're looking at could think anything different.
 
jeremyemilio said:
I mean... but let's be honest about the data you've posted. It splinters Christians into several groups, and lumps Muslims altogether as one group, and then (predictably) the more generic "Muslim" group as a whole (which includes secular Muslims) polls as being more tolerant than the least tolerant splinter groups of the larger Christian community.
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Almost certainly sample size issues. It's not cost efffective to try and break out Muslim Americans into specific groups, past basic demographic details. A problem you don't get with Christian groups at this point.
jeremyemilio said:
This isn't an anti-Islam rebuttal by any stretch. There are plenty of very tolerant Muslims in the world, and especially in the west. And there are plenty of extremely intolerant Christians. But it's silly to suggest that the data you are presenting is comparing apples to apples.
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I'm comparing America to America. You don't get much more apples to apples than that in a discussion about American politics.
jeremyemilio said:
The way that Christians and Muslims are grouped and ranked in this data offers a completely skewed picture and it's difficult to imagine that anyone who understands what they're looking at could think anything different.
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I feel like you haven't done your basic napkin math on the sample sizes required to break out the Muslim American population.
 
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