Opinion Diversity in hiring - Should we hire based on skin color, sexual preference, disability status - or the content of someone's character?

[Sweater of AV]

Maybe you two can drive a truck together.

 

[shockaholic12]

'Should' being the key word, and according to totalitarians like yourself that means 80% of the police force must be 80%.

But what if there's not enough latinos applying? What if the latino applicants are fat, undisciplined, or have criminal records?
What if the current police force may have far fewer problems than the national average with the current racial dynamics?
Should black cops be fired to make room for latino rookies?
What if the local latino population are satisfied with the quality of police in their area?
What if 'If its not broke, don't fix it?'

These just a few hypotheticals that you 'DEI-activists for policing' don't even consider before automatically concluding DEI racial quotas are an improvement in every possible situation.

Should as yes we should strive for that and take measures to achieve something relative to it. No one is checking the census and saying it has to be 8 out of 10 and exactly reflect stats but you accept getting in that ball park as achieving your goal.

If there aren’t qualified Latinos you want on your team available in the prospect pool you hire someone else and continue looking during the next vacancy. No one needs to be fired to achieve vacancies they happen naturally have you ever had a job why does that need to be explained to you like a toddler?

If it’s high achieving department it’ll have the system in place to train new recruits well, even the ones that speak Spanish. Duh.

If they locals don’t want a policy in their PD that’s what local elections are for. Have you ever left your basement?

All these hypotheticals have painfully obvious explanations and are far from novel you guys love to pat yourself on the back for smooth-brained observations it’s so pathetic lol

 

[shockaholic12]

I already basically asked all those questions and these guys completely avoided every one of them. Don't expect any sort of answer and definitely don't expect the reply to have an ounce of honesty to it either.

you asked questions that violate basic grammar what answers are you expecting to "diverse *a noun* from what?" dummy? I can't answer that because it's not a coherent thought.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

All these hypotheticals have painfully obvious explanations and are far from novel you guys love to pat yourself on the back for smooth-brained observations it’s so pathetic lol

Nope, you're not dodging those questions with a handwave.

Go ahead - Say what the consequences should be for all police departments with Chiefs & Captains that'd tell you your DEI fantasy is an impossibility and you should go fuck yourself.

Say what would happen, if there was any realistic political resistance.

 

[shockaholic12]

We accept your concession.

You don't have to admit you now know what you were arguing for was retarded, everybody but you and @shockaholic12 already knew it was.

Go in peace, and less retarded.

still waiting for you to happily explain all the specific woke scenes from all the recent comic flops like you said you happily would then cried like a bitch when told to go ahead.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

still waiting for you to happily explain all the specific woke scenes from all the recent comic flops like you said you happily would then cried like a bitch when told to go ahead.

That discussion concluded, and you lost, badly.

We've moved on to something you're losing even worse.

 

[shockaholic12]

Nope, you're not dodging those questions with a handwave.

Go ahead - Say what the consequences should be for all police departments with Chiefs & Captains that'd tell you your DEI fantasy is an impossibility and you should go fuck yourself.

Say what would happen, if there was any realistic political resistance.

I didn't hand wave I addressed them, which is why you had to delete that part of the post like a bitch when you replied to it.

You've lost the plot so fucking hard you are now fantasizing about me, a random on the internet, having a make believe conversation with hypothetical police chiefs where they hypothetically hate DEI and in your wet dreams tell me off. This is more pathetic than when Trump hired an obama impersonator to pretend fire. You have to skip off to total fairy tale land to tell yourself I'm getting pretend yelled at. This is rock bottom lol.

 

[shockaholic12]

That discussion concluded, and you lost, badly.

We've moved on to something you're losing even worse.

concluded when you bitched out from doing what you said you happily would if asked? Correct.

You considering that a win makes me concerned you've never experienced a win in your life.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

didn't hand wave I addressed them, which is why you had to delete that part of the post like a bitch when you replied to it.

I haven't deleted a single portion of a single post in this entire thread.

I've been accused of editing/deleting posts before. @Islam Imamate confirmed those accusations were false. Would you like him to confirm you're full of shit?

Don't bother. You're proved yourself to be full kf shit many times in this thread.

You've lost the plot so fucking hard you are now fantasizing about me, a random on the internet, having a conversation with hypothetical police chiefs where they hypothetically hate DEI and tell me off. This is more pathetic than when Trump hired an obama impersonator to pretend fire. You have to skip off to total fairy tale land to tell yourself I'm getting pretend yelled at. This is rock bottom lol.

What process do you think a DEI-racial quotas in policing would take to be emplimented?
That's your problem, you live in a fantasy world without any realistic means to achieve your dreams.
Do you think some legislatures would pass a law?
Do you think there wouldn't be any research done beforehand? With input from anyone with a background in criminal justice? Has anyone with a bachelors in criminal justice endorsed such a plan? How about a masters? Any experienced policemen? Detectives?

You hear about... or rather you're told... about disparages between racial demographics & racial makeup of cops... and you see a problem.
A problem that needs to be solved by firing the wrong colored police and hiring the correct color of police. And you don't bother listen to the obvious issues that would cause far worse problems.

But to you, the only problem would be solved... because you only notice, and care about, the color of people's skin.

Like all racists.

 

[Copper Burner]

Yeah

 

[shockaholic12]

I haven't deleted a single portion of a single post in this entire thread.

I've been accused of editing/deleting posts before. @Islam Imamate confirmed those accusations were false. Would you like him to confirm you're full of shit?

Don't bother. You're proved yourself to be full kf shit many times in this thread.



What process do you think a DEI-racial quotas in policing would take to be emplimented?
That's your problem, you live in a fantasy world without any realistic means to achieve your dreams.
Do you think some legislatures would pass a law?
Do you think there wouldn't be any research done beforehand? With input from anyone with a background in criminal justice? Has anyone with a bachelors in criminal justice endorsed such a plan? How about a masters? Any experienced policemen? Detectives?

You hear about... or rather you're told... about disparages between racial demographics & racial makeup of cops... and you see a problem.
A problem that needs to be solved by firing the wrong colored police and hiring the correct color of police. And you don't bother listen to the obvious issues that would cause far worse problems.

But to you, the only problem would be solved... because you only notice, and care about, the color of people's skin.

Like all racists.

This was the first 80% of the post you ignored when you quoted it and said I didn’t answer anything

“Should as yes we should strive for that and take measures to achieve something relative to it. No one is checking the census and saying it has to be 8 out of 10 and exactly reflect stats but you accept getting in that ball park as achieving your goal.

If there aren’t qualified Latinos you want on your team available in the prospect pool you hire someone else and continue looking during the next vacancy. No one needs to be fired to achieve vacancies they happen naturally have you ever had a job why does that need to be explained to you like a toddler?

If it’s high achieving department it’ll have the system in place to train new recruits well, even the ones that speak Spanish. Duh.

If they locals don’t want a policy in their PD that’s what local elections are for. Have you ever left your basement?”

The process is the DEI department helps assess diversity goals and then when vacancies come up help pass along qualified candidates who can help address said goals to whomever is reviewing applicants. If they are deemed qualified by the hiring team after reviewing they hire them. DEI would probably aid in recruiting by working with say local colleges with criminal Justice programs and reach out to the diverse student community about careers in the department. You never had a real job? This is elementary stuff it is not complicated.

You don’t need to fire anyone good at their job because of this wild idea I don’t think you’ve heard of called “retirement”. You are implying job openings only occur after someone gets fired. You might have a brain tumor.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

This was the first 80% of the post you ignored when you quoted it and said I didn’t answer anything

Because they're bullshit.

“Should as yes we should strive for that and take measures to achieve something relative to it. No one is checking the census and saying it has to be 8 out of 10 and exactly reflect stats but you accept getting in that ball park as achieving your goal.

If there aren’t qualified Latinos you want on your team available in the prospect pool you hire someone else and continue looking during the next vacancy. No one needs to be fired to achieve vacancies they happen naturally have you ever had a job why does that need to be explained to you like a toddler?

Keep proving you're living in a fantasy land by ignoring my earlier post I mentioned practically all major metropolitan police forces are already understaffed & overworked and outreach programs have have already been to recruit... anyone. Not just latinos but anyone qualified.

But the fact is cops have been villanized by the media and politicians to the point that POC communities view their own joining police forces as race traitors. Well done. Mission accomplished.

If it’s high achieving department it’ll have the system in place to train new recruits well, even the ones that speak Spanish. Duh.

And what about 'low achieving departments?'

If they locals don’t want a policy in their PD that’s what local elections are for. Have you ever left your basement

And you have no clue how these issues get on election ballots, do you?

The process is the DEI department helps assess diversity goals and then when vacancies come up help pass along qualified candidates who can help address said goals to whomever is reviewing applicants. If they are deemed qualified by the hiring team after reviewing they hire them. DEI would probably aid in recruiting by working with say local colleges with criminal Justice programs to reach out to community about careers in the department. You never had a real job? This is elementary stuff it is not complicated.

Once again... you don't think 'reaching out to the community' hasn't already been attempted? And its not ongoing? Not to fulfill trashy DEI racial quotas but to recruit any qualified people willing to take the job?

Not sure if you've paid attention to the crime rates in Biden's America but there's not many positive headlines related to crime, and there's not many who want to be policemen in warzones.

You don’t need to fire anyone good at their job because of this wild idea I don’t think you’ve heard of called “retirement”.

<Lmaoo>
You think every cop good at their job is near retirement? You know what the retirement policies are for major metropolitan police forces?

Good god, its like you're trying to set a Warroom record for delusional statements in a thread.

You are implying job openings only occur after someone gets fired. You might have a brain tumor.

You just said every cop good at their jobs would retire, rather than be fired.... because of the color of their skin. And you're accusing ME of having a brain tumor?



I haven't even brought up the legal challenges of how DEI is against federal law. You can't use the 'But they'd make my company more money' bullshit reasoning on this one.

You haven't addressed why you're not in favor of trying it on state-level first... and why not California?

You still haven't referenced any politicians, anyone with policing backgrounds, or anyone with a criminal justice degree that'd endorse DEI for police departments.
Hell, go get some noteable leftists here in the Warroom to say 'DEI Racial Quotas for Police Departments is a brilliant idea' because none of them are coming to your aid on this one.

And you still aren't stating what the consequences would be for police departments that would refuse... because they're already far too understaffed to begin with.


If you haven't figured it out yet, this is fun for me.
I am very much enjoying watching you flail around and expose yourself as an idiot... again... and again... and again... again... and again.

This is like beating up an annoying retarded kid at recess.

 

[shockaholic12]

Because they're bullshit.


Keep proving you're living in a fantasy land by ignoring my earlier post I mentioned practically all major metropolitan police forces are already understaffed & overworked and outreach programs have have already been to recruit... anyone. Not just latinos but anyone qualified.

But the fact is cops have been villanized by the media and politicians to the point that POC communities view their own joining police forces as race traitors. Well done. Mission accomplished.


And what about 'low achieving departments?'


And you have no clue how these issues get on election ballots, do you?




Once again... you don't think 'reaching out to the community' hasn't already been attempted? And its not ongoing? Not to fulfill trashy DEI racial quotas but to recruit any qualified people willing to take the job?

Not sure if you've paid attention to the crime rates in Biden's America but there's not many positive headlines related to crime, and there's not many who want to be policemen in warzones.


<Lmaoo>
You think every cop good at their job is near retirement? You know what the retirement policies are for major metropolitan police forces?

Good god, its like you're trying to set a Warroom record for delusional statements in a thread.


You just said every cop good at their jobs would retire, rather than be fired.... because of the color of their skin. And you're accusing ME of having a brain tumor?



I haven't even brought up the legal challenges of how DEI is against federal law. You can't use the 'But they'd make my company more money' bullshit reasoning on this one.

You haven't addressed why you're not in favor of trying it on state-level first... and why not California?

You still haven't referenced any politicians, anyone with policing backgrounds, or anyone with a criminal justice degree that'd endorse DEI for police departments.
Hell, go get some noteable leftists here in the Warroom to say 'DEI Racial Quotas for Police Departments is a brilliant idea' because none of them are coming to your aid on this one.

And you still aren't stating what the consequences would be for police departments that would refuse... because they're already far too understaffed to begin with.


If you haven't figured it out yet, this is fun for me.
I am very much enjoying watching you flail around and expose yourself as an idiot... again... and again... and again... again... and again.

This is like beating up an annoying retarded kid at recess.

So you did remove most of my post before you hit reply or not? You're all over the place lol.

If you chose a hypothetical scenarios were filling vacancies at all is an issue than of course programs that aim at locating diverse candidates and add an extra qualification will not be a focus until you solve the root problem of no pool of prospects first. No shit captain obvious, that doesn't make diverse hiring a bad thing it makes it a difficult to accomplish in specific situations thing. You're not making an argument against DEI you're describing a branch of work that is experiencing recruitment issues in some places and some not ya dummy. None of this issue has any connection to DEI or is a negative reflection of it.

Do police chiefs count as having police backgrounds and justice degrees? Holy fuck you suck at this it took me 10 seconds to find the cops with most experience who enthuniscally support it.

“My vision for the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) is to achieve excellence in all aspects of our agency, and that includes affording our members opportunity, support and development. The hiring of the new Chief Equity Officer is a promise to our members and to our community to do just that, transfer excellence in our daily efforts. As we continue to make strides in equity and inclusion in our department, I am excited to work alongside Pamela Smith in this leadership role, as she will serve as our new Chief Equity Officer,” said Chief Robert J. Contee, III. “Pamela has worked closely with MPD for over two decades, and I am looking forward to our continued teamwork in making MPD a department that leads the nation in diversity, equity, and inclusion.

"The University of Virginia Police Department has hired its first-ever diversity, equity and inclusion manager, reflecting its commitment to peace and justice.

“One way to really transform the way we do business is to be intentional in the way we recruit people and how we develop policies and how we engage the community,” Associate Vice President for Safety and Security and Chief of Police Tim Longo said. “I thought one really effective way to do that was to create such a position within my command structure to keep me on track.”

The Detroit Police Department has hired a new diversity, equity and inclusion executive manager, city officials announced Friday.

Mary Engelman, who previously was deputy director and interim director at the Michigan Department of Civil Rights, is "tasked with creating a more inclusive environment, internally and externally, by improving diversity, equity and inclusion from the Office of the Chief to patrol officers through investments in the department, community events and more," police said in a statement.

Police Chief James White called Engelman's selection "a game-changer for our community"



If you're familiar with what it's like to pick fights with disabled children I'm guessing you were the biggest pussy in high school who could only lash out at the weakest god dude I don't think that "burn" came across the way you thought it was going to lmao. "wait till timmy is out of special ed, I'll show him who is tough." this you bro?

 

[haj02]

the best person for the job is the one the brings in the most profit to my company, not has the most experience. If I a diverse hire helps open new markets that's the best person for my company.

Unless it's a PR job, the main likelihood of someone opening new markets will be more based on them contacts in a particular market which often is down to your networking skills not your skin colour, sexuality, disability or gender. It's such a tiny use case that it's barely worth mentioning. Don't get me wrong if I had a multinational business and was expanding into Saudi Arabia then yeah, a Saudi hire would probably be great to help penetrate that market. By the same token, an Australian that had spent 20 years doing business in Saudi would also have a similar effect.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Unless it's a PR job, the main likelihood of someone opening new markets will be more based on them contacts in a particular market which often is down to your networking skills not your skin colour, sexuality, disability or gender. It's such a tiny use case that it's barely worth mentioning. Don't get me wrong if I had a multinational business and was expanding into Saudi Arabia then yeah, a Saudi hire would probably be great to help penetrate that market. By the same token, an Australian that had spent 20 years doing business in Saudi would also have a similar effect.

How dare you bring common sense into a thread about shouting slogans?

 

[BIKES!]

I appreciate you answering the questions.

1. So DEI is about hiring people from different schools, not about race, gender or sexual orientation? DEI has nothing to do with immutable characteristics at all? I don't recall proponents of DEI ever mentioning different schools as a reason for the movement but I do recall them talking about immutable characteristics quite a bit.

2. Your example is that the customer is looking to shop at a business that doesn't just hire people from Harvard, but hires from all the top schools. How would a customer obtain the information about the diversity of schools the employees at each company has? Also do you think it's realistic for a person to pour through the backgrounds of the employees at a handful of companies in order to find the company that has the most diverse educational background? Sounds like a lot of work to go shop somewhere.

3. What are the diverse forklift drivers diverse from exactly? Are we still talking about educational backgrounds or are they diverse due to immutable characteristics?

4. What makes you think that a large group of employees would all bring the exact perspective? What is it about them that makes them all think alike? Are we still talking about educational backgrounds or are we talking about them thinking alike because they're all the same race, gender or sexual orientation?

You are responding to one of the most hilariously inept and nonsensical posts ever written by a self righteous narcissist.

Implying that a candidate from one Ivy League is different from another or even implying that two people from the same 4 year university would be thought-clones is fucking hilarious.

DEI has nothing to do with diversity of thought or bringing untapped value to companies or consumers. At the fundamental core, diversity of thought has far more to do with the means and geography of your upbringing rather than skin color, gender or sexual orientation.

When the narcissist brings up “people like to buy from people that share their values,” that is woke lexicon for follow this leftist cult of nonsense or else.

Part of the reason western civilization thrives is because un-racist folx buy products and services based on… wait for it… wait for it… the fucking quality of the product or services themselves.

You see, this radical leftist religion is trying to create an issue where there isn’t one in order to grant C suite jobs to grifters, perpetuate divide and ensure perpetual victimhood and votes.

 

[shockaholic12]

Unless it's a PR job, the main likelihood of someone opening new markets will be more based on them contacts in a particular market which often is down to your networking skills not your skin colour, sexuality, disability or gender. It's such a tiny use case that it's barely worth mentioning. Don't get me wrong if I had a multinational business and was expanding into Saudi Arabia then yeah, a Saudi hire would probably be great to help penetrate that market. By the same token, an Australian that had spent 20 years doing business in Saudi would also have a similar effect.

Not really.

"According to research conducted by the Harvard Business Review, teams and companies that are diverse in terms of composition are 70% more likely to capture a new market than firms that are not diverse." this is not just because they are bringing in sales contacts from previous gigs.

"A team with a member who shares a client’s ethnicity is 152% likelier than another team to understand that client." This does not support an Australian who spent some years doing business with another race possessing the same benefits as hiring someone who actually is part of that community. Sure you'll still gain benefits from the Australian providing his diversity coming from his background doing business in Saudi Arabia for decades, that is diversity and it counts, but it's not the same benefits as hiring someone of the Arab or other ethnic backgrounds

 

[shockaholic12]

You are responding to one of the most hilariously inept and nonsensical posts ever written by a self righteous narcissist.

Implying that a candidate from one Ivy League is different from another or even implying that two people from the same 4 year university would be thought-clones is fucking hilarious.

DEI has nothing to do with diversity of thought or bringing untapped value to companies or consumers. At the fundamental core, diversity of thought has far more to do with the means and geography of your upbringing rather than skin color, gender or sexual orientation.

When the narcissist brings up “people like to buy from people that share their values,” that is woke lexicon for follow this leftist cult of nonsense or else.

Part of the reason western civilization thrives is because un-racist folx buy products and services based on… wait for it… wait for it… the fucking quality of the product or services themselves.

You see, this radical leftist religion is trying to create an issue where there isn’t one in order to grant C suite jobs to grifters, perpetuate divide and ensure perpetual victimhood and votes.

You hire for diversity of experience, race, gender, etc. You don't have to pick just one kind of diversity dummy it all helps.

Is Havard business school the narcissist in the thread with us lol? What about facebook? How is a school and company a narcissist lol? Harvard did 40 cases studies that show companies that are diverse in terms of composition are 70% more likely to capture a new market than firms that are not diverse.

Facebook found that online campaigns with more diverse representation had higher ad recall in 90% of the simulations they ran.

Black correspondents said they were more likely to purchase from (69%), proactively seek out (69%), interact with (67%) return to (66%), and recommend (65%) brands whose advertising positively reflects their race/ethnicity (Think With Google, 2019).

So it' their word against the dude on the karate forum mumbling about "wah! woke lexicon nonsense" I'm sure that will convince big business to turn down making money.

A lot of you are too emotional for business screeching and crying about leftist religion while everyone is just laughing to the bank.

 

[shockaholic12]

How dare you bring common sense into a thread about shouting slogans?

Remember when you implied "the church of netflix" didn't know what they were talking about when it came to business sense and you guys had the common sense.

I mean who would listen to the dummies from the company that has garnered 250 million+ subscribers across the globe and growing. $9 billion in revenue last year and increasing. What do those dummies know about DEI helping capture new markets? 250 million customers? This is clearly is just shouting slogans and not working, right?

I'm sure you have a long list of media companies that spurn DEI outperforming them and gaining more subscribers. I'll wait till you show us who these smart companies are that keep beating these dummies and their slogans.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Remember when you implied "the church of netflix" didn't know what they were talking about when it came to business sense and you guys had the common sense.

I mean who would listen to the dummies from the company that has garnered 250 million+ subscribers across the globe and growing. $9 billion in revenue last year and increasing. What do those dummies know about DEI helping capture new markets? 250 million customers? This is clearly is just shouting slogans and not working, right?

I'm sure you have a long list of media companies that spurn DEI outperforming them and gaining more subscribers. I'll wait till you show us who these smart companies are that keep beating these dummies and their slogans.

not going to read this drivel.