distance vs sprint?

I'm summarizing some stuff from a book called "Fit To Fight"

Combat sports and most sports except distance running and marathon type events are anaerobic in nature. Anaerobic of course means the body is producing energy in the absence of oxygen, which means you will be able to keep a high output of power over a long period of time with little rest. Oxygen is not your primary fuel in peroids of high exertion, such as throwing combinations and fast paced grappling.

You cannot train aerobically and expect to improve your anaerboic conditioing, but conversely, if you improve your anaerobic capacity your aerobic capacity will also greatly improve.

Running miles and miles daily is training the wrong energy system, and can even be counter productive because it produces the stress hormone cortisol which is catabolic.

This method of jogging mile after mile is ineffective and completely outdated. Here is a relevent story;
The author was a high school wrestling coach who tried in vain to explain this to the father of 2 wrestlers he was coaching. The man was talking to was set in is old school ways and refused to listen (like some of you). During the summer the father had his kids run 3 miles every morning of everyday. When they returned in September to practice, he hwas shocked to find the jogs had no positive effect on the kid's performance. He told the author, "They were dying on the mat today, I can't believe it after the running they did all summer." "My point proven" says the author.

As I have said anaerobic training will increase your aerobic capacity, and the opposite is not true. Combat sports and most sports require short burts of extreme speed and power followed by a lower-intensity activity or brief rest period, so we know strict aerobic training is useless for combat atheltes and instead you should be focusing on anaerobic work, or energy system work. One of the best ways to improve your endurance is simply to fight or wrestle (sparring), although that might seem kind of obvious.

So, do sprints, don't waste your time jogging. If you still want to distance run then sprint in bursts then do brief periods of jogging (like sprint the long side of a track, and jog the curve)

Steakeater, wrestling is an anaerobic activity. Also, just look at the physique of a sprinter compared to a marathon runner. Would you rather have a skinny body lacking in muscle mass (which is a product of so much aerobic training) or the body of a sprinter? It is pretty obvious which one looks faster and stronger. Sprinters have stronger, and more lean muscle mass.

If people still don't agree, that is fine you can do that. In the end you will only be limiting yourself and it makes no difference to me.
 
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Steakeater, wrestling is an anaerobic activity. Also, just look at the physique of a sprinter compared to a marathon runner. Would you rather have a skinny body lacking in muscle mass (which is a product of so much aerobic training) or the body of a sprinter? It is pretty obvious which one looks faster and stronger (plus it actually is).

If people still don't agree, that is fine you can do that. In the end you will only be limiting yourself but it makes no difference to me.

Ferrugia is talking about simple recreational jogging, which really wouldnt serve any purpose if you are at 100 bpm.

and you do know that top sprinters spend most their work doing aerobic training?

The difference in physique is that marathon runners purposely stay away from resistance training to carry less weight.

and unless you are fighting/wrestling is completely anaerobic, we'd be dead from a heart attack
 
But things like sparring/pad work work the aerobic system though? Wouldn't it still be more anaerobic unless you actually control your HR like you would for LSD? (this is for discussion purposes - i want to learn more!)

They are mainly aerobic activities with bursts of anaerobic work. Your body doesn`t just switch from one to the other. The aerobic system will be working full tilt all the time. However when you need more power than you can develop aerobically you use the anaerobic system briefly before you either step back to take a breather or see a drop in your power output.

That`s also the reason why noobs see an increase in aerobic performance with anaerobic training. It`s because to start using the anaerobic system you also have to be using the aerobic one at full power. Eventually tho short intense conditioning drills won`t give you enough volume to keep improving aerobically. Also, your performance will drop as you develop more glycotic muscle tissue which is inefficient at using oxygen - therefore isn`t good at either workig aerobically or at recovery.
 
Steakeater, he is talking about long distance runs in preperation for a fight, nothing in that book is about recreation. Sprinters sprint mostly in training, believe it or not. Lots of rope too.

I'm not going to argue with you, really. Its all good. I'm outta here, take note of that post at the top.
 
I'm summarizing some stuff from a book called "Fit To Fight"

Combat sports and most sports except distance running and marathon type events are anaerobic in nature. Anaerobic of course means the body is producing energy in the absence of oxygen, which means you will be able to keep a high output of power over a long period of time with little rest. Oxygen is not your primary fuel in peroids of high exertion, such as throwing combinations and fast paced grappling.

Yes, oxygen is overrated. How abut you try to fight without breathing and tell us how it goes?



You cannot train aerobically and expect to improve your anaerboic conditioing, but conversely, if you improve your anaerobic capacity your aerobic capacity will also greatly improve.

That`s actually the other way round. The anaerobic energy system has little room for improvement and DOES not fork by itself. It "sits" on top of the aerobic system, so haing a higher aerobic system will automatically give you a higher anaerobic system.


Running miles and miles daily is training the wrong energy system, and can even be counter productive because it produces the stress hormone cortisol which is catabolic.

Exercise=stress=cortisol release.


This method of jogging mile after mile is ineffective and completely outdated. Here is a relevent story;
The author was a high school wrestling coach who tried in vain to explain this to the father of 2 wrestlers he was coaching. The man was talking to was set in is old school ways and refused to listen (like some of you). During the summer the father had his kids run 3 miles every morning of everyday. When they returned in September to practice, he hwas shocked to find the jogs had no positive effect on the kid's performance. He told the author, "They were dying on the mat today, I can't believe it after the running they did all summer." "My point proven" says the author.

Running=/=wrestling just like any type of conditining =/= wrestling. Get it in your head that conditioning is NOT A REPLACEMENT for yor sports specific training, it`s a SUPPLEMENT. Or do you really expect to last in a fight because you did tons of whatever circuits every day but didn`t spar, didn`t roll, didn`t hit the pads etc...?

Combat sports and most sports require short burts of extreme speed and power followed by a lower-intensity activity or brief rest period, so we know strict aerobic training is useless for combat atheltes and instead you should be focusing on anaerobic work, or energy system work.

How does recovery occur between bursts of anaerobic activity? Or does that no matter because it doesn`t look sexy enough?

One of the best ways to improve your endurance is simply to fight or wrestle (sparring), although that might seem kind of obvious.

Something I agree with.

So, do sprints, don't waste your time jogging. If you still want to distance run then sprint in bursts then do brief periods of jogging (like sprint the long side of a track, and jog the curve)

That`s just wrong. You should consider you already do a ton of high intensity work on the mats. There`s no need to pile up more of it on the track. If anything what you are missing is the low-end aerobic work, which is why you should spend more time conditioning the aerobic system.

Also, just look at the physique of a sprinter compared to a marathon runner. Would you rather have a skinny body lacking in muscle mass (which is a product of so much aerobic training) or the body of a sprinter? It is pretty obvious which one looks faster and stronger. Sprinters have stronger, and more lean muscle mass.

Ok I`m wasting my time, you`re a total moron!


Steakeater, he is talking about long distance runs in preperation for a fight, nothing in that book is about recreation. Sprinters sprint mostly in training, believe it or not. Lots of rope too.

I'm not going to argue with you, really. Its all good. I'm outta here, take note of that post at the top.

A spint lasts what, 10-40 seconds? A fight is 3x5mins? Look at the training of athletes competing on 5min long events. They do a metric ton of aerobic training.
 
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Hmmm, I wonder which body type would be better for combat sports...

You expect me to believe its the other way around (regarding aerobic and anaerobic) just because you say so? Hmm lets see, trust the knowledge (or lack there of) of some random wanna be on the internet, or the knowledge of a well known strength and conditioning coach with multiple books and tons of clients...wow this is a hard one. Go ahead and insult me more, that is all you have because you can train how you want and Ill train how I want.
 
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Sprinter
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Marathon runner
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Hmmm, I wonder which body type would be better for combat sports...

You expect me to believe its the other way around (regarding aerobic and anaerobic) just because you say so? Hmm lets see, trust the knowledge (or lack there of) of some random wanna be on the internet, or the knowledge of a well known strength and conditioning coach with multiple books and tons of clients...wow this is a hard one. Go ahead and insult me more, that is all you have because you can train how you want and Ill train how I want.

So you assume that by doing a few 4mile runs a week I`m going to end up looking like someone who runs up to 100miles a week? And does not lift any weights on top of that? As is genetically predisposed to be an endurance guy? REALLY?

Or you mean to say that doing intervals is going to turn me into a sprinter? Because in your opinion sprinters do lactic intervals? Or because a fight is at all comparable to a 10secs burst of high intensity work that you do NOT need to quickly recover from?

Or you mean to tell me that I either train like a sprinter or a marathon runner and I can`t do anything in between?

Yes, you get your knowledge from the wrong places.


Hmmm, I wonder which body type would be better for combat sports...

Yes, because we all know that physique is what counts in MMA.
 
Skizzit you got owned in every way imaginable except paolo sleeping with your sister.
 
Yes, I was completely owned because some random dude on the internet has much more knowledge than a strength and conditioning coach with his own facility and books. That is a wrong place to get your knowledge on this subject apparently.
For the record the coaches at my boxing gym have us do competitive sprints or suicides about three days, and running 3 miles the other two days, often times doing Indian runs or similar things to increase the pace. I guess they don't know shit either.

Perhaps saying to neglect aerobic training is going overboard. I guess, as with anything, you need to look at the whole. I still believe that anaerobic training should be emphasized over aerobic training, but I'm sure it has its place as well. Come in and shit on me people, I won't get worked up and resort to name calling and petty insults like some of you. That is coming from someone who is probably one of the youngest people in this thread, so bomb away.
 
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Yes, I was completely owned because some random dude on the internet has much more knowledge than a strength and conditioning coach with his own facility and books. That is a wrong place to get your knowledge on this subject apparently.
For the record the coaches at my boxing gym have us do competitive sprints or suicides about three days, and running 3 miles the other two days, often times doing Indian runs or similar things to increase the pace. I guess they don't know shit either.

Perhaps saying to neglect aerobic training is going overboard. I guess, as with anything, you need to look at the whole. I still believe that anaerobic training should be emphasized over aerobic training, but I'm sure it has its place as well. Come in and shit on me people, I won't get worked up and resort to name calling and petty insults like some of you. That is coming from someone who is probably one of the youngest people in this thread, so bomb away.

Oh come on, your just a ***. I'm 16, so maybe I'm the youngest guy here. Well, I think you should read what EZA posted up, he's a well known strength and conditioning coach who trains pro MMA fighters. If anything, you should never train like a sprinter, they would gas like a little bitch in the ring.
 
Yes, I was completely owned because some random dude on the internet has much more knowledge than a strength and conditioning coach with his own facility and books. That is a wrong place to get your knowledge on this subject apparently.
For the record the coaches at my boxing gym have us do competitive sprints or suicides about three days, and running 3 miles the other two days, often times doing Indian runs or similar things to increase the pace. I guess they don't know shit either.

Perhaps saying to neglect aerobic training is going overboard. I guess, as with anything, you need to look at the whole. I still believe that anaerobic training should be emphasized over aerobic training, but I'm sure it has its place as well. Come in and shit on me people, I won't get worked up and resort to name calling and petty insults like some of you. That is coming from someone who is probably one of the youngest people in this thread, so bomb away.

Ok,I probably shouldn`t have called you a moron but that thing about distance runner vs sprinter physiques really got to me.

Anyways, first you need to understand how energy production works. When your body produces energy anaerobically the aerobic system doesn`t suddenly just switch off. Most of the energy will still be produced aerobically but with more and more anaerobically produced energy piled on top of it.

However anaerobic energy production causes an oxygen debt, which is the reason why it doesn`t last very long. And this debt has to be repaid aerobically. If you don`t allow for this recovery process your performance simpy drops to a sustainable - aerobic - level. So as you can see having a good aerobic base DOES help you achieve higher anaerobic energy output.

Also, being able to produce more energy aerobically allows you to delay the need to produce it anaerobically. So while your opponent needs to step back and take a breather after a combination you`re still throwing because you`re still working aerobically - look at Nick Diaz` fights to see how this works.

Lastly, training wise, just because your training is hard it does not mean it`s anaerobic. There are alot of very hard training methods that specifically target the aerobic system. As a rule of thumb you can distinguish between them because while the aerobic ones may feel like torture you are still able to do them for extended periods of time. With the anaerobic ones on the other hand your body will simply stop responding within a few minutes.
 
Yes, I was completely owned because some random dude on the internet has much more knowledge than a strength and conditioning coach with his own facility and books. That is a wrong place to get your knowledge on this subject apparently.
For the record the coaches at my boxing gym have us do competitive sprints or suicides about three days, and running 3 miles the other two days, often times doing Indian runs or similar things to increase the pace. I guess they don't know shit either.

Perhaps saying to neglect aerobic training is going overboard. I guess, as with anything, you need to look at the whole. I still believe that anaerobic training should be emphasized over aerobic training, but I'm sure it has its place as well. Come in and shit on me people, I won't get worked up and resort to name calling and petty insults like some of you. That is coming from someone who is probably one of the youngest people in this thread, so bomb away.

Posting the sprinter vs. marathon runner pics should automatically disqualify you from any rational conversation. If you want to start throwing out stupid examples and looking at professionals, do you agree that the Diaz bros are regarded as having some of the best cardio in the game?

As for your boxing training, do you think 3 miles is anaerobic? Boxing is actually very aerobic in nature as well as many fights stay at a constant steady pace. You'll notice a lot of MMA fights have been like this lately. If you watched Strikeforce last night, all 3 fights went 5 rounds to a decision. Very aerobic in nature with anaerobic sprints in there.

No one is saying to neglect anaerobic conditioning. Both aerobic and anaerobic are important. You were the one saying otherwise.
 
Steakeater, he is talking about long distance runs in preperation for a fight, nothing in that book is about recreation. Sprinters sprint mostly in training, believe it or not. Lots of rope too.

I'm not going to argue with you, really. Its all good. I'm outta here, take note of that post at the top.

Intervals does not always have to be anaerobic. Sprinters run intervals at a milder aerobic pace because that helps sustain their anaerobic threshold.

We all used to think the same thing, HIIT is the best blah blah a few years back too.
 
Sprinter
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Marathon runner
marathoner.jpg


Hmmm, I wonder which body type would be better for combat sports...

You expect me to believe its the other way around (regarding aerobic and anaerobic) just because you say so? Hmm lets see, trust the knowledge (or lack there of) of some random wanna be on the internet, or the knowledge of a well known strength and conditioning coach with multiple books and tons of clients...wow this is a hard one.

Hmmm, I wonder which body type would be better for combat sports...

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and Ferrugia is known for this strength training, not conditioning.

There are plenty of better known conditioning coaches that advocate distance training over sprints
 
Steakeater- interesting article.

Most of the stuff I've read lately advocates hiit for fat loss, but I recall most of them not talking about sprinting and then stopping but rather sprinting for bursts and then continuing to run at a steady pace. My dad advocates both lsd and hiit.
 
Steakeater- interesting article.

Most of the stuff I've read lately advocates hiit for fat loss, but I recall most of them not talking about sprinting and then stopping but rather sprinting for bursts and then continuing to run at a steady pace. My dad advocates both lsd and hiit.

Minute for minute, HIIT is the best method. But how many minutes, and how often can you even do HIIT? Nowhere near as much as LSD

Volume > every other method therefore. Having an active job where you are just moving around for 8-10 hours a day will do more for fatloss than any formal training.

That being said, I would do both.
 
i do both

2-3 mile runs twice a week
4-5 mile run once a week
sprints twice a week (sometimes only once, depending on how heavy my leg workouts are)
 
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