DNC Leaked Emails Thread v2: #DNCleaks #NothingToSeeHere

[method115]

The donor thing shouldn't surprise anyone. That is standard Capitol Hill politics. I can no more tar the DNC for that one when I've never commented on it for all of the previous years at any level of government.

Hell, I read about it when I was reading Theodore Roosevelt's biography and I didn't bat an eyelash then.

If every element of traditional political sausage making is going to get a thread then people are going to be surprised at just how things do/don't get done. I do think the Sanders thing was a problem since they potentially scuttled a viable candidate for cronyism. But this?

I think this post explains just how sad are political system is right now. We read about corruption and no longer even care because it's just par for the course now. It's normal to us for politicians to lie, steal, give favors.

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

I am confused. This is the most tranparent administration ever. why doesnt obama just say "Bring it on Russia! Bring it on Wikileaks!" We WANT our people to see all of this. we have nothing to hide

 

[VivaRevolution]

I think this post explains just how sad are political system is right now. We read about corruption and no longer even care because it's just par for the course now. It's normal to us for politicians to lie, steal, give favors.

Legalized corruption, legalized bribery.

It is forever one of the great mysteries in this world to me, that every person in this country doesn't realize that campaign finance, and lobbying are the root of our problems.

Nothing can be done, or fixed, until we fix these two issues.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Bit of a grey area calling it stolen, somewhere between accounting fraud, and stolen I guess.

The DNC was using state funds, and transferring 99.5% of donations to Clinton's PAC.

I'm totally unfamiliar with the internal rules or legalities. What's the DNC response to the accusation?

 

[Hans Gruber]

I'm totally unfamiliar with the internal rules or legalities. What's the DNC response to the accusation?

The media is largely ignoring it so I am not sure that they even had to respond.

They focus on a few lines accidentally plagiarized from a speech or Russia instead.

They focused on emails about favoring Hillary over Bernie instead of the money trail

 

[PEB]

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Check out @RandyRRQuaid's Tweet:

 

[panamaican]

I think this post explains just how sad are political system is right now. We read about corruption and no longer even care because it's just par for the course now. It's normal to us for politicians to lie, steal, give favors.

Not right now. For ever. Perhaps I'm being too pragmatic here. No one runs around finding donors for a major political party without hoping that the party gives them credit for their efforts. They hope that part of that credit means that they get looked at for boards and committees that they're qualified for. In an appointment process, the executive branch is looking to appoint people who agree with the administration. So there was always going to be a preference for people loyal to the administration whether they donated or not.

It's the nature of relationships and pretending that it's unique to politics or even a recent thing is naive. Hell, every board I've ever sat on picks committee appointees from the personal relationships of the people with appointment power. Those are the people you know and can best trust to execute your vision of how things should work.

You want a promotion at work? People get to know the boss. They get him/her a birthday card. They pick up the lunch check a few extra times. They volunteer for unpleasant assignments to show their dedication.

People had to know this is how politics works too...right?

 

[dontsnitch]

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Check out @RandyRRQuaid's Tweet:

E-maillary? That's just awful. Randy Quaid should go home and think about what he's done.

 

[golvmopp]

Aaaaahahahahahah, shit just gets better by the minute:

TL;DR: read the headline of the first page and signature at the end. :^)

 

[panamaican]

So you don't think it is an issue, that Democratic voters gave Bernie a huge fundraising advantage, and that the DNC used it's general coffers, to fund her election and erase that advantage?

Even as a hardcore party member I don't know how anyone can support this. Do you not care about the down ticket at all for the Democrats?

Are you really OK with emptying the treasury to defeat another Democrat?

I don't care about the Democrats at all, that's true. I'm registered (R).

And I said I think conspiring against Sanders was a bad decision. But I've said plenty of times before that the DNC isn't a government entity, they're not obligated to give Sanders a fair shake. They don't even have to have a public primary if they don't want one. I think it was dumb to bias their process against Sanders though.

What I mostly said is that the practice of looking at your most loyal/active supporters when it comes time to appoint people to positions is as old as U.S. politics itself. Every time a new executive comes in, they fill all of the appointed positions with loyalists. This isn't new/surprising. The turnover is fairly normal.

 

[method115]

Not right now. For ever. Perhaps I'm being too pragmatic here. No one runs around finding donors for a major political party without hoping that the party gives them credit for their efforts. They hope that part of that credit means that they get looked at for boards and committees that they're qualified for. In an appointment process, the executive branch is looking to appoint people who agree with the administration. So there was always going to be a preference for people loyal to the administration whether they donated or not.

It's the nature of relationships and pretending that it's unique to politics or even a recent thing is naive. Hell, every board I've ever sat on picks committee appointees from the personal relationships of the people with appointment power. Those are the people you know and can best trust to execute your vision of how things should work.

You want a promotion at work? People get to know the boss. They get him/her a birthday card. They pick up the lunch check a few extra times. They volunteer for unpleasant assignments to show their dedication.

People had to know this is how politics works too...right?

I don't disagree with anything your saying. I'm just saying it's sad that we've just come to accept this.

 

[panamaican]

I don't disagree with anything your saying. I'm just saying it's sad that we've just come to accept this.

What I'm saying is that we haven't come to accept anything. It's how the world works at all levels. It's no different than someone coming to accept that we only make friends with people we like.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Look at Comrade Drumpf betraying america disgusting

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-hack-hillary-clinton/index.html

 

[5H3RD0G]

Misdirection by politicians is a golden rule for their survival.

 

[method115]

What I'm saying is that we haven't come to accept anything. It's how the world works at all levels. It's no different than someone coming to accept that we only make friends with people we like.

It's vastly different. They don't know these people they are appointing. Are they even qualified or did they just give so much money that they had to? Was someone more qualified past up because they didn't donate?

 

[Hans Gruber]

Look at Comrade Drumpf betraying america disgusting

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-hack-hillary-clinton/index.html

Betraying America?

He said that they probably have everything already. (they can't hack the deleted emails now...they are gone)

How is asking Russia to supply Hillary's deleted "personal" emails betraying America?

If these were really personal emails like Honest Hillary claimed then there is nothing to worry about... right?

If she lied and deleted classified emails it will be more proof that she should be in jail.

Obviously you don't believe her

 

[golvmopp]

Look at Comrade Drumpf betraying america disgusting

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-hack-hillary-clinton/index.html

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Betraying America?

He said that they probably have everything already. (they can't hack the deleted emails now...they are gone)

How is asking Russia to supply Hillary's deleted "personal" emails betraying America?

If these were really personal emails like Honest Hillary claimed then there is nothing to worry about... right?

If she lied and deleted classified emails it will be more proof that she should be in jail.

Obviously you don't believe her

He's asking for assistance from two of our countries rivals Russia and China against his opponent in the US presidential race. If you don't see the issue with this then I don't know what to tell you. These are countries who have spied and hacked us several times in the past. Comrade Drumpf is a traitor to our country and should be expelled from the race.

 

[panamaican]

It's vastly different. They don't know these people they are appointing. Are they even qualified or did they just give so much money that they had to? Was someone more qualified past up because they didn't donate?

The vast majority of the people appointed aren't personally known to the President. They are relying on the recommendations of the party. Honestly, no one has time to personally vet each and every person. That's going to happen at the lower levels.

As for qualifications, the actions of the appointed will reflect back on the administration so preserving your reputation will ensure that, for the most part, the appointed will be qualified. Will they be the absolutely best qualified people? Probably not. Will there be a few completely inappropriate choices? Probably. But that would happen anyway. The absolute best are probably making more money in the private sector and given the raw number of appointed positions, duds would always snake through.

I'm not saying it's the right way to do things, only that it's natural way to do things. We can champion the ideal process but when some version of this process shows up in every type of organization that relies on appointments, perhaps we should realize that it's probably more natural than appointing complete strangers with untested loyalty to positions of influence.

 

[panamaican]

He's asking for assistance from two of our countries rivals Russia and China against his opponent in the US presidential race. If you don't see the issue with this then I don't know what to tell you. These are countries who have spied and hacked us several times in the past. Comrade Drumpf is a traitor to our country and should be expelled from the race.

See, I agree with you here...although not quite to the same extent. There's definitely an issue with outright suggesting that foreign governments interfere with our campaigns. Even in jest, it might be going too far.