International Did COVID come from a Lab in China? US Energy Dept asserts it was a lab leak [megathread]

[Hadron90]

Facebook: *censors conspiracy virus came from lab*
News: “The virus may have come from a lab.”
Facebook: *uncensors it*

This behavior right here should be illegal. If we had been allowed to discuss this openly then different and perhaps better political and social choices would have been made. Not to mention this was plain closing our minds from a serious possibility just because FB pretended to know everything. The point of conspiracies is that they help us understand things that perhaps the facts and evidence of the day do not properly cover like people religiously insist it does.

Yep. And that has been true for a lot of the different Covid topics. There are numerous PhD scientists who were shut down on social media for presenting opposition research to things like lockdowns and masks. Now, I have no idea if these scientists are right or wrong...but I know that they have a right to make a scientific case in favor of their hypothesis and its only going to lead to bad things if corporations silence them for political reasons.

 

[Natural Order]

The lab-leak hypothesis for COVID-19 is becoming a conspiracy theory

"Though there is no direct evidence for either idea, the natural origins hypothesis has scientific precedence.There is no even indirect scientific evidence that the virus was created in a lab.

If the question is “are both hypotheses possible?” the answer is yes. Both are possible. If the question is “are they equally likely?” the answer is absolutely not. One hypothesis requires a colossal cover-up and the silent, unswerving, leak-proof compliance of a vast network of scientists, civilians, and government officials for over a year. The other requires only for biology to behave as it always has, for a family of viruses that have done this before to do it again. The zoonotic spillover hypothesis is simple and explains everything. It’s scientific malpractice to pretend that one idea is equally as meritorious as the other. The lab-leak hypothesis is a scientific deus ex machina, a narrative shortcut that points a finger at a specific set of bad actors. I would be embarrassed to stand up in front of a room of scientists, lay out both hypotheses, and then pretend that one isn’t clearly, obviously better than the other.

Besides the hazy science, there is an undeniable political aspect to this argument. There’s a choice being made here between two ideas — one that falls neatly within the world of biology, and the other that knots together conspiracy theory, political intrigue, and xenophobia. And since we will never be able to prove the exact moment that SARS-CoV-2 jumped from an animal to a human, this is instead going to devolve into a culture war.

Creating a webbed story of cover-ups and conspiracy allows us to ignore how in many ways all humans caused the COVID-19 catastrophe. What if it wasn’t one bad Chinese government’s fault, but the whole world’s fault for destroying habitats, mining too deeply, and creating the perfect conditions for natural viral spillovers? The lab-leak hypothesis will soon be in league with climate change denialism — a conspiracy that absolves humanity of its mistakes, and lets us live our lives as if nothing had ever happened."

[massive science]

This is such an embarrassing take I don’t know what to say....nobody ever claimed this was MADE in a lab. It was altered and experimented with and accidentally got out. How this is some huge leap of understanding is beyond laughable....these are functions openly discussed and promoted by the very guy headlining the response.

All humans caused this. What an agenda driven piece of trash stance.

 

[S Class]

Nothing to see here ...

China Joe making his masters proud.

 

[Crispy Cream]

China Joe making his masters proud.

Really? You guys could not come up with a better insult? China Joe?

What next, Immoderate Obama, Lazy Bernie, Crazy AOC?

Trump really did brain drain his own party.

 

[scoopj]

This is such an embarrassing take I don’t know what to say....nobody ever claimed this was MADE in a lab. It was altered and experimented with and accidentally got out. How this is some huge leap of understanding is beyond laughable....these are functions openly discussed and promoted by the very guy headlining the response.

All humans caused this. What an agenda driven piece of trash stance.

Sorry to say but this won’t be the last time you have to make that distinction. People are willfully missing it.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

Facebook: *censors conspiracy virus came from lab*
News: “The virus may have come from a lab.”
Facebook: *uncensors it*

This behavior right here should be illegal. If we had been allowed to discuss this openly then different and perhaps better political and social choices would have been made. Not to mention this was plain closing our minds from a serious possibility just because FB pretended to know everything. The point of conspiracies is that they help us understand things that perhaps the facts and evidence of the day do not properly cover like people religiously insist it does.

“Private company, they can choose what they want on their platform”

-democrat bootlickers

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

Yea sadly, I think it's coming

And the millions sitting at home refusing to work are gonna find their jobs gone with the immigrant surge.

This could get ugly

If Trump won the election, And people listened to him about not locking down this all could’ve been avoided.

 

[Hadron90]

This is such an embarrassing take I don’t know what to say....nobody ever claimed this was MADE in a lab. It was altered and experimented with and accidentally got out. How this is some huge leap of understanding is beyond laughable....these are functions openly discussed and promoted by the very guy headlining the response.

All humans caused this. What an agenda driven piece of trash stance.

The article contradicts itself several times. In the first bit, they say "The other requires only for biology to behave as it always has, for a family of viruses that have done this before to do it again." But then at the end they say: "What if it wasn’t one bad Chinese government’s fault, but the whole world’s fault for destroying habitats, mining too deeply, and creating the perfect conditions for natural viral spillovers?"

So its both simultaneously just normal biology that happens all the time and always has...but its also the fault of miners for mining too deep.

 

[SBJJ]

If Trump won the election, And people listened to him about not locking down this all could’ve been avoided.

But at least there are no mean tweets

 

[DavidsGhost]

But at least there are no mean tweets

On this topic, why do you think the MSM is bad?

 

[SBJJ]

On this topic, why do you think the MSM is bad?

Because censoring the truth. And labeling those speaking the truth as CT nuts is despicable and evil.

 

[DavidsGhost]

Because censoring the truth. And labeling those speaking the truth as CT nuts is despicable and evil.

Why doesn’t that evil translate to someone like trump who does the exact same thing?

 

[SBJJ]

Why doesn’t that evil translate to someone like trump who does the exact same thing?

Because Trump never censored anyone. In fact, people voiced their opposition to him and were handsomely rewarded

Are you having a hard time here?

 

[DavidsGhost]

Because Trump never censored anyone. In fact, people voiced their opposition to him and were handsomely rewarded

Are you having a hard time here?

Why is censorship bad?

 

[SBJJ]

Why is censorship bad?

Troll better

Censoring the truth is despicable

 

[DavidsGhost]

Troll better

Censoring the truth is despicable

Ah, there it is. The reason why censorship is bad is because it doesn’t match what is true. Neither does 90 percent of what Trump says in his mean tweets.


Why is not telling the truth important enough in one context to be despicable and evil and in another completely impotent?

 

[method115]

Why is censorship bad?

Because it leads to the truth being censored. For instance this lab leak theory was censored all over the place and now we are finding more and more information that it might be true. It can also lead to people who might be able to provide important information from censoring themselves out of fear of being accused of pushing a CT.

Censorship is like putting people in jail. Sure we get the right person most of the time but no matter what we are putting innocent people in jail. Censorship is the same. We might have good intentions but no matter what we will eventually censor the truth.

 

[SBJJ]

Ah, there it is. The reason why censorship is bad is because it doesn’t match what is true. Neither does 90 percent of what Trump says in his mean tweets.


Why is not telling the truth important enough in one context to be despicable and evil and in another completely impotent?

Hilarious you saying this in a thread where a Trump lie is being proved right

It's as if you live in an alternate universe

 

[Hadron90]

Because it leads to the truth being censored. For instance this lab leak theory was censored all over the place and now we are finding more and more information that it might be true. It can also lead to people who might be able to provide important information from censoring themselves out of fear of being accused of pushing a CT.

Censorship is like putting people in jail. Sure we get the right person most of the time but no matter what we are putting innocent people in jail. Censorship is the same. We might have good intentions but no matter what we will eventually censor the truth.

And this isn't even counting the chinese doctors and scientists that were censored. Li Wenliang, for example, was a doctor in the Wuhan hospital that first reported widely to the Chinese medical community about a new SARS-like virus spreading human-to-human. Chinese police threatened to imprison him if he didn't recant his statements. A few months later, he died of Covid.

How this sort of shit is not an treated as an egregious international scandal is beyond me. We had medical doctors in China who were raising alarm on human-to-human transmission almost two months before WHO officially recognized h2h transmission. If these doctors had been allowed to speak without threat of prison, this entire global pandemic could have been avoided. Now we have millions dead because China jails doctors and scientists who talked about the disease.

 

[DavidsGhost]

Hilarious you saying this in a thread where a Trump lie is being proved right

It's as if you live in an alternate universe

Noice! And that’s it the answer! It’s because your value system is driven by identity politics!

lol great!