Director's who lost their touch

[BisexualMMA]

well yeah, if you forgot who wrote Dogma

I wasn't that crazy about Dogma, but either way it definitely wasn't a movie that came from the heart. It was all from the head. It is definitely Smith's better work in that arena, but that isn't saying too much.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I wasn't that crazy about Dogma, but either way it definitely wasn't a movie that came from the heart. It was all from the head. It is definitely Smith's better work in that arena, but that isn't saying too much.

That seemed like it did come from the heart to me and it was after that point were the decline started, either becoming a cliché of himself with Jay and Silent Bob or making bland mainstream films.

 

[FierceRedBelt]

Kevin Smith: Clerks was genius. Everything else is forgettable.

I'd still say Chasing Amy was a worthy compliment. There's nothing else though; even when Clerks 2 could have been a lay up.

 

[Drain Bamage]

That seemed like it did come from the heart to me and it was after that point were the decline started, either becoming a cliché of himself with Jay and Silent Bob or making bland mainstream films.

I thought Red State wasn't bad tbh

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I thought Red State wasn't bad tbh

Havent seen that to be honest or anything he's done in the last decade.

 

[Drain Bamage]

Sad for me to say because he's my favorite director, but Christopher Nolan.

He did nothing but pure gold until the dark Knight rises, which I still think was decent but it marked the first time his quality dropped from his last film. And then dunkirk was just such a disappointment. None of the clever writing I've become accustomed to, but then maybe I'm really only a fan of Jonathan Nolan.

I think his new movie looks pretty interesting. I'm not a big fan of Nolan's style in general but there are some shots in the trailer for Tenet that piqued my interest.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

It does look like a sign of Nolan repeating himself to me though looking very similar to Inception.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Tim Burton, even if Dumbo has been surprising good

Ridley Scott peaked with The Gladiator, then downward slope

I don't even remember what Spielberg did recently

Ready player one, the post.

Most of the old school directors like coppolo and Spielberg don't really have anything to prove at this point. They paid their dues and delivered with some classics that will never fade with time. Guys like jj Abraham's came out in the 90s, is one of the "big" directors of today, but still hasn't made an absolute classic Imo.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Directors not director's.

Most artists do their best work earlier in their careers. Even guys who still make good films like QT, Coens, Spielberg, PTA, Scorcese etc etc undoubtedly have seen a drop off since their prime years.

How many ATG films were made by directors over 60?

That can be said about musicians, athletes, anyone in any field really. In film, your creative juices are at its absolute peak within the first 10-15 or so years I'd take it, and guys like Spielberg made some absolute classics early in his career. It's hard to keep up that level of consistency and mainly, make movies as good or better as those classics. We kinda measure guys like Steve using his own work, so it's almost not even fair. It's like expecting Metallica to replicate master of puppets or Wu tang to do another 36 chambers.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

That can be said about musicians, athletes, anyone in any field really. In film, your creative juices are at its absolute peak within the first 10-15 or so years I'd take it, and guys like Spielberg made some absolute classics early in his career. It's hard to keep up that level of consistency and mainly, make movies as good or better as those classics. We kinda measure guys like Steve using his own work, so it's almost not even fair. It's like expecting Metallica to replicate master of puppets or Wu tang to do another 36 chambers.

Sometimes the peak isn't at the start of someones career but I do kind of think these days we've been sold a bit of a fake versions of artistic cycles. Studios who don't want to take risks tend to stick to known names like Speilberg and Marty for decade after decade but historically the idea a director would rise and fall was much more common. You could argue the same has been true of music, older acts well past their best artistically carry on getting more attention.

 

[zapataxiv]

Did anyone mention Michael Mann? He made some of my favorite movies and his entire career has been pretty lame since the 2010s

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Sometimes the peak isn't at the start of someones career but I do kind of think these days we've been sold a bit of a fake versions of artistic cycles. Studios who don't want to take risks tend to stick to known names like Speilberg and Marty for decade after decade but historically the idea a director would rise and fall was much more common. You could argue the same has been true of music, older acts well past their best artistically carry on getting more attention.

to be fair, steve n marty have made hits in multiple decades....I think every decade from the 70s till now actually. They might not have been as consistent, but they still can make a great one from time to time.

 

[Kuona]

How when he's about to win Best Picture this year?

Every movie he did after pulp fiction was the same, one way or another.

He gets this rep of being edgy and original but I'm not seeing it.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

to be fair, steve n marty have made hits in multiple decades....I think every decade from the 70s till now actually. They might not have been as consistent, but they still can make a great one from time to time.

They've certainly not dropped off in the fashion say Coppola has but honestly Marty's talk about superhero films rings a bit hollow for me as he himself is IMHO a franchise, a known name studios put money behind rather than invest in new talent.

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

William Friedkin
John Landis
Francis Ford Coppolla
Brian De Palma
The Wachowski Brothers

Would be easier for people to name directors who haven't lost their edge. The list is small.

 

[HenryFlower]

I can watch the final scene between DDL and Dano over and over again. It just delivers every time lol.

Yes he does-ahhh...

it’s hard to pick my favorite scene, but it’s a tight race between Daniel’s initial offer to buy Abel’s land at the Sunday dinner table, Eli asking Daniel to bless the well in Eli’s name & Daniel using Eli’s request against him for Mary instead, Daniel’s “I have a competition in me” speech to Henry, Daniel realizing Henry isn’t who he says he is, & Daniel’s repent scene at Eli’s congregation. all are so fucking fantastic i can’t even. not to mention the final sequence you mentioned, but also when there is a gas blowout & the derrick goes up in flames. lawd, i just love TWBB so much.

Ha, seems an odd choice.

I tend to go The Shining or Manhunter when in a similar state.

i’d say those two picks are equally as odd & unique, given the situation ofc, since both are amazing films.

 

[KOQ24]

Coppola's 4 Film run in the 70s might be the greatest of all time and that includes Kubrick.He also wrote Screenplays for Patton and The Great Gatsby that decade

 

[Rozko]

I thought even Clerks 2 was bad

I haven't watched it since release so I may not enjoy it as much now.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

They've certainly not dropped off in the fashion say Coppola has but honestly Marty's talk about superhero films rings a bit hollow for me as he himself is IMHO a franchise, a known name studios put money behind rather than invest in new talent.

That's true, I found it a bit odd he would say something like that, but then again I think he was just getting tired of the year in, year out comic book movie/ TV show craze that's taken over. He's old school and barely relies on any type of special effects to drive his films, so it all must look like kids cartoons to him.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

That's true, I found it a bit odd he would say something like that, but then again I think he was just getting tired of the year in, year out comic book movie/ TV show craze that's taken over. He's old school and barely relies on any type of special effects to drive his films, so it all must look like kids cartoons to him.

His last film cost $160 million with a lot of them being down to CGI de-aging and honestly for me it was all a pretty cynical exercise playing to Goodfellas/Casino's popularity, the same kind of audience triangulation we get for so many blockbuster but aimed at growing Netflix streaming market.

Again I think the weakness is that Hollywood has stopped taking risks of mid budget cinema, the best of this kind of film now is almost entirely made in the arthouse scene and/or outside the US. Its now mostly either old names past their best or incredibly bland unambitious Oscar bait kind of stuff with Hanks or Streep in it.

I don't trust streaming services either, they have IMHO a terrible record for coming up with classic cinema given the vast amounts of money they've been throwing around along with their monopolistic natures.