Did K-1s initial dissolution strike a huge blow to kickboxing?

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As someone who followed K-1 since 2003 and went back and watched all the old Gp's since the beggining. When they basically went on "pause" after Overeem won the GP in 2010, Kickboxing just was never the same for me.


I do watch Glory from time to time, but I have to admit, I really miss the old days. I wonder if anyone else went through that, or how they reacted to K-1 going bankrupt?
 
I'm sure it was like that for most people.

Actually, around that time I wanted to go into kickboxing, but when K1 died I was very confused on how to actually become a pro kickboxer. Actually, since I am not a heavyweight, I was confused on how to do that in general lol. Kickboxing was never that easy to follow to be honest.

K1 was really fun and a good spectacle. But...kickboxing is fine now. I like that there is more focus on different weight classes and a more traditional championship belt system. A big time K1 GP would be nice to have, but the old K1 felt too focused on it. Fighting multiple times in one night is good in anime, but in real life it often means the best guy doesn't win as much which I am not a fan of.
 
I'm sure it was like that for most people.

Actually, around that time I wanted to go into kickboxing, but when K1 died I was very confused on how to actually become a pro kickboxer. Actually, since I am not a heavyweight, I was confused on how to do that in general lol. Kickboxing was never that easy to follow to be honest.

K1 was really fun and a good spectacle. But...kickboxing is fine now. I like that there is more focus on different weight classes and a more traditional championship belt system. A big time K1 GP would be nice to have, but the old K1 felt too focused on it. Fighting multiple times in one night is good in anime, but in real life it often means the best guy doesn't win as much which I am not a fan of.
I ran into Dorian Price like maybe 10 -15 yrs ago at a convention. Remember him? he was a kickboxer trying to get into MMA through The Ultimate Fighter.


I asked him how he was doing. He said he was fighting for It's Showtime! in Netherlands. He said he would really like to go to K-1 but as a WW there's no fights for guys that size (back then)
 
I ran into Dorian Price like maybe 10 -15 yrs ago at a convention. Remember him? he was a kickboxer trying to get into MMA through The Ultimate Fighter.


I asked him how he was doing. He said he was fighting for It's Showtime! in Netherlands. He said he would really like to go to K-1 but as a WW there's no fights for guys that size (back then)
Yeah, I remember him. I think his season was the first TUF I saw (Hughes vs Serra).

Since I was an American teenager I had no idea about Its Showtime! or any of that. Or if I saw those promotions I wasn't sure if they were the "big leagues" or not.

It wasn't that easy to follow kickboxing outside of K1 during the HD Net days or whatever.
 
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I can't speak for the general audience but I can speak for myself.

Literally 1 person I know actually follows kickboxing. I got big into early MMA but soon realized the ground game generally bored me. Got into Pride then kind of shifted over to k1.

K1 had its issues but the two organizations had great skill in making fights feel big. When they ultimately folded, I then had one foot out the door. Then it seemed to be very scattered since then. Glory seems to be holding strong but it seems to be a lot of recycled names at the heavyweights. It's generally not easy to know there's and event on tho and it's not super easy to find.

Ive sort of tried to keep up with it but haven't done a great job.

So ya, for me it probably killed 95% of my watching.
 
I liked it towards the end because I was starting to like “it’s showtime” then the glory shit happened and the sport went to crap imo.

I tried when they came on spike, and I thought they were doing good, but couldn’t keep up that momentum when their biggest stars in saki and spong stopped. Badr came too late.
They went that whole “let’s build americans” and it didn’t work! Nobody cared if they were American or not. That’s why the ratings were initially good in the beginning cause you had those big names.

Glory can pull that old feeling out of me here and there, but not enough for me to care anymore.
 
Yeah I pretty much stopped watching KB, aside from a few Glory events here and there.

TBH K-1 was a dead man walking by the time the 2010 GP rolled around.
I consider 2009 the last "great tournament" as far as the big boys are concerned.
 
It's never been the same for me to be honest. Between K-1 WGP and K-1 MAX it really was the golden era. I still keep up with everything in the Glory era since then but it just doesn't have the same feeling for me that I was getting back then where it really felt so BIG. The fights just seemed a lot more entertaining for some reason as well. Honestly if you quizzed me on the street on who all the Glory champs are right now I'd be drawing a few blanks, even though I watch the events.
 
Glory isn't the premier kickboxing org anymore. One is now besides the heavier weight classes which aren't really worth watching anymore since they separated MW/LHW/HW. K-1 had a lot of talent in heavys because they didn't really have weight classes much like Pride. So the "HW" division seemed much more entertaining back then. Imagine if UFC just combined everyone from MW, LHW, and HW. Those shallow divisions would become much more interesting
 
Glory isn't the premier kickboxing org anymore. One is now besides the heavier weight classes
I see this sort of thing often, but if you check the rankings from BeyondKick or CombatPress, ONE only has top 10 fighters at 71kg and then virtually no presence in any other weight class. I think ONE has just had the most success breaking into the western market, but that's mainly from their Muay Thai fights rather than their Kickboxing
 
To answer the thread's question though -- I was born in 1998 and didn't get into Kickboxing until 2016, so while I never experienced it first hand, I do think the events had a much more grand feeling to them. That being said, that was kinda the nature of combat sports promoting to a degree back then (at least more than now). Boxing, especially HBO Boxing, still had much fancier presentation and high level combat sports had a certain air of prestige in their broadcasts (hell, even Pro Wrestling did). The nature of how media is consumed and perceived by the masses has changed significantly since then, so naturally the promotions themselves have been molded around that. The UFC really helped with creating that imo, even though I think they were just the first company to understand what the blueprint needed to be in the modern era. Big stuff just doesn't feel as big because media consumption is decentralized and heavily fractured, so until that changes, I don't see a single promotion being able to produce that same feeling old school K-1 did. I felt like THE MATCH 2022 card captured that, being the first major cross promoted Kickboxing event in recent memory.
 
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Real kickboxing died when K1 died.

K1 was the greatest organisation in combat sports.

One Fc and Glory are doing good. But k1 was the UFC of kickboxing. Can't compare it.
 
Glory isn't the premier kickboxing org anymore. One is now besides the heavier weight classes which aren't really worth watching anymore since they separated MW/LHW/HW. K-1 had a lot of talent in heavys because they didn't really have weight classes much like Pride. So the "HW" division seemed much more entertaining back then. Imagine if UFC just combined everyone from MW, LHW, and HW. Those shallow divisions would become much more interesting
Depends if you consider Muay Thai to be kickboxing. If so, then yes, ONE is having the most success I'd say.

For proper K1 style kickboxing though, ONE barely features it. They probably care more about grappling lol.
 
Glory isn't the premier kickboxing org anymore. One is now besides the heavier weight classes which aren't really worth watching anymore since they separated MW/LHW/HW. K-1 had a lot of talent in heavys because they didn't really have weight classes much like Pride. So the "HW" division seemed much more entertaining back then. Imagine if UFC just combined everyone from MW, LHW, and HW. Those shallow divisions would become much more interesting
Glory is by far the largest kickboxing organization in the world. I'm telling you as a kickboxing fan since Hug and Cikatic, the 90s, and a fan of the light and heavy divisions. In addition, ONE is even now selling "free" tickets. In a region that is financially far below the level of the Netherlands.

Not that ONE has ever expanded the kickboxing divisions, but now they have also reduced kickboxing. ONE IS now for Muay Thai, which is not a very developed sport outside of Thailand. Like Kickboxing.

It doesn't really matter what Combat Press or Beyond Kick say, because the first lacks kickboxing specialists. And both focus on stand-up fighting in Asia.

Recently, important kickboxers from ONE have fought in GLORY, where they represented almost nothing. ONE was like GLORY's 85 now.

But ONE was strong at 70, they bought practically the entire "lightweight" produced by GLORY. But now it's almost over and Chatri's dream is to promote Thais. The shorter figthers will be divided between Europe and Asia. Kickboxing is not just the light division. Most contact sports fans, with all due respect, would never just follow 55, 61, etc. In all sports, including boxing and MMA.

On kickboxing ONE missed the chance to become No 1. At the time they bought the GLORY lightweights and they had a few other divisions, but not very expanded and not very many. Because there are several elite Thai fighters, they can put on great events. And regionally, there are also top shorter fighters in Japan and China. But I can't see them becoming number 1 in the next few years without rebuilding themselves from the ground up. With fighters from all over the world, and not overrated. And Chatri has no intention of doing that. ONE missed their chance years ago, and now they've fired kickboxers.

I don't know, maybe on short term, ONE could be really strong on kickboxing in terms of light divisions, but I don't see yet the intention of signing non-Asian top talent. And even if they did, they are absent from the heavier divisions.

And Glory is also making a mistake now that they are starting to focus on fewer divisions. But even so, in kickboxing they remain much above ONE and more "international".
 
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I hope people make the distinction between kickboxing and Muay Thai though. ONE has a solid Muay Thai product, and Muay Thai really doesn't have much relevance in the heavy divisions. So it's okay. For example, some countries have only purchased ONE's Muay Thai product. ONE Lumpinee. Because they were interested in stand-up, in addition to broadcasting UFC and PFL. And GLORY Kickboxing.

I strongly disagree with shallow divisions. So yeah kickboxing has decreased in ONE actually. Not that ONE has never been No 1 but now it's even impossible.

Some also think wrongly ONE's MMA has been at least close to Bellator PFL, but no way. The question is they make money with this hybrid product.
 
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One is extremely profitable in Thailand with both Muay-Thai and Kickboxing bouts.

And is aiming to be profitable in Japan. Kickboxing is a dying sport, One and Glory are what is remaining of the fire.

I'm not optimistic, the K1 days are gone and when something is gone, it is gone forever.
 
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